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    Link: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/push-to-...713-2pwsj.html

    Push to restore East's juniors

    July 14, 2013

    David Sygall
    Sports reporter

    Roosters favourites Brad Fittler and Bryan Fletcher want to revive a local junior rugby league competition in the eastern suburbs.

    The once-vibrant district competition in Roosters' territory disappeared in the 1980s when clubs folded and others, including Bondi United and Clovelly Crocodiles, joined the South Sydney District Junior Rugby Football League. Demographic changes and, Fletcher said, a lack of will from authorities have left the area without a local competition.

    Fittler, who played 217 matches for the Roosters, and Fletcher, who played 125 before joining Souths, would like to revive defunct clubs, including possibly the Rose Bay Rams and Fletcher's junior club the Paddington Colts. Fletcher said his mates didn't want their children playing in the Souths junior league.

    ''Freddie [Fittler] and I have been talking lately and about getting an Easts comp back up and running,'' he said. ''I think it should happen because they need their own identity, these kids. Freddie's got this grand plan to get under 6s to under 12s playing at four clubs in the area. The kids who are playing for local clubs now are Souths juniors.''

    Contrary to common perceptions, Easts territory has produced many league stars, including Fletcher, Jim Dymock, Luke Ricketson, Kevin Junee, Craig Salvatori, Kevin Hastings, Craig Field, James Tamou, Blake Ayshford and, among other top-liners.

    But the supply has stopped for various reasons, including many local children attending private schools that don't play the game.

    Fletcher also believes high house prices in the eastern suburbs have kept out many families.

    He said when he was growing up around Bondi, it was a much different environment.

    ''It was considered a slum,'' he said. ''Where the old Astra Hotel is [now a popular restaurant], I used to walk to school and I wasn't allowed to walk on that side of the road because there were always needles on the ground.

    ''Bondi was very rundown. As soon as they fixed the sewerage at Bondi, prices went through the roof and families couldn't afford it. It changed very quickly and people moved further south. So South Sydney now has a bigger junior base because there's a lot more families living there.''

    Fletcher said that, even though many children playing league lived in the eastern suburbs, they grew up wanting to play for Souths instead of the Roosters because of playing in the South Sydney junior competition.



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  • #2
    Pretty sure Peter Tunks went to Marcellin college which is Roosters territory in my eyes.I also count Ryan Cross and Craig Wing as juniors they played jumiors for Coogee how the hell is South Shit Me territory they also went to school in the eastern suburbs.

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    • #3
      yeah it think it's about time we got some of it back.
      how can we have a juniors area the size of a couple of suburbs when teams like the broncos have an entire city?

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      • #4
        No mention of the stolen area in that article ?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kegs1 View Post
          yeah it think it's about time we got some of it back.
          how can we have a juniors area the size of a couple of suburbs when teams like the broncos have an entire city?
          And then there's St George Illawarra: take Brighton Le Sands and radiate outwards, virtually all the way to the coastal Victorian border. But don't include west of sydney to Canberra and beyond - those 1000's of square kilometeres are Raider's heartland. Of course we shouldn't complain, I mean consider poor Newcastle: a small wealthy, upperclass city with virtually no league players, and a piddly junior territory from which to develop talent, spreading west and north virtually untouched for the rest of the state.

          It beggars belief, the way others perceive the Roosters.

          I remember some clown somewhere crapping-on about Cordner being pinched from under Newcastle's nose. Old Bar is like a 2 hour drive from Newcastle - laying claim to territory that distance would be akin to the Roosters claiming Canberra City.
          Making Steve Naughton look like Vince Mellars...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stsae View Post
            Link: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/push-to-...713-2pwsj.html

            Push to restore East's juniors

            July 14, 2013

            David Sygall
            Sports reporter

            Roosters favourites Brad Fittler and Bryan Fletcher want to revive a local junior rugby league competition in the eastern suburbs.

            The once-vibrant district competition in Roosters' territory disappeared in the 1980s when clubs folded and others, including Bondi United and Clovelly Crocodiles, joined the South Sydney District Junior Rugby Football League. Demographic changes and, Fletcher said, a lack of will from authorities have left the area without a local competition.

            Fittler, who played 217 matches for the Roosters, and Fletcher, who played 125 before joining Souths, would like to revive defunct clubs, including possibly the Rose Bay Rams and Fletcher's junior club the Paddington Colts. Fletcher said his mates didn't want their children playing in the Souths junior league.

            ''Freddie [Fittler] and I have been talking lately and about getting an Easts comp back up and running,'' he said. ''I think it should happen because they need their own identity, these kids. Freddie's got this grand plan to get under 6s to under 12s playing at four clubs in the area. The kids who are playing for local clubs now are Souths juniors.''

            Contrary to common perceptions, Easts territory has produced many league stars, including Fletcher, Jim Dymock, Luke Ricketson, Kevin Junee, Craig Salvatori, Kevin Hastings, Craig Field, James Tamou, Blake Ayshford and, among other top-liners.

            But the supply has stopped for various reasons, including many local children attending private schools that don't play the game.

            Fletcher also believes high house prices in the eastern suburbs have kept out many families.

            He said when he was growing up around Bondi, it was a much different environment.

            ''It was considered a slum,'' he said. ''Where the old Astra Hotel is [now a popular restaurant], I used to walk to school and I wasn't allowed to walk on that side of the road because there were always needles on the ground.

            ''Bondi was very rundown. As soon as they fixed the sewerage at Bondi, prices went through the roof and families couldn't afford it. It changed very quickly and people moved further south. So South Sydney now has a bigger junior base because there's a lot more families living there.''

            Fletcher said that, even though many children playing league lived in the eastern suburbs, they grew up wanting to play for Souths instead of the Roosters because of playing in the South Sydney junior competition.

            House prices and private schools...

            FWIW I grew up in Paddington and attended a private school. On weekends I'd play for my private school then run off to play for Clovelly. Not sure how it is but my mates from Clovelly mostly felt an association with Easts.

            My parents were solid middle class so could afford a newly renovated Paddington Terrace (on Moore Park Rd.) After footy I'd often bus it to my gran's little water front flat in Elizabeth Bay where much of my childhood was spent. (Parents often worked late.)

            Compared to most of my far more wealthy friends with 5+ bedroom houses (all east of Edgecliff) this was relative poverty. Can't say I'll be affording my kids the same luxuries that I had, let alone dreaming of the luxuries my mates had. I moved away from Sydney for more pay and lower house prices...

            If anybody could find me a way I'd be back to east Sydney overnight.

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            • #7
              Clovelly, Paddo, St Charles and Bondi Utd did not join Souths juniors.
              What happened is they play in the Souths Juniors competition and pay a pretty price for it
              They are very much Easts juniors still and passionate about it and enjoy good support from the senior club.

              Yes it would be great to have an Easts only comp, but it aint going to happen and that story merely the ravings of 2 lunatics (in the nicest possible way)
              The Internet is a place for posting silly things
              Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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              • #8
                Great article, I grew up around randwick & coogee some but not all my mates were souffs supporters but most of it was friendly banter & easts were not to crash hot in the 80's. I really noticed the heat between the clubs when they come back in 2002 & winning the comp did'nt help. Ironically now I live in Mascot so I feel the heat all the time Ha Ha.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kingbilly View Post
                  Clovelly, Paddo, St Charles and Bondi Utd did not join Souths juniors.
                  What happened is they play in the Souths Juniors competition and pay a pretty price for it
                  They are very much Easts juniors still and passionate about it and enjoy good support from the senior club.

                  Yes it would be great to have an Easts only comp, but it aint going to happen and that story merely the ravings of 2 lunatics (in the nicest possible way)
                  I played for The Rams among other old Easts junior clubs mate. I'd love for someone to revive a few of the old clubs, just for the kids in the Vaucluse/Rose Bay/Double Pay areas. I know it's a wesleypipes dream.

                  They are both loco but ya gotta love their support of our club in the media.

                  Paddo Colts or The Colts as they became are the only ones who joined Souffs Juniors from memory mate.

                  You guys do a great job keeping the dream of us old Bondi Boys alive KB.



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kingbilly View Post
                    Clovelly, Paddo, St Charles and Bondi Utd did not join Souths juniors.
                    What happened is they play in the Souths Juniors competition and pay a pretty price for it
                    They are very much Easts juniors still and passionate about it and enjoy good support from the senior club.

                    Yes it would be great to have an Easts only comp, but it aint going to happen and that story merely the ravings of 2 lunatics (in the nicest possible way)
                    King Billy's comments are as my understanding of junior football in the eastern suburbs isvery much on the money. Interestingly when my kids were playing for Clovelly the crocs at that time were one of the fastest growing clubs in the state under the committee there at the time led by Syd Eckstein.

                    I have a firm belief that the Easts junior base can be a much more substantial base than it currently is and through investment by the Senior club into its development with minor structural changes and it is not all about cash i believe this can be achieved.

                    The other element that's needs some debunking is this notion of the myth of the South sydney junior base which has been perpetuated for years. When you take out the four Easts clubs, the junior Newtown Jets and Marickville RSL (Newtown historic juniors) and the geographic eastern suburbs teams ie the Coogee Dolphins, the Maroubra Lions , Coogee Randwick, South Eastern, Navy based in Woolloomooloo and Moore Park you are left with 10 clubs with only six participating across the majority of age groups. Their participation rates are higher though Clovelly and Bondi united are up there with the best of them.

                    Having said all of the above the development of the junior game in the eastern suburbs - south sydney - newtown junior bases can only operate in a meaningful way as a combined competition at certain stages of the competition. The need for matched competition using the system of divisions will keep the maximum number of kids playing and this is what we are largely talking about is critical to development of the game as a whole. Which is at the end of the day the overarching goal for everyone in the game.

                    Rugby league is full of mythology which forms is part of its history and is an essential part of the make up of the game however for those who have to operate within the development of the game the hard wiring of the framework that the game operates in needs to be part of the growing of the game.

                    The problem for the mainstream commentators there is no separation of the two and myth, hearsay and general opinions becomes the facts
                    Last edited by Frozen chook; 07-14-2013, 12:36 PM.

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                    • #11
                      I loved my junior footy playing for the crocs through the 80's. Bondi United & Paddo colts were always tough. Marcellin College for the few years I played against them were poor. I remember playing St Charles and Woolloomooloo Warriors. I loved training at burrows park and remember occasionally all the kids jumping in the back of our trainers ute and getting dropped off at various locations, hardly allowed to do that these days. Remember Steve Yeats coaching me when I was very young, and playing with heaps of school mates on the weekends was great fun. Coming home from the game always used to grab pies grin the shop on Arden st across from Cloey school.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Easts75 View Post
                        I loved my junior footy playing for the crocs through the 80's. Bondi United & Paddo colts were always tough. Marcellin College for the few years I played against them were poor. I remember playing St Charles and Woolloomooloo Warriors. I loved training at burrows park and remember occasionally all the kids jumping in the back of our trainers ute and getting dropped off at various locations, hardly allowed to do that these days. Remember Steve Yeats coaching me when I was very young, and playing with heaps of school mates on the weekends was great fun. Coming home from the game always used to grab pies grin the shop on Arden st across from Cloey school.
                        Sadly White's - Pies and cakes are also a thing of the past.
                        It is now some fancy Zumbo thingy...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pass the Ball View Post
                          Sadly White's - Pies and cakes are also a thing of the past.
                          It is now some fancy Zumbo thingy...
                          Yeh, Adriano Zumbo (master pastry chef) has opened up there.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stsae View Post
                            I played for The Rams among other old Easts junior clubs mate. I'd love for someone to revive a few of the old clubs, just for the kids in the Vaucluse/Rose Bay/Double Pay areas. I know it's a wesleypipes dream.

                            They are both loco but ya gotta love their support of our club in the media.

                            Paddo Colts or The Colts as they became are the only ones who joined Souffs Juniors from memory mate.

                            You guys do a great job keeping the dream of us old Bondi Boys alive KB.

                            Sounds good, whats your and KB's vintage old fella?

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                            • #15
                              There are some great names mentioned here that probably don't get the credit they deserve in Eastern Suburbs juniors.
                              Syd Eckstein is a legend and did an absolutely wonderful job getting Clovelly to its great heights. In the early to mid 2000s the crocs were one of the fastest growing sporting clubs in the country, they are still going strong. Steve Yeates is still involved and doing a great job with the u12s.
                              There are some great people running Bondi Utd, St Charles and Paddo. They are all striving for the best for the Roosters juniors.
                              While it would be great to have our own comp the priority is getting kids playing and playing at an appropriate level.

                              Turk I am not a sydney lad, but I get involved everynow and then helping at Clovelly.
                              Our friend backwards, well his vintage is extremely unique and furry
                              The Internet is a place for posting silly things
                              Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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