Interesting stat for the idiotic transit lounge argument

[stsae]

Mate I hear that 'poach' business more from our supporters than anyone else. To me getting annoyed by that is just taking tabloid bait. Its just one more cliche in my books.

Who???

I've never heard our fans say we are "poachers"???

What time is it there MrWong???

You dead set got the Vaporiser too hot or something???

The cliches or perceptions are funny.

It's what makes us hated.

And that's good.

Too much love makes you soft.

It's all about being hard, if you're a Coqq.

[tri-hard]

Haha, the argument now will be that we buy them at 17/18 and then they debut for us.

And then fill there impressionable young minds and bodies with growth hormones and peptides.

[Guest]

Perceptions.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

These perceptions go back from the 70s-80s.

Now people just see it as fact, Easts are Poachers.

I've done this one, gone thru all the squads with friends who support other teams and sprout all the cliches.

I love pushing them till they want to throw one.

Childish but human, on both sides.

with out rerwriting the whole thing - this is a post i made on another forum some time back which i agree with what backwards has stated - much of this veiw is the legacy of the regurgitating of 70's sports journalism.

Lets not simplify the whole debate about purchasing players and club juniors and trot out tried and tested lines fed to us from sports journalists when they are struggling to produce a story on a quiet week. having followed the game for nearly 40 years i have heard all this echoed since the import rules in the 70′s

When you delve through the ranks of any club and their origins as juniors you will find a host of players that have juniors that are not from their base. Look at the Bulldogs recent strong sides around 2004 and beyond and you find a large number of players who were developed outside the Canterbury junior base Willie Mason (Newcastle), Andrew Ryan (Group 11NSWCRL), Sonny Bill Williams(Auckland), Willie Tonga (Qld) ,Mark O’ Meley (NSWCRL), Braith Anasta (Souths),Steve Price (Toowoomba, QLD), Jonathon Thurston (Toowoomba, QLD), Nate Myles (Qld) , Luke Patten (NSWCRL), Roy Asotasi (Auckland), Adam Perry (NSWCRL), Tony Grimaldi (St. George), Reni Maitua (Souths) Ben Harris (NSWCRL),to name a few.

The reality is that is what a salary cap and the high level player contracts does to player retention and the need for ongoing player recruitment and succession planning. Good luck to clubs who recruit well and hats off to all clubs who i believe everyone i have had anything to do with, do try to look after the kids in their area playing the game.

here is an interesting fact in the 2004 grand final the bulldogs fielded 4 local juniors with the roosters fielding 1 and would have been 2 except for the suspension of Luke Ricketson.

The perception would have been that the majority of the bulldogs side were local juniors.

[stsae]

with out rerwriting the whole thing - this is a post i made on another forum some time back which i agree with what backwards has stated - much of this veiw is the legacy of the regurgitating of 70's sports journalism.

Lets not simplify the whole debate about purchasing players and club juniors and trot out tried and tested lines fed to us from sports journalists when they are struggling to produce a story on a quiet week. having followed the game for nearly 40 years i have heard all this echoed since the import rules in the 70′s

When you delve through the ranks of any club and their origins as juniors you will find a host of players that have juniors that are not from their base. Look at the Bulldogs recent strong sides around 2004 and beyond and you find a large number of players who were developed outside the Canterbury junior base Willie Mason (Newcastle), Andrew Ryan (Group 11NSWCRL), Sonny Bill Williams(Auckland), Willie Tonga (Qld) ,Mark O’ Meley (NSWCRL), Braith Anasta (Souths),Steve Price (Toowoomba, QLD), Jonathon Thurston (Toowoomba, QLD), Nate Myles (Qld) , Luke Patten (NSWCRL), Roy Asotasi (Auckland), Adam Perry (NSWCRL), Tony Grimaldi (St. George), Reni Maitua (Souths) Ben Harris (NSWCRL),to name a few.

The reality is that is what a salary cap and the high level player contracts does to player retention and the need for ongoing player recruitment and succession planning. Good luck to clubs who recruit well and hats off to all clubs who i believe everyone i have had anything to do with, do try to look after the kids in their area playing the game.

here is an interesting fact in the 2004 grand final the bulldogs fielded 4 local juniors with the roosters fielding 1 and would have been 2 except for the suspension of Luke Ricketson.

The perception would have been that the majority of the bulldogs side were local juniors.

From memory didnt we have more players in that GF than The Boggs who had debuted with the club???

[roosterproud]

we poach only eggs

[Guest]

From memory didnt we have more players in that GF than The Boggs who had debuted with the club???

Yes quite possibly with hegarty, Crocker minichello and I think Flannery

[Guest]

Came across this today which I found interesting.

These stats are based on sides named to play this weekend:

Roosters:
Named a 19-man squad, 13 of whom began their NRL careers as a Rooster. Of the four remaining sides, they have the largest percentage of home-grown talent with a shade over 68%, having purchased a shade over 31% of their side from other clubs.

That makes no sense at all.

Mini was from out west, not a junior so he's not home grown.
Tupou is a Parra Jr
Jennings is a Panfer
SKD is a cuzzie bro
RTS is a cuzzie bro
Maloney is not a junior
Pearce is a Norfs Jr

etc etc etc....

In fact this article has depressed me, it's made me realise that I don't think we have a single junior in our squad. Not good.

To my count Soufs have 6 genuine jrs in their squad, they have far more home grown than we do, and I don't mean smoko.

[roostersrule2]

That makes no sense at all.

Mini was from out west, not a junior so he's not home grown.
Tupou is a Parra Jr
Jennings is a Panfer
SKD is a cuzzie bro
RTS is a cuzzie bro
Maloney is not a junior
Pearce is a Norfs Jr

etc etc etc....

In fact this article has depressed me, it's made me realise that I don't think we have a single junior in our squad. Not good.

To my count Soufs have 6 genuine jrs in their squad, they have far more home grown than we do, and I don't mean smoko.

I thought Mini was a Jnr?

[stsae]

That makes no sense at all.

Mini was from out west, not a junior so he's not home grown.
Tupou is a Parra Jr
Jennings is a Panfer
SKD is a cuzzie bro
RTS is a cuzzie bro
Maloney is not a junior
Pearce is a Norfs Jr

etc etc etc....

In fact this article has depressed me, it's made me realise that I don't think we have a single junior in our squad. Not good.

To my count Soufs have 6 genuine jrs in their squad, they have far more home grown than we do, and I don't mean smoko.

Home grown talent is what I read, players that played their first games in first grade at the club.

I

[Guest]

I thought Mini was a Jnr?

Nah, he was born in Liverpool and played all his Jr footy out that way, from memory we got him signed when he was about 16 or 17.

[Guest]

Home grown talent is what I read, players that played their first games in first grade at the club.

I

My definition of home grown is if they are home grown, as in a Junior.

[stsae]

My definition of home grown is if they are home grown, as in a Junior.

So what's the cut off for your definition???

I played against blokes like Field and Dymock and Fletch in Easts juniors but they went to the Souffs comp in their teens and they are now claimed by Souffs as juniors.

The argument can be made for many many players at every club.

I mean GI himself grew up in Kempsey, played for 5 mins in the QLD cup and debuted at Melba. Surely that makes him a Souffs junior???

It's all bullshit I tells ya.

If everyone just took a home grown player as one that played in a clubs junior system thru to debuting in their colors, this tired old 80s argument would be just that.