Moga's attitude?

[Guest]

Kingbilly, mate you are a bit harsh.

Everyone has to start somewhere and come through the grades. They are all learning and experiencing 26 weeks of football and training 4 days a week for the first time. They are apprentices. You wouldn't get a second year apprentice to build your house or an intern perform brain surgery on you (although for you that is minor surgery). Chill out, the kids are having a go and it is not there fault they are learning on a big stage which should be changed and will be. Have you watched reserve grade (NSW Cup) the defence is pretty average there too, that why first grade is so good and hard to achieve. Moga has had 2 major injuries and has just turned 20. He is learning and will be a player, probably not a centre, but still a good player.

How good where you at your chosen profession at 18 or 19?

Where the analogy breaks down is that a first year apprentice learns his place very quickly.

A lot of NYC players think they are master tradesman, which means they don't learn the skills to progress to be good tradesmen.

Ok, I mangled the metaphor but you see my point.

[fletch]

Moga was badly let down by our medical staff last year, no way should a 19y/o be let back onto the field only 7 months after a knee reconstruction, yes he may had full function/strength back in his knee but it is simply not enough time for the graft to fully take hold in someone whose growth plates are still open.

judging by the way Dr Orchard left the Roosters he was also not happy with a lot of things going on at the club as well, and this is not only to do with the blood tests fiasco, he was clearly unhappy with the whole league culture where winning is everything even at the cost of long term health of players.

as for Moga hopefully the club doesn't rush him back a second time and gives him time to properly heal, they could do worse than follow the lead of some AFL clubs where they send long term injured players overseas on study tours to help them with their recovery from not only a physical perspective but a mental one as well.

[BUDDY]

Moga was badly let down by our medical staff last year, no way should a 19y/o be let back onto the field only 7 months after a knee reconstruction, yes he may had full function/strength back in his knee but it is simply not enough time for the graft to fully take hold in someone whose growth plates are still open.

judging by the way Dr Orchard left the Roosters he was also not happy with a lot of things going on at the club as well, and this is not only to do with the blood tests fiasco, he was clearly unhappy with the whole league culture where winning is everything even at the cost of long term health of players.

as for Moga hopefully the club doesn't rush him back a second time and gives him time to properly heal, they could do worse than follow the lead of some AFL clubs where they send long term injured players overseas on study tours to help them with their recovery from not only a physical perspective but a mental one as well.

Do you have proof of this fletch or are you just throwing it out there? It sounds like you have heard this directly from Orchard. It is a big statement to make if you have no idea.

[fletch]

Do you have proof of this fletch or are you just throwing it out there? It sounds like you have heard this directly from Orchard. It is a big statement to make if you have no idea.

hey Buddy, Dr Orchard was fairly active on twitter when the story broke about him leaving the Roosters, he was clearly unhappy about what was going on in terms of the medical side of rugby league.

[BUDDY]

hey Buddy, Dr Orchard was fairly active on twitter when the story broke about him leaving the Roosters, he was clearly unhappy about what was going on in terms of the medical side of rugby league.

Did he say it had anything to do with our culture where winning is everything even at the cost of long term health of players?
Because it sounds like you are implying that Moga coming back after 7 months was not Orchards doing yet he was our club doctor and one of the reasons he left.

[fletch]

Buddy, Orchard was annoyed at the culture around the whole NRL not just our club, he was one of the driving forces in getting the shoulder charge outlawed he also is responsible in cataloguing injury trends for both the AFL/NRL.

In regards Moga as normal practice always the surgeon that has final say in terms major long term injuries when surgery is involved.

[Guest]

Totally agree.

I cringed when i read the title thread mainly because Moga's supposed "attitude" was at a time when Smith was unnecessarily
riding him in 2011 playing for the Jets. At the time Moga had every right to defend himself and throw it back at the mad professor.
Mark my words.....under TRobbo, TauTau will flourish when given the opportunity. He's dropped weight and is raring to go.

Reading the bold part was like taking 2 viagras for me..

I wasn't impressed with his first stint in the NRL, but i'm a paid up TIT member, so i'll give Moga another go..

[Guest]

Whats with this kid? Everything looks like? and produces nothing.. Bad or relaxed attitudes to preseason in the last 2 seasons have seen him nowhere in the Roosters squad calculations, Its time for Tau Tau to put in or be lost.. Hope he becomes.

He's still a kid mate he's rated highly at the club and is one of Uncle Nicks favourites so won't be going nowhere the kids has bad luck do you think he'd still be at the club if he had a bad attitude.

[Kingbilly]

Kingbilly, mate you are a bit harsh.

Everyone has to start somewhere and come through the grades. They are all learning and experiencing 26 weeks of football and training 4 days a week for the first time. They are apprentices. You wouldn't get a second year apprentice to build your house or an intern perform brain surgery on you (although for you that is minor surgery). Chill out, the kids are having a go and it is not there fault they are learning on a big stage which should be changed and will be. Have you watched reserve grade (NSW Cup) the defence is pretty average there too, that why first grade is so good and hard to achieve. Moga has had 2 major injuries and has just turned 20. He is learning and will be a player, probably not a centre, but still a good player.

How good where you at your chosen profession at 18 or 19?

I know where you are coming from DHS, if it was treated as an apprenticeship situation similar to professional soccer in the UK then it would probably work a lot better. But it isn't, its a dump for big athletic individuals sprinkled with some genuine footballers. The clubs just toss in these kids with the physical attributes and without the heart and brains of footballers and like a lottery just see what comes out and in my opinion it aint pretty.

Saying that I don't want to tar all the NYC kids with the same brush there are some quality kids its just they are not in the majority.
The standard of the football is just not good enough

I also do hope that Moga comes though and lives up to the hype. If Robbo cant do it no one can.

[Vasco]

hey Buddy, Dr Orchard was fairly active on twitter when the story broke about him leaving the Roosters, he was clearly unhappy about what was going on in terms of the medical side of rugby league.

Players are under pressure to get on the park.

Most carry injuries the entire season and are needled to get through games.

It's a brutal game and it would decimate the standard if half of each squad was missing every week.

I would say Orchard was against players risking long term damage.

Most if not all players will have life long problems after footy.

I've got two busted shoulders and bent looking fingers from playing park footy and pub cricket!

Can only imagine what some of these guys will have.

[davos]

I know where you are coming from DHS, if it was treated as an apprenticeship situation similar to professional soccer in the UK then it would probably work a lot better. But it isn't, its a dump for big athletic individuals sprinkled with some genuine footballers. The clubs just toss in these kids with the physical attributes and without the heart and brains of footballers and like a lottery just see what comes out and in my opinion it aint pretty.

Saying that I don't want to tar all the NYC kids with the same brush there are some quality kids its just they are not in the majority.
The standard of the football is just not good enough

I also do hope that Moga comes though and lives up to the hype. If Robbo cant do it no one can.

I 100% agree with kingbilly on this one. I have made my intentions on the U20's comp clear on here in the past. I just don't like it, and if you want proof of how it is overrated , just look at the warriors. They've made the u20's grand final ample times, yet they struggled to build a dominant side so far in the nrl. There's nothing wrong with having size, especially in the forwards, but if you can't defend, then you won't win many games. remember, saving trys is as good as scoring them, someone wise once said that.

all those 40-36 score lines are indicative of touch footy type defending. I like the development of Henare wells. There's nothing wrong with making your debut at 20-21 years of age instead of 18-19 yrs. He will be a good player in the years to come.Also Napa's time at newton would have done him no harm.

[davos]

Reading the bold part was like taking 2 viagras for me..

I wasn't impressed with his first stint in the NRL, but i'm a paid up TIT member, so i'll give Moga another go..

Hell yeah, I trust in trent so much I'd be willing to give anasta another go....oops , too far hey?

[davos]

Moga was badly let down by our medical staff last year, no way should a 19y/o be let back onto the field only 7 months after a knee reconstruction, yes he may had full function/strength back in his knee but it is simply not enough time for the graft to fully take hold in someone whose growth plates are still open.

judging by the way Dr Orchard left the Roosters he was also not happy with a lot of things going on at the club as well, and this is not only to do with the blood tests fiasco, he was clearly unhappy with the whole league culture where winning is everything even at the cost of long term health of players.

as for Moga hopefully the club doesn't rush him back a second time and gives him time to properly heal, they could do worse than follow the lead of some AFL clubs where they send long term injured players overseas on study tours to help them with their recovery from not only a physical perspective but a mental one as well.

I think your reading into this whole John Orchard thing too much mate. People leave and switch jobs in many institutions regularly. It does not necessarily mean that he was unhappy with our system at the club

[Darkone]

This is a great thread to which we can refer late next season...

TT Moga has plenty going for him

His youth to overcome the injuries & develop mental toughness, he has Cordner for inspiration.

His place in a highly successful & very motivated club environment.

His tenure under the most astute coach in the game at present.

His potential that can only be realised through the auspices of patience, hard work & a supportive family.

With all these aspects working in synch....

there is no reason why he cannot succeed

[davos]

exactly, but I think he will need to rely on more than size and speed to succeed in trent's side. Defence is a big key to playing in the centres, as it a genuine passing game to his outside man. If he can develop those things into his game, the sky's the limit.