SBW in line for accolade

[ism22]

Jism maaaaaaaaaaaaaaate, did you drink straight thru again???

That's whack man, even for you.

I think we have a much better team. Personally I'll take our boys over anybody without question...

The above isn't a reflection of my views, it's a reflection who who gets picked for Australia and respected come Origin time. You can't have all these guys, call them part of a dream team for QLD/Australia then say you're disadvantaged by them at club level.

Tate, Tamou, JT and Scott are all on the international stage playing for the best team. We don't have anybody in that team... they have 3 key players.

To be frank if you don't think Lui is an absolute FREAK you have never seen him playing. He's one of the game's brightest talents... youtube some of his line breaks and kicks.

I think Jennings is better than Tate... Australian selectors don't. To say the Cowboys have a rubbish team is just plain wrong. They have a solid roster and a distinct home advantage as they live in the hottest part of Australia where NRL is played.

JT will go down as one of the greats no doubt. I don't think he personally tears teams apart like Freddie/Joey or 2010 Carney. BUT he has the runs on the board at state and international level. I don't know if he does at club level...

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My suggestion overall is that there's a halo effect for all those in the QLD origin team. They've been winning for basically a decade so have overshadowed other people's efforts.

It's really sad that a decade worth of couragous NSW players (who are potentially better than their QLD counterparts) won't go down in history or play for Australia (regularly) because of QLD's luck with Origin. JT has the runs on the board but I think there are definitely better halves in the game who don't get a go because he's selected by default.

[ROC181]

JT chooses to play for the cowgirls. It's not like anyone's twisting his arm.

The Wankos and Melba have had to travel similar paths and distances and have never used it as an excuse for playing poorly.

JT is a top liner no doubt. IMO often his skills are overrated. The way I see him is as a tough proud individual and an instinctive footballer. But it's hard work that's forged his reputation not amazing skill as such. He never gives up and never stops trying to get the result.

It works so well for QLD cos he has a team full of players with the same attitude.

But at club level you see him at times and he's on his own, not many of his teammates respond to his instinctive play.

IMO it's not about travel for NQ. It's not about JT either. There has always been excuses at play at that club. Until they address that attitude they will always be also rans.

They need a Waynekerr. Someone to teach them how to win.

Yes yes yes ROC says Yes! I agree about needing someone like Bennet there but how do you convince someone to go there? Sometimes it's not about money but conditions. But can you compare Townsville to Melbourne or Brisbane? JT is comfortable there and it's off his own choice but if he were at a Broncos or Storm, he would have won another GF and most likely a few Churchills to go. As for the club attitude, well maybe the distance is 1 factor that affects the attitude. if your from Sydney and have to relocate there, I'm sure that eventually, the novelty wears off. People that dismiss JT's because he hasn't won a Gf with the cows just don't look at the big picture.

[ROC181]

I think we have a much better team. Personally I'll take our boys over anybody without question...

The above isn't a reflection of my views, it's a reflection who who gets picked for Australia and respected come Origin time. You can't have all these guys, call them part of a dream team for QLD/Australia then say you're disadvantaged by them at club level.

Tate, Tamou, JT and Scott are all on the international stage playing for the best team. We don't have anybody in that team... they have 3 key players.

To be frank if you don't think Lui is an absolute FREAK you have never seen him playing. He's one of the game's brightest talents... youtube some of his line breaks and kicks.

I think Jennings is better than Tate... Australian selectors don't. To say the Cowboys have a rubbish team is just plain wrong. They have a solid roster and a distinct home advantage as they live in the hottest part of Australia where NRL is played.

JT will go down as one of the greats no doubt. I don't think he personally tears teams apart like Freddie/Joey or 2010 Carney. BUT he has the runs on the board at state and international level. I don't know if he does at club level...

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My suggestion overall is that there's a halo effect for all those in the QLD origin team. They've been winning for basically a decade so have overshadowed other people's efforts.

It's really sad that a decade worth of couragous NSW players (who are potentially better than their QLD counterparts) won't go down in history or play for Australia (regularly) because of QLD's luck with Origin. JT has the runs on the board but I think there are definitely better halves in the game who don't get a go because he's selected by default.

Is this the Lui that used to play for the tigers but was let go due to incidents off field? If so i have never been a fan of this guy. Not sure what you have seen because when i do see him play, he generally makes wrong decisions.

[ism22]

...not with the run away tries that people only like to admire/acknowledge but in every other facet he has dominated, including some outstanding defensive efforts-considering that's his Achilles.

How? QLD have won many series' by narrow margins, using infinitely better squads. We've had a truck load of upset camps/conflicts/soul searching whereas they have been the incumbent side. All QLD players benefit from this halo effect... I don't think that JT is the heart of all their victories. If he got injured and replaced by DCE, I'd be more scared because I think DCE would be more dangerous. Force JT to play for NSW... we still wouldn't win with him (and them using DCE).

The last 2 series' have involved 2 points... that's the difference between us converting or not converting (and no, not necessarily JT converting all of his). We really haven't been smashed, QLD just have momentum and a more well rounded lineup.

[ism22]

'JT is a top liner no doubt. IMO often his skills are overrated.'

Sums up my opinion... no more needs to be said.

Good player who deserves a place in history, yes. World's best player? No.

[Tommy Smith]

One thing people forget to consider when making comparisons is other factors which affect the performance of a team and individual players. Imagine if Freddy had to play for NQ stuck in the middle of nowhere and every second weekend had to travel over 1000km just to get to a game? Imagine if JT played for a Sydney team where travel was not as rigorous?

No offence but I think that's such a crap excuse. Travel hasn't hurt the Broncos or Storm, or the Raiders before them for certain periods. The other way to look at it is that they have a massive home ground advantage where as we play our games basically at a neutral venue.

Look I think JT is a great player, but I still don't think he's in the Fittler/Johns true champion class.

During Freddy's 9 years at the club we finished top 6 on ALL 9 occasions. During JT's 9 year tenure the Cowboys have finished top 6 on 3 occasions.

We made the finals all 9 seasons. The Cowboys on 5 occasions. We made 4 GFs, the Cowboys 1. We had 14 wins in finals games compared to the Cowboys 7.

Freddy's winning % at the Roosters was 65% . JT's has been a paltry 47%.

Now I fully understand that it's a team game. But the Cowboys have consistently had very good rosters during JTs time up there. Always a great fullback, a quality hooker and an excellent bunch of forwards and outside backs.

I would be very willing to hazard a quess that had a true titan of the game like Freddy or Joey been up there instead then the Cowboys would have been far more competitive.

But it's all guess work.

Meanwhile, SBW should win the Golden Boot. But if they want to give it to JT for some great performances for QLD and Australia vs the likes of Fiji and England then that's their choice.

[stsae]

I think we have a much better team. Personally I'll take our boys over anybody without question...

The above isn't a reflection of my views, it's a reflection who who gets picked for Australia and respected come Origin time. You can't have all these guys, call them part of a dream team for QLD/Australia then say you're disadvantaged by them at club level.

Tate, Tamou, JT and Scott are all on the international stage playing for the best team. We don't have anybody in that team... they have 3 key players.

To be frank if you don't think Lui is an absolute FREAK you have never seen him playing. He's one of the game's brightest talents... youtube some of his line breaks and kicks.

I think Jennings is better than Tate... Australian selectors don't. To say the Cowboys have a rubbish team is just plain wrong. They have a solid roster and a distinct home advantage as they live in the hottest part of Australia where NRL is played.

JT will go down as one of the greats no doubt. I don't think he personally tears teams apart like Freddie/Joey or 2010 Carney. BUT he has the runs on the board at state and international level. I don't know if he does at club level...

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My suggestion overall is that there's a halo effect for all those in the QLD origin team. They've been winning for basically a decade so have overshadowed other people's efforts.

It's really sad that a decade worth of couragous NSW players (who are potentially better than their QLD counterparts) won't go down in history or play for Australia (regularly) because of QLD's luck with Origin. JT has the runs on the board but I think there are definitely better halves in the game who don't get a go because he's selected by default.

Rep sides are picked with the best "individuals" to form hopefully a great "team".

QLD just do it better, have done for a while now. Injuries and suspensions have been kinder to them in that period also.

This year we showed how a great "team" at club level can be built on solid foundations and the right mix of imported "individual" skill.

The coaching has to receive a lot of the accolades for moulding the "team".

That's where the cowgirls always falter. They have some great "individual" talent, they struggle to mould them into a great "team".

I don't believe they have any foundations. They are The Souffs of QLD, the people's faves, the underdog, the battler from the tropics. And that means very little in the modern era of professionalism.

The Wankos and Melba and woManly and Us show this to be true with sustained success over the last 15 years or so.

As for Lui, that's out there. But if it's your opinion I won't rubbish it. I won't agree either.

[ROC181]

No offence but I think that's such a crap excuse. Travel hasn't hurt the Broncos or Storm, or the Raiders before them for certain periods. The other way to look at it is that they have a massive home ground advantage where as we play our games basically at a neutral venue.

Look I think JT is a great player, but I still don't think he's in the Fittler/Johns true champion class.

During Freddy's 9 years at the club we finished top 6 on ALL 9 occasions. During JT's 9 year tenure the Cowboys have finished top 6 on 3 occasions.

We made the finals all 9 seasons. The Cowboys on 5 occasions. We made 4 GFs, the Cowboys 1. We had 14 wins in finals games compared to the Cowboys 7.

Freddy's winning % at the Roosters was 65% . JT's has been a paltry 47%.

Now I fully understand that it's a team game. But the Cowboys have consistently had very good rosters during JTs time up there. Always a great fullback, a quality hooker and an excellent bunch of forwards and outside backs.

I would be very willing to hazard a quess that had a true titan of the game like Freddy or Joey been up there instead then the Cowboys would have been far more competitive.

But it's all guess work.

Meanwhile, SBW should win the Golden Boot. But if they want to give it to JT for some great performances for QLD and Australia vs the likes of Fiji and England then that's their choice.

Since you put it that way, no offence taken but I think you are comparing apples and oranges. You and some may not put JT in the same league as Freddy or johns and perhaps history will agree but he is a very good player and without him, the cows would be perennial wooden spooners, however I think you are wrong to compare the conditions of Brisbane, the Storm and the raiders of the late 80's & 90's(cause i don't think you are comparing the current raiders) I am not offereing traveling as an 'excuse' but it's a factor. All the travel the cowboys do has to in some ways affect their attitude. As for Brisbane...well they have the cream of QLD footy players to choose from which is why they usually have the highest SOO representation. The Storm have been given a hand in creating that club and they've managed to keep 3/4 stars in their history to be very successful. I doubt that a player like Smith, cronk and Slater would play in Townsville at their peak. The Cowboys usually get the rejects of the NRL. Lets be honest that the draw that sydney clubs get is in no way as hard as for those in another state and there is nothing that can be done.

[Burnt Rooster]

I'am not exactly sure of the criteria for the Golden Boot winner, if its the representative player of the year, then most likely JT would be the correct nominee, but if its taken over a whole season, including all areas of the game, I think SBW has him covered. But as you say its basically a pommie instigated award, and a few pommie woodducks have carried it off, the real winner is the premiership ring, and our boys have one. Although our Grandfinal MOM Cherry Evans is right up there for dodgy decisions. We all know Jake was, so that's all that matters, Stevie Wonder would of even come up with Jake as MOM.

[Guest]

No offence but I think that's such a crap excuse. Travel hasn't hurt the Broncos or Storm, or the Raiders before them for certain periods. The other way to look at it is that they have a massive home ground advantage where as we play our games basically at a neutral venue.

Look I think JT is a great player, but I still don't think he's in the Fittler/Johns true champion class.

During Freddy's 9 years at the club we finished top 6 on ALL 9 occasions. During JT's 9 year tenure the Cowboys have finished top 6 on 3 occasions.

We made the finals all 9 seasons. The Cowboys on 5 occasions. We made 4 GFs, the Cowboys 1. We had 14 wins in finals games compared to the Cowboys 7.

Freddy's winning % at the Roosters was 65% . JT's has been a paltry 47%.

Now I fully understand that it's a team game. But the Cowboys have consistently had very good rosters during JTs time up there. Always a great fullback, a quality hooker and an excellent bunch of forwards and outside backs.

I would be very willing to hazard a quess that had a true titan of the game like Freddy or Joey been up there instead then the Cowboys would have been far more competitive.

But it's all guess work.

Meanwhile, SBW should win the Golden Boot. But if they want to give it to JT for some great performances for QLD and Australia vs the likes of Fiji and England then that's their choice.

Sorry, Cowboys roster over the periods you compare are way off. A fullback who missed seasons of football, a hooker (Payne) who played injury interrupted football and although he made good contributions it was never consistent GF winning hooker play and he has never had a top line halves partner..

I put it to you that with the roster we had in the 2000's that we under achieved. Is that Freddy's fault?

[Guest]

Rep sides are picked with the best "individuals" to form hopefully a great "team".

QLD just do it better, have done for a while now. Injuries and suspensions have been kinder to them in that period also.

This year we showed how a great "team" at club level can be built on solid foundations and the right mix of imported "individual" skill.

The coaching has to receive a lot of the accolades for moulding the "team".

That's where the cowgirls always falter. They have some great "individual" talent, they struggle to mould them into a great "team".

I don't believe they have any foundations. They are The Souffs of QLD, the people's faves, the underdog, the battler from the tropics. And that means very little in the modern era of professionalism.

The Wankos and Melba and woManly and Us show this to be true with sustained success over the last 15 years or so.

As for Lui, that's out there. But if it's your opinion I won't rubbish it. I won't agree either.

Which 'coach' of qld do you most see in the qld teams when they play? Meninga, Hagan, Henry or replication from what players doing at club ie players dictating structures?

The Broncos are now back with the rest of the clubs. For years they had the run of the state, from when they first entered until recently when they operated off their success and QLD/Home roots. This is all being slightly diluted in last few years, prior to that they should have won all those GF's and maybe more....

[Tommy Smith]

When you consider that we won 1 from 4 GFs, then yes that's a disappointment. But GFs are quite often a coin toss. The Broncos, Panthers and Dogs were great sides.

But making 4 GFs in 5 years is an amazing achievement. As proven by the fact that JTs Cowboys haven't even threatened to make one in the last 8 years.

Despite winning only 1 Premiership it was still an amazing era. Without Freddy we couldn't win a game at times but with him we made 4 GFs in 5 years. Not bad...

[stsae]

Which 'coach' of qld do you most see in the qld teams when they play? Meninga, Hagan, Henry or replication from what players doing at club ie players dictating structures?

The Broncos are now back with the rest of the clubs. For years they had the run of the state, from when they first entered until recently when they operated off their success and QLD/Home roots. This is all being slightly diluted in last few years, prior to that they should have won all those GF's and maybe more....

Smiff, and not me old Dad Bwian, Cameron.

The bloke is an on field coach IMO.

That said I believe QLD play Waynekerr ball. Implemented by the players.

Thru blokes like Alfie, Toolis, Lockhead, even Bellyache to Smiff.

Mal is a legend up there. He provides the all important passion. Mal hates us.

Waynekerr ball.

Imagine what the cowgirls would do with Waynekerr.

[Kingbilly]

Liu has done some good things sure you can youtube those, but I bet you can't youtube all the mistakes he has made or the poor decisions he has made. Its certainly not because it didn't happen.

There are 2 reasons they picked Tate over Jennings. The opportunity that Jennings got over there he was terrible. The other reason is Tate is a QLDer and apparently what Cameron Smith wants he often gets and he wants QLDers.

[Guest]

Liu has done some good things sure you can youtube those, but I bet you can't youtube all the mistakes he has made or the poor decisions he has made. Its certainly not because it didn't happen.

There are 2 reasons they picked Tate over Jennings. The opportunity that Jennings got over there he was terrible. The other reason is Tate is a QLDer and apparently what Cameron Smith wants he often gets and he wants QLDers.

Cam and Nate had a run in over this very thing in the UK!