did uncle nick call on gus in the PR war with the refs

[Guest]

Corrupt: having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.

If nothing to gain then why bother with a square up? You can't have it both ways.

[Spirit of 66]

As I have no evidence of Cummins receiving personal or financial gain, I withdraw the use of the word "corrupt". (One could argue that the NRL stands to benefit financially by influencing the outcome of games - e.g. ensuring key markets like Brisbane are kept happy - but that's another matter.)

Here are some other words that might be more appropriate:

BIAS - "inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair." I believe this is what Trent was intimating on Friday night.

PREJUDICE - "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience". Kegs agrees with this point as he describes it in his post.

FAVOURITISM - "the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another". Again, this is what Trent was implying on Friday.

So, OK Kegs. I agree that the game or its referees are not corrupt, or at least we have no evidence that they are.

All is well. Move on. Nothing to see here.

Just bias, prejudice and favouritism.

[stephenj]

at least the refs stuck to their game plan?

[Guest]

As I have no evidence of Cummins receiving personal or financial gain, I withdraw the use of the word "corrupt". (One could argue that the NRL stands to benefit financially by influencing the outcome of games - e.g. ensuring key markets like Brisbane are kept happy - but that's another matter.)

Here are some other words that might be more appropriate:

BIAS - "inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair." I believe this is what Trent was intimating on Friday night.

PREJUDICE - "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience". Kegs agrees with this point as he describes it in his post.

FAVOURITISM - "the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another". Again, this is what Trent was implying on Friday.

So, OK Kegs. I agree that the game or its referees are not corrupt, or at least we have no evidence that they are.

All is well. Move on. Nothing to see here.

Just bias, prejudice and favouritism.

That's better! See you're coming along now! I have argued from the start that there will be bias and prejudice involved. Referees are human too, they grew up supporting a team and probably still support a team. They will have read the newspaper articles and gossip columns that say the Roosters are the 'glamour club' the 'transit lounge' the most 'ill discipline team' in the comp. They are human, they aren't robots.

On your post, prejudice nigh impossible to prove and can't be punished, so there is no point discussing it. Bias and favouritsm are also relatively hard to prove, especiialy when every teams fan base believes the referees are biased or showing favouritsm towards the other team.

The referees were out of line on Friday night and Trent pointed that out, however i didnt hear him mention the words bias, prejudice or favouritsm. And i certainly haven't heard him throw around the 'c' word.

[Guest]

It is just a knee-jerk reaction to media sensationalism. The refs are focusing all their attention on us and have inadvertently created inconsistencies.

[Andrew Walker]

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The referees were out of line on Friday night and Trent pointed that out, however i didnt hear him mention the words bias, prejudice or favouritsm. And i certainly haven't heard him throw around the 'c' word.[/QUOTE]

That is why he was not fined Trent is too smart for that The inference though was well and truly drawn when he responded to a question of why we are always on the end of such penalty counts with an answer of I have no idea WHAT THEIR MOTIVATION IS

If you truly cannot see that then your even more stupid than I think

[Guest]

It's not that the NRL or referees are corrupt, it's the fact that they're suppose to be impartial but their blind hatred for our club is glaringly obvious.

Let's face it, if you don't support Easts you hate them. These referees are not suppose to have these feelings but it's quite obvious they do.

[Guest]

It's not that the NRL or referees are corrupt, it's the fact that they're suppose to be impartial but their blind hatred for our club is glaringly obvious.

Let's face it, if you don't support Easts you hate them. These referees are not suppose to have these feelings but it's quite obvious they do.

Of course they have feelings, emotions and opinions. They are human.

However their blind hatred must have been put on ice as we were able to over come Manly in the GF.

[Andrew Walker]

It's not that the NRL or referees are corrupt, it's the fact that they're suppose to be impartial but their blind hatred for our club is glaringly obvious.

Let's face it, if you don't support Easts you hate them. These referees are not suppose to have these feelings but it's quite obvious they do.

Just looking up the word corrupt Underneath there is an adjective to describe corrupt Which I shall now provide

Lacking in integrity Open to or involving bribery or other dishonest practices

I think penalising one side for indescretions but only warning the others for the same indescretions Is lacking in integrity and a dishonest practice

[Guest]

Of course they have feelings, emotions and opinions. They are human.

However their blind hatred must have been put on ice as we were able to over come Manly in the GF.

Everybody knows they put the whistle in their pockets come semi final time.

They know they can't get away with it in the big games because they'll never referee first grade again.

They can do what they like in the regular season because they know they'll be running around again the week after.

[Andrew Walker]

Everybody knows they put the whistle in their pockets come semi final time.

They know they can't get away with it in the big games because they'll never referee first grade again.

They can do what they like in the regular season because they know they'll be running around again the week after.

Sopt on Greedy

[Guest]

Everybody knows they put the whistle in their pockets come semi final time.

They know they can't get away with it in the big games because they'll never referee first grade again.

They can do what they like in the regular season because they know they'll be running around again the week after.

Why does no one bring this to surface then? If it is common knowledge (i tend to agree, penalty counts in finals, especially the grand final, are much lower than regular season matches) that referees are more heavily scrutinising teams in round games than in finals games, where is the justice in that?

Why don't referees control round games like they control finals games, or vice versa? Where is the consistancy?

Everyone seems to be happy to point out the raw deal we get during the round games, but they seem to be blissfully unaware of the fact that in last years Grand Final, we gave away the same amount of penalties in the same length of time as Manly did on Friday night.

[Spirit of 66]

Everybody knows they put the whistle in their pockets come semi final time.

They know they can't get away with it in the big games because they'll never referee first grade again.

They can do what they like in the regular season because they know they'll be running around again the week after.

Qualifying final, 2013. Sydney Roosters v Manly Sea Eagles.
Penalties: Manly 12, Roosters 5
Referee: Ben Cummins

[Spirit of 66]

Why does no one bring this to surface then? If it is common knowledge (i tend to agree, penalty counts in finals, especially the grand final, are much lower than regular season matches) that referees are more heavily scrutinising teams in round games than in finals games, where is the justice in that?

Why don't referees control round games like they control finals games, or vice versa? Where is the consistancy?

Everyone seems to be happy to point out the raw deal we get during the round games, but they seem to be blissfully unaware of the fact that in last years Grand Final, we gave away the same amount of penalties in the same length of time as Manly did on Friday night.

Plus a penalty try.

[Guest]

Plus a penalty try.

plus that.