Rugby League Week - bits and pieces

[Guest]

I was critical of Pearce as our 1/2 back up until Robinson took over. I actually think Pearce will get better now that he is 26 or what ever he is. I have always believed that good players don't start peaking till at least 27 & it go's on for 4 to 5 years.

I have never doubted his commitment or toughness I have been critical of him not getting repeat sets & making the wrong decision on the 5th but I believe he is now learning that about his game & he will now get better with his decisions which will benefit the team.

[Bigchook]

Disagree. Cowboys have never had the roster, the 'run' or luck to have been expects to win a premiership. If there is a player (up until last year) 'who carried his team' it was Thurston. I say that with respect to cowboys players past and present. He has never had a top line 6 or 9, and yes he had Bowen but he was injured more than not. In saying that, this year given bit of luck that all premiership teams need the cowboys should be top 4 comfortably.

If roosters don't win comp I'd move on with a NQ 'roosters' victory. Lol

Having the Australian front row in tamou and Scott, Dallas Johnson in the middle, Bowen at the back, Aaron payne at hooker, Brent Tate in the centres, the sims boys, a young seggy and lolo.. I think they had the talent to win it. A legend should be able to move a squad like that to a title. And I truly believe you make your own luck.

[Guest]

Having the Australian front row in tamou and Scott, Dallas Johnson in the middle, Bowen at the back, Aaron payne at hooker, Brent Tate in the centres, the sims boys, a young seggy and lolo.. I think they had the talent to win it. A legend should be able to move a squad like that to a title. And I truly believe you make your own luck.

Tamou had one and half good years. Dallas Johnson was half the player at cows that he was at storm. Seggy wasnt the seggy u see today-far from it, and same goes with Lolo! Bowen spent more time off field than on it. Tariq Sims has played consistent football the last 18 months-before that he had from memory broken leg after broken leg.. Ashton Simms had his best year last year and even that fotball isn't quality of premiership winning front row. All those guys u mention tho-how many games u reckon they played together?

Would u take cowboys side from last 5 years over any of the eventual grand final winners of same time span? I wouldn't. I wouldn't take cowboys side over any of previous top four sides of those last 5 years.

[Bigchook]

Tamou had one and half good years. Dallas Johnson was half the player at cows that he was at storm. Seggy wasnt the seggy u see today-far from it, and same goes with Lolo! Bowen spent more time off field than on it. Tariq Sims has played consistent football the last 18 months-before that he had from memory broken leg after broken leg.. Ashton Simms had his best year last year and even that fotball isn't quality of premiership winning front row. All those guys u mention tho-how many games u reckon they played together?

Would u take cowboys side from last 5 years over any of the eventual grand final winners of same time span? I wouldn't. I wouldn't take cowboys side over any of previous top four sides of those last 5 years.

Imo they had a great mix of experienced heads in Johnson Tate Scott etc and had a good bench with upcoming guns like seggy and lolo. Obviously they weren't going as good as they are now but they always had the ability. Most premiership teams have that mix of youth and experience with form halves. Obviously they didn't go on to win.. All I'm saying is that if Thurston is to be truly considered an immortal and one of the greatest and most influential players of his era then the roster he had should have been enough.

[Guest]

Thurston is a champion player. Roosters v Cowboys in this years semi the Roosters are up 30 nil at half time I think & the Cowboys all Thurston get back to 31-30. If the Roosters were behind by 30 there is NO WAY they would have the play maker to get them 30 in the 2nd half, mate the guy is truly top notch he has been all his career & he is a really good ambassador for the Indigenous & the NRL.

[Rooster_6]

Thurston is a champion player. Roosters v Cowboys in this years semi the Roosters are up 30 nil at half time I think & the Cowboys all Thurston get back to 31-30. If the Roosters were behind by 30 there is NO WAY they would have the play maker to get them 30 in the 2nd half, mate the guy is truly top notch he has been all his career & he is a really good ambassador for the Indigenous & the NRL.

Thurston creates more points than any other play in the game, I'll never doubt that but this is a perfect example of great players status always being embellished & it ends up leading to ridiculous claims that Pearce never "owns" results like the greats.

1st try - Simple dropped bomb by Mini
2nd try - Good short ball by Matt Scott
3rd try - Thurston solo try
4th try - Ridiculous pass by Mini leads to a try
5th try - Matt Scott barges over from close range.

Thurston had a leading hand in 1 try, not 30 points.

[Tommy Smith]

Well said.

Minichiello and Matt Scott got the Cowboys back into that game more so than JT.

[Thirteen]

Tamou had one and half good years. Dallas Johnson was half the player at cows that he was at storm. Seggy wasnt the seggy u see today-far from it, and same goes with Lolo! Bowen spent more time off field than on it. Tariq Sims has played consistent football the last 18 months-before that he had from memory broken leg after broken leg.. Ashton Simms had his best year last year and even that fotball isn't quality of premiership winning front row. All those guys u mention tho-how many games u reckon they played together?

Would u take cowboys side from last 5 years over any of the eventual grand final winners of same time span? I wouldn't. I wouldn't take cowboys side over any of previous top four sides of those last 5 years.

What are you? Some kind of Cowboy lover?!

[Guest]

What are you? Some kind of Cowboy lover?!

Not to the point where they would make a movie on it...... Broke Back 2.

[Guest]

Thurston creates more points than any other play in the game, I'll never doubt that but this is a perfect example of great players status always being embellished & it ends up leading to ridiculous claims that Pearce never "owns" results like the greats.

1st try - Simple dropped bomb by Mini
2nd try - Good short ball by Matt Scott
3rd try - Thurston solo try
4th try - Ridiculous pass by Mini leads to a try
5th try - Matt Scott barges over from close range.

Thurston had a leading hand in 1 try, not 30 points.

I see where you're coming from, but you're probably understating his influence on the way they came back at us.

In saying that, someone earlier in this thread said Thurston is a Complete half and I disagree.

If he was, they'd have gotten us that night. Some of his options and in particular his kicking towards the end were absolutely diabolical.

On the other hand, Pearce and Friend both kicked early in the count on a couple of occasions deep into that second half and those plays were key to us winning that game.

Thurston is a freakish talent but all of his big games have been won at rep level alongside the likes of Lockyer and Cronk who control games and let Thurston's genius do it's thing.

[Kingbilly]

Thurston is the only player from the last 20 years that will come close to Johns.
Cronk is average without Slater. Slater is the general and controls the game for the Storm. If Australia had him instead of that lazy prick ingli$ they would have smashed everyone in the 4 nations.

Pearce will be better than Cronk, but it will take a lot more for him to be better than Thurston, which I do not think he will achieve and that is not a criticism of Pearce but a comment on how good I think Thurston is.

The comments that Thurston has never lead a team to the GF is not that important, I think its more appropriate to say the cows will never win one without him

[Johnny.]

Not to the point where they would make a movie on it...... Broke Back 2.

I just can't quit you Jason.

[Guest]

I just can't quit you Jason.

I like your use of misdirection with that post. Using a web address is much less incriminating than it reading
documents.g-drive.johnny.lololust

[Game Fowl]

Thurston is the only player from the last 20 years that will come close to Johns.
Cronk is average without Slater. Slater is the general and controls the game for the Storm. If Australia had him instead of that lazy prick ingli$ they would have smashed everyone in the 4 nations.

Pearce will be better than Cronk, but it will take a lot more for him to be better than Thurston, which I do not think he will achieve and that is not a criticism of Pearce but a comment on how good I think Thurston is.

The comments that Thurston has never lead a team to the GF is not that important, I think its more appropriate to say the cows will never win one without him

Kingbilly , I agree with most of what you say above
Thurston has shown that from a talent perspective he has it all - Johns could learn a lot about being a role model from him.
Cronk plays a bigger part than most people think, 2013 SOO game 3 case in hand , watched and heard him plot 2-3 plays ahead -Slater and Smith react to what he calls not the other way.
Sheens selections played more of a part than any single player in Aust demise.
JuJu will mature into a more rounded player this year , I see him taking control and directing the game more during crucial stages , his kicking game and variatey is already advancing well , time will tell but I have faith in the steady development shown.
If Cows are to win a GF 2015 will be their last chance.
For what it's worth that's my opinion and it's great to be back on a Footy topic.

[Guest]

Thurston is the only player from the last 20 years that will come close to Johns.
Cronk is average without Slater. Slater is the general and controls the game for the Storm. If Australia had him instead of that lazy prick ingli$ they would have smashed everyone in the 4 nations.

Pearce will be better than Cronk, but it will take a lot more for him to be better than Thurston, which I do not think he will achieve and that is not a criticism of Pearce but a comment on how good I think Thurston is.

The comments that Thurston has never lead a team to the GF is not that important, I think its more appropriate to say the cows will never win one without him

The majority of the content in your comment is feasible and slater does organise the storm in D but to think anyone else other than Cameron smith is the generalis ludicrous, his retirement will see an end to the Storm as we know it.