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  • #16
    Originally posted by BigMike View Post
    It was the second tackle and there was no need for it, it has nothing to do with what style of footy we want to play. We were under the pump and needed possesion badly.

    Passes like that remind me of Souths and West Tigers from the last couple of years. Erratic and unpredictable.

    All the top teams know when to build pressure and when to display flair. That was a silly mistake which once again put us on the backfoot.
    It was a simple dropped ball. The run was good, the pass was good. And if Pearce had caught it, the result would have been good as well. Don't blame SKD for passing it on the second or for not building pressure. If Pearce takes it (which he should have), he would have gone very close to scoring

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Vasco View Post
      A fantastic ball hits you on the chest.

      Dig up some footage of Fittler or Johns. They knew how to throw one of those.
      So every ball has to hit a player on the chest, to be deemed a fantastic ball?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kramer86 View Post
        So every ball has to hit a player on the chest, to be deemed a fantastic ball?
        How many Finch passes hit chests..........of fans sitting in row w of the grand stands ????

        Sorry i had to, it was there for the taking !!!

        Delecto Oriens est odio Meridianus
        To love Easts is to hate Souffs

        Originally posted by Bill Shankley, Liverpool FC
        At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
        Originally posted by Andy Raymond Commentating Souffs V Manly 18/04/09
        The fireworks at the Easter show are making more noise than the crowd tonight

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        • #19
          Originally posted by supermario View Post
          How many Finch passes hit chests..........of fans sitting in row w of the grand stands ????

          Sorry i had to, it was there for the taking !!!
          He throws them pretty well these days

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Kramer86 View Post
            It was a simple dropped ball. The run was good, the pass was good. And if Pearce had caught it, the result would have been good as well. Don't blame SKD for passing it on the second or for not building pressure. If Pearce takes it (which he should have), he would have gone very close to scoring
            There was need for it, that's the point.

            It wasn't a high percentage play, and was not needed in the situation. We needed to cart the ball up with simple hit-ups and make Riff defend more.

            I'll watch the replay again at 4.30 if i get the chance but i remember making a note of it during the game. Ridiculous.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BigMike View Post
              There was need for it, that's the point.

              It wasn't a high percentage play, and was not needed in the situation. We needed to cart the ball up with simple hit-ups and make Riff defend more.

              I'll watch the replay again at 4.30 if i get the chance but i remember making a note of it during the game. Ridiculous.
              There was a need for it, to score a try. I was at the game, right in line with it. Pearce just dropped it. Simple as that. I'll try and catch the replay this afternoon as well, just to make sure I remember correctly

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              • #22
                It is much broader than that. We needed to score a try, however we needed to complete our sets first and foremost.

                No matter how good the pass was ( i'm certain it was far from quality ) an around the corner pass is not high percentage. Applied pressure not only brings you a try but sets you up for the try after that. We need to wear down the opposition players, especially on a hot day like yesterday. Trying to score on every other play will just result in dropped ball and mistakes. It's that kind of mentality that will separate us from quality teams.

                Todays game is centered much more on momentum than individual brilliance.

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                • #23
                  You have to take your chances as well. You can't just tuck the ball under your arm for 4 tackles every set. If you see an opportunity to score points or create, then you should take it. There was certainly an opportunity on that play. Pearce saw it, otherwise he wouldn't have pushed up in support. How often does a halfback run off a centre? Rarely. The opportunity was there, but we missed out because Canola decided to give out free samples in the dressing sheds before the game. I feel as though this is a little bit of SKD bashing, rather than genuine analysis of the play...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BigMike View Post
                    It is much broader than that. We needed to score a try, however we needed to complete our sets first and foremost.

                    No matter how good the pass was ( i'm certain it was far from quality ) an around the corner pass is not high percentage. Applied pressure not only brings you a try but sets you up for the try after that. We need to wear down the opposition players, especially on a hot day like yesterday. Trying to score on every other play will just result in dropped ball and mistakes. It's that kind of mentality that will separate us from quality teams.

                    Todays game is centered much more on momentum than individual brilliance.
                    Todays game is a funny old thing. Who knows? Pearce holds his line, Carney's ball goes backwards, and we're in under the sticks, maybe we win? If Pearce picks up SKD's ball, we go in, maybe that turns the momentum and we lift?

                    Individual brilliance can change the game completely. It is never needed. But it's bloody welcome when it comes.

                    That's the kind of stuff that a bit later in the season, we'll see coming off, and we'll all, in our bipolarity, hail SKD as the next big thing.

                    If that had come off and we'd won the game, we'd all be talking about how fantastic it was and why it was a game breaking play.

                    That was not the thing that lost us the game. It wasn't even a mistake really. Pearce should have caught it. Regardless, it's good to see blokes having a crack, because that stuff will win us games soon.

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                    • #25
                      I've just seen a replay on Foxtel IQ,

                      it happened in the 19th minute, Panthers 10 Roosters 0, fourth tackle of the set. Roosters had a ruck on the 40m line, SKD runs it out of dummy half.

                      SKD made it to about 27m out from the Panthers' line when he threw the offload, the pass was to Pearce's knees.

                      And even if Pearce had caught it, he had two defenders within 5 metres of him and the fullback to beat. There was no support and in all likelihood Pearce would have been wrapped up quite easily.

                      Ray Warren: "he got the pass away and Mitchell Pearce almost turned it into a magnificent piece of football."
                      FONK

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Kramer86 View Post
                        You have to take your chances as well. You can't just tuck the ball under your arm for 4 tackles every set. If you see an opportunity to score points or create, then you should take it. There was certainly an opportunity on that play. Pearce saw it, otherwise he wouldn't have pushed up in support. How often does a halfback run off a centre? Rarely. The opportunity was there, but we missed out because Canola decided to give out free samples in the dressing sheds before the game. I feel as though this is a little bit of SKD bashing, rather than genuine analysis of the play...
                        We were barely in the game at that stage. I think tucking the ball under hand for a set of six was the ONLY option we had. Or at least make it down their goal-line, then throw miracle balls.

                        We needed possession and we proved that we don't value the pill by even CONSIDERING that as a play.

                        SKD bashing has nothing to do with it. I praise the bloke when he has a good game. Silly decisions and errors is what lets his game down and erases any good work he does.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by redwhiteandbluester View Post
                          I've just seen a replay on Foxtel IQ,

                          it happened in the 19th minute, Panthers 10 Roosters 0, fourth tackle of the set. Roosters had a ruck on the 40m line, SKD runs it out of dummy half.

                          SKD made it to about 27m out from the Panthers' line when he threw the offload, the pass was to Pearce's knees.

                          And even if Pearce had caught it, he had two defenders within 5 metres of him and the fullback to beat. There was no support and in all likelihood Pearce would have been wrapped up quite easily.

                          Ray Warren: "he got the pass away and Mitchell Pearce almost turned it into a magnificent piece of football."
                          Thats pretty much how I remembered it knee height should have been taken. If I remember correctly it was out in front of Pearce and was actually higher than the knees but the time Pearce got his hands to it, it was knee height.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BigMike View Post
                            We were barely in the game at that stage. I think tucking the ball under hand for a set of six was the ONLY option we had. Or at least make it down their goal-line, then throw miracle balls.

                            We needed possession and we proved that we don't value the pill by even CONSIDERING that as a play.

                            SKD bashing has nothing to do with it. I praise the bloke when he has a good game. Silly decisions and errors is what lets his game down and erases any good work he does.
                            The Roosters were on the attack at that stage, 25m out from the Penrith line, and if SKD took the tackle it was the second to last tackle of the set.
                            FONK

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BlindFreddy View Post
                              Todays game is a funny old thing. Who knows? Pearce holds his line, Carney's ball goes backwards, and we're in under the sticks, maybe we win? If Pearce picks up SKD's ball, we go in, maybe that turns the momentum and we lift?

                              Individual brilliance can change the game completely. It is never needed. But it's bloody welcome when it comes.

                              That's the kind of stuff that a bit later in the season, we'll see coming off, and we'll all, in our bipolarity, hail SKD as the next big thing.

                              If that had come off and we'd won the game, we'd all be talking about how fantastic it was and why it was a game breaking play.

                              That was not the thing that lost us the game. It wasn't even a mistake really. Pearce should have caught it. Regardless, it's good to see blokes having a crack, because that stuff will win us games soon.
                              Mate i'm not discouraging those kinds of passes, or individual brilliance but the players need to know when to display it and when to knuckle down and work our way into the game the tough way.

                              It wasn't what cost us the game, there were some moments which made me cringe worse ie Perret's dropped balls, Carnage's failure to diffuse the bomb. However, i only single SKD out is because he does it more than any other player in the team and i remember making a note of it during the game, saying to myself that it was a big mistake in the context of the game.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by redwhiteandbluester View Post
                                I've just seen a replay on Foxtel IQ,

                                it happened in the 19th minute, Panthers 10 Roosters 0, fourth tackle of the set. Roosters had a ruck on the 40m line, SKD runs it out of dummy half.

                                SKD made it to about 27m out from the Panthers' line when he threw the offload, the pass was to Pearce's knees.

                                And even if Pearce had caught it, he had two defenders within 5 metres of him and the fullback to beat. There was no support and in all likelihood Pearce would have been wrapped up quite easily.

                                Ray Warren: "he got the pass away and Mitchell Pearce almost turned it into a magnificent piece of football."
                                Ahh, cheers mate, i was certain that the pass was iffy, although i thought it was earlier in the set.

                                Still maintain that it shouldn't of been thrown.

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