Paea, FPN & Koops... Newtown is thataway ---}

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One good attacking backrower wouldn't hurt. Someone like Pritchard, Blair or Bronson Harrison, a linebreaker with a bit of skill.

Symonds is a good hole-hitter off the bench, but Guerra and Conn are only solid without being outstanding, and both struggle to link up with their outside men. Cherrington is a huge talent, and would make a great inside man for SKD and Perrett to run off, but he isn't proven like Pritchard, Blair and Harrison are. All of those players are noted linebreakers with good offloads too.

As far as I am concerned, we are a few players short of a top pack:

8. Ryles
9.
10.
11.
12. Aubusson
13. Myles

14. Jones / Jorbs / Friend
15. Symonds
16. Waerea-Hargreaves
17. Nuuausala

That is a beauty of a bench IMO. The impact utility rake, the hole-hitting backrower, and two contrasting but strong Kiwi international props. The starting pack is the issue. Ryles is good but aging, Paea and Cherrington lacks consistency, Kouparitsas is rubbish, Takairangi and Kennedy are very raw and young, while Brunton, Guerra and Conn are solid but yet to show any brilliance.

thats why id seek to buy someone like tolman whose mobility and workrate would give a great balance to our frontrow and complete that dimension of the side and then as stated above, id like to see us persist with cornder, cherro, leilua, conn, guerra, lowe and even young atkinson. surely of that bunch at least one will come good.....

[Rooster_6]

One good attacking backrower wouldn't hurt. Someone like Pritchard, Blair or Bronson Harrison, a linebreaker with a bit of skill.

Symonds is a good hole-hitter off the bench, but Guerra and Conn are only solid without being outstanding, and both struggle to link up with their outside men. Cherrington is a huge talent, and would make a great inside man for SKD and Perrett to run off, but he isn't proven like Pritchard, Blair and Harrison are. All of those players are noted linebreakers with good offloads too.

As far as I am concerned, we are a few players short of a top pack:

8. Ryles
9.
10.
11.
12. Aubusson
13. Myles

14. Jones / Jorbs / Friend
15. Symonds
16. Waerea-Hargreaves
17. Nuuausala

That is a beauty of a bench IMO. The impact utility rake, the hole-hitting backrower, and two contrasting but strong Kiwi international props. The starting pack is the issue. Ryles is good but aging, Paea and Cherrington lacks consistency, Kouparitsas is rubbish, Takairangi and Kennedy are very raw and young, while Brunton, Guerra and Conn are solid but yet to show any brilliance.

I think you're underrating Conn, behind Ryles I think he has been our second best performing prop. It might not be his natural position but he's certainly a much better option currently than Paea imo. Although ideally we'd by a young workhorse for next season and develop one of Arona/Kennedy/Maliota.

I'm still not convinced that Hargreaves is a front rower, he played a large chunk of his junior career after switching from Union in the backrow. Have to admit I didn't catch a whole lot of it but plenty seem to think that it is his best position and I have to admit I could see him being devastating as a wide runner.

Certainly seems to have offloads in him and I think he was much more consistent in the backrow having just looked at his NYC stats...

http://203.166.101.37/NYC/index.html

[Guest]

2 stray passes please... the only time the ruck was dominated was when we had a front row of FPN, Koops & Paea... All 3 were shocking & worthless.

Bigfella, 1 stray pass... Your an idiot, there were 2 tries scored while these 3 were off the field in the second half. And that was the turning point of the game, get your facts right cause it sounds like you weren't watching

[melon....]

Koops - the sooner he is playing for Newtown the better - sorry Jets supporters
FPN - he played OK but Ryles and JWH showed him and Paea how it's done
Paea - oh how I wish you would show the form of old
Brian Smith - why do you persist with playing FPN and Paea at the same time?

The Roosters are getting NOTHING offensively out of the #9 at the moment and this really needs to be fixed.

Martin Keneddy showed more in one game with a dud knee than the coconut brothers have shown all year. They must be split up. Id start with Ryles and FPN, then swap for JWH and Lopini, until kennedy comes back, then either of Frank Paul the Butter Ball or Danny Glover must go.

Brunton looks like an 80 minute hooker to me. Id focus on a bench with 2 props and 2 backrowers.

[melon....]

thats why id seek to buy someone like tolman whose mobility and workrate would give a great balance to our frontrow and complete that dimension of the side and then as stated above, id like to see us persist with cornder, cherro, leilua, conn, guerra, lowe and even young atkinson. surely of that bunch at least one will come good.....

Tolman is now a major liability with a season ending injury. If he comes back it will take time, maybe even an entire season to get going again.

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Martin Keneddy showed more in one game with a dud knee than the coconut brothers have shown all year. They must be split up. Id start with Ryles and FPN, then swap for JWH and Lopini, until kennedy comes back, then either of Frank Paul the Butter Ball or Danny Glover must go.

Brunton looks like an 80 minute hooker to me. Id focus on a bench with 2 props and 2 backrowers.

You are right, except I would start Paea and bench FPN. Paea has more to prove, throw him in the deep end.

For the bench, well I still think we should carry a utility like Jones. Brunton was the sort of player who in the NYC would pair up with the more nippy and incisive Samuela. Speaking of which, Samuela had a blinder last week too. Drop Koops, start Brunton, bring in Samuela.

It would at least make our DH runs look a bit more dangerous, while Friend and Jorbs are unavailable, Fepuleai is out of favour, and Jones is in the backline. Kouparitsas should never play hooker again. I believe he is in the top 10 in the NRL for missed tackles, and it isn't like he is making alot either.

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Bigfella, 1 stray pass... Your an idiot, there were 2 tries scored while these 3 were off the field in the second half. And that was the turning point of the game, get your facts right cause it sounds like you weren't watching

That stray pass into FPN could not be attributed to Kouparitsas.

Deadset, the coconut ran into the passing channel to Pearce on the last tackle. Ridiculous.

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Martin Keneddy showed more in one game with a dud knee than the coconut brothers have shown all year. They must be split up. Id start with Ryles and FPN, then swap for JWH and Lopini, until kennedy comes back, then either of Frank Paul the Butter Ball or Danny Glover must go.

Brunton looks like an 80 minute hooker to me. Id focus on a bench with 2 props and 2 backrowers.

Starting with both the coco-bro's gives us no impact. They are just too predictable and too similar as players. When was the last time FPN made even a half break? One or both off the bench.

JWH will become our version of Frank Pritchard, big, mobile, tough and the go-to-man when things get tough. I think his best position is 2nd row.

I like the toughness of the Conn, maybe starting props, Ryles and Conn, with the coco-bro's and JWH off the bench.

Koops is no hooker, a 2nd rower AT BEST. Brunton looked impressive.


Crikey.

[BUDDY]

Starting with both the coco-bro's gives us no impact. They are just too predictable and too similar as players. When was the last time FPN made even a half break? One or both off the bench.

JWH will become our version of Frank Pritchard, big, mobile, tough and the go-to-man when things get tough. I think his best position is 2nd row.

I like the toughness of the Conn, maybe starting props, Ryles and Conn, with the coco-bro's and JWH off the bench.

Koops is no hooker, a 2nd rower AT BEST. Brunton looked impressive.


Crikey.

I think we need to find an 80 minute hooker. You look at Farah, Ennis, Smith, Ballin, Nathan Friend, Luke. They can all play 80 minutes. I think Friend can play 80 minutes and Brunton also looks like he may last the whole game. It definately would give better rotational options for our forwards and we can limit Koups to defending and keeping his hands (and feet) off the ball as much as we can.

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Starting with both the coco-bro's gives us no impact. They are just too predictable and too similar as players. When was the last time FPN made even a half break? One or both off the bench.

JWH will become our version of Frank Pritchard, big, mobile, tough and the go-to-man when things get tough. I think his best position is 2nd row.

I like the toughness of the Conn, maybe starting props, Ryles and Conn, with the coco-bro's and JWH off the bench.

Koops is no hooker, a 2nd rower AT BEST. Brunton looked impressive.


Crikey.

Disagreed, I think he isn't laterally mobile enough to play out wide, and is a brute of a man built for the front row. Cherrington, Guerra and Symonds are more backrow style players.

I reckon a right hand fringe of Cherrington, SKD and Perrett, when at full strength, could be our go-to side for attacking raids. Assuming we don't put in to chase someone like Harrison, Pritchard or Blair, who are in similar styles to Cherrington, then we can have Carney doing what he does best, which is wrapping around the back of play, setting up Cherro for a big angled run where he can draw defenders and create space for SKD and Perrett who, for all their mistakes, are probably our best linebreaking backs.

I think the problem with Morbs and Guerra is that their lack of size means that they don't demand huge attention from opposition defense. Their smaller size makes them more likely to break the line themselves, but in terms of drawing and passing, I don't think defenders will flood in to stop these blokes the way they would for Cherrington.

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Disagreed, I think he isn't laterally mobile enough to play out wide, and is a brute of a man built for the front row. Cherrington, Guerra and Symonds are more backrow style players.

I reckon a right hand fringe of Cherrington, SKD and Perrett, when at full strength, could be our go-to side for attacking raids. Assuming we don't put in to chase someone like Harrison, Pritchard or Blair, who are in similar styles to Cherrington, then we can have Carney doing what he does best, which is wrapping around the back of play, setting up Cherro for a big angled run where he can draw defenders and create space for SKD and Perrett who, for all their mistakes, are probably our best linebreaking backs.

I think the problem with Morbs and Guerra is that their lack of size means that they don't demand huge attention from opposition defense. Their smaller size makes them more likely to break the line themselves, but in terms of drawing and passing, I don't think defenders will flood in to stop these blokes the way they would for Cherrington.

I don't understand your love for Cherro. He really hasn't shown anything except lazy defence and maybe straight hole running. I certainly wouldn't be hinging our future on him.

Also, if our Fringe consists of Cherrigton, SKD, Perret we are farked.


PS Guerra is by no means small, and Cherro is not as big as made out.

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You are right, except I would start Paea and bench FPN. Paea has more to prove, throw him in the deep end.

For the bench, well I still think we should carry a utility like Jones. Brunton was the sort of player who in the NYC would pair up with the more nippy and incisive Samuela. Speaking of which, Samuela had a blinder last week too. Drop Koops, start Brunton, bring in Samuela.

It would at least make our DH runs look a bit more dangerous, while Friend and Jorbs are unavailable, Fepuleai is out of favour, and Jones is in the backline. Kouparitsas should never play hooker again. I believe he is in the top 10 in the NRL for missed tackles, and it isn't like he is making alot either.

I quite like the impact Sam Brunton brings from the bench. I don't really mind Kouparitsis. He is playing out of position and filling in at hooker and he is doing the job if you ask me. But I think it's time Olireti Samuela moves up into the NRL team. He has been in good form and would definitely add a bit of skill to the ruck. I didn't mind Daniel Fepulaei either. Ashame he hasn't been given more of a chance.

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I don't understand your love for Cherro. He really hasn't shown anything except lazy defence and maybe straight hole running. I certainly wouldn't be hinging our future on him.

Also, if our Fringe consists of Cherrigton, SKD, Perret we are farked.


PS Guerra is by no means small, and Cherro is not as big as made out.

Cherrington is massive mate. Him, Ryles and JWH are the biggest guys we have. Cherro does have lazy defense, but his running game is very good IMO, and Guerra plays well below his weight if he is 'big'. He is a hard worker, but doesn't really threaten the line or break through tackles.

[Guest]

I've had the pleasure of meeting Cherrington, he is a tall-ish lad, maybe that attributes to your perception.

I don't know, for mine he isn't that lean to be considered massive.

Petero - now there's a massive bloke.

[Rooster_6]

I don't understand your love for Cherro. He really hasn't shown anything except lazy defence and maybe straight hole running. I certainly wouldn't be hinging our future on him.

Also, if our Fringe consists of Cherrigton, SKD, Perret we are farked.


PS Guerra is by no means small, and Cherro is not as big as made out.

Guerra and Cherrington are very similar in stature, Cherro just carries a bit more weight and muscle.