Skd - the final chapter

[Guest]

See this is where it has gone way over your head.

the comparison is in the time it has taken for the talent to shine though and become consistant.

vatuvai came into his own in the back end of 2008/2009 season, nearly 4 years after he started.

SKD has been in first grade for 3 years and in his second year was one of the top try scorers in the NRL.

it's funny that last week, names like yours were no where to be found.

Incorrect, Vatuvei STILL has problems with his hands. He is STILL noted to make stupid mistakes yet his solid attacking ability and the fact that he makes the right decisions whilst on the wing has made him the player he is.

Kenny-Dumb makes both woeful decisions in attack and defence. For every try Kenny-Dumb scores, he'll give up a few in return.

And Luigi, I'm always around

[supermario]

Incorrect, Vatuvei STILL has problems with his hands. He is STILL noted to make stupid mistakes yet his solid attacking ability and the fact that he makes the right decisions whilst on the wing has made him the player he is.

Kenny-Dumb makes both woeful decisions in attack and defence. For every try Kenny-Dumb scores, he'll give up a few in return.

And Luigi, I'm always around

so you are saying that i am stupid for comparing Vatuvai and SKD, yet you are more that hhappy to compare the 2 players yourself???

Get your hand off it.

[Guest]

so you are saying that i am stupid for comparing Vatuvai and SKD, yet you are more that hhappy to compare the 2 players yourself???

Get your hand off it.

Incorrect, I am disputing your comparisons of both players.

The fact that you'd even put Vatuvei's name in the same breath as Kenny-Dumb's is comedic at best.

Manu: 99 games played, 65 tries, 17 tests with 11 tries
Kenny Dumb: 69 games played, 42 tries, 1 test

There is ABSOLUTELY no comparison Luigi. Absolutely none.

As I said, Manu STILL to this day has bad hands.

[supermario]

Incorrect, I am disputing your comparisons of both players.

The fact that you'd even put Vatuvei's name in the same breath as Kenny-Dumb's is comedic at best.

Manu: 99 games played, 65 tries, 17 tests with 11 tries
Kenny Dumb: 69 games played, 42 tries, 1 test

There is ABSOLUTELY no comparison Luigi. Absolutely none.

As I said, Manu STILL to this day has bad hands.

Why is there no comparison? because the comparison does not suit you???

With 30 games difference there is only 20 tries between the 2.

but aside from that, you are still missing the point. It took a good 3 - 4 years to be considered a strong attacking force, it took a good 3 - 4 years for him to be considered a regular in the NZ test side.

The comparison is valid. We are already seeing a positive change in SKD general play.

like i said to you before, get your hand off it.

[Guest]

Why is there no comparison? because the comparison does not suit you???

With 30 games difference there is only 20 tries between the 2.

but aside from that, you are still missing the point. It took a good 3 - 4 years to be considered a strong attacking force, it took a good 3 - 4 years for him to be considered a regular in the NZ test side.

The comparison is valid. We are already seeing a positive change in SKD general play.

like i said to you before, get your hand off it.

I love how you conveniently chose to ignore the fact that Manu has 16 more tests to his name when you were "choosing" to shut down my facts A typical Luigi reply.

No no, I've seen the point, and I still to this very minute find it comedic. It took Manu 3-4 years for him to be considered an attacking force? Are you kidding me? Manu when he first came into the league was already being hyped up as something big in attack. It's took Manu a good 3-4 years to get his defensive game in tact, sure. He was found out alot early in his career. Though right now, HE STILL HAS SHITE hands. You're not making any points Luigi, other than your love affair with the dumb one being as obsessive as that Soliola loving bloke.

It's a bloody worry.

The Dumb one has had 3 years in the league, and still struggles to hold onto the ball, defend, and STILL consistently makes stupid mistakes.

As I said, there is no comparison.

[supermario]

I love how you conveniently chose to ignore the fact that Manu has 16 more tests to his name when you were "choosing" to shut down my facts A typical Luigi reply.

No no, I've seen the point, and I still to this very minute find it comedic. It took Manu 3-4 years for him to be considered an attacking force? Are you kidding me? Manu when he first came into the league was already being hyped up as something big in attack. It's took Manu a good 3-4 years to get his defensive game in tact, sure. He was found out alot early in his career. Though right now, HE STILL HAS SHITE hands. You're not making any points Luigi, other than your love affair with the dumb one being as obsessive as that Soliola loving bloke.

It's a bloody worry.

The Dumb one has had 3 years in the league, and still struggles to hold onto the ball, defend, and STILL consistently makes stupid mistakes.

As I said, there is no comparison.

your aguments about tests is shoody at best, SKD played his first test in 2007, the same year he debuted in First grade, He missed out in 2008 due to injury. In 2009 he was in the train on squad for the Kiwis and was 18th man for the Anzac test . i think the fact that firstly Vatuvai has been playing since 2004 lends to the fact that he has had more chance to play more games in his test role.

In the "Dumb one's" 3 years in league:

2007
SKD: 14 games 8 tries
Vatuvai: 23 games 10 tries

2008
SKD: 19 games 15 tries
Vatuvai: 17 games 16 tries

2009
SKD: 24 games 14 tries
vatuvai: 19 games 13 tries

These are figures for the past 3 seasons. these are figures that compare a rookie SKD in 2007 to a vatuvei who had been playing league for 3 years already in 2007.

My point, which you again are totally missing, and you points about vatuvei's test apperances compliment this, is that SKD has the talent and skill to be one of the best centres that both NZ and the Roosters have seen, only thing, it is taking time to show.

it is as clear as day that this guy has the talent to play, we have seen the most of it this season. no doubt he makes mistakes, hell i called the NQLD game this season as his WORST of his career.

If you want to be part of the bandwagon that want SKD cut loose, untill that day comes, if it does come at all, suck it up and cop it on the chin, he will continue to play for the roosters.

[Guest]

your aguments about tests is shoody at best,

Really? From where I see it, Manu has 16 tests on the dumb one. How is that, as you call it, "shoody" ???

SKD played his first test in 2007, the same year he debuted in First grade, He missed out in 2008 due to injury. In 2009 he was in the train on squad for the Kiwis and was 18th man for the Anzac test . i think the fact that firstly Vatuvai has been playing since 2004 lends to the fact that he has had more chance to play more games in his test role.

Let's see, should I go into the amount of times Manu has missed test match football because of injury? He'd be close to 20-25 games for the kiwi's now if he hadnt missed so much time off with injury. Re: Dumb One: How is 'making the train on squad' a legit argument Luigi? They select 40 players every year when it comes to the tri nations/four nations. Christ, they're that thin in depth over there that the local coconut down the street could get a run on in that squad. Your point, as usual, is dribble. Next

In the "Dumb one's" 3 years in league:

2007
SKD: 14 games 8 tries
Vatuvai: 23 games 10 tries

2008
SKD: 19 games 15 tries
Vatuvai: 17 games 16 tries

2009
SKD: 24 games 14 tries
vatuvai: 19 games 13 tries

Who in the blue hell (apart from you) cares about the dumb ones try scoring record? I think it's well established that the bloke can cross the line. The problem? It's how many mistakes he makes. And we're not just talking about the simple dropped ball.

Dumb one's ability to find the mistake.

1. Terrible defensive awareness
2. The obsession with the intercept that 80% of the time he'll miss
3. Terrible hands
4. The ability to make a break, then blow it by either dropping the ball, throwing it off the ground whilst held, or take a kick in open pasture that leads to absolutely nothing. Last night? He added to his resume the ability to make a break, and fail to find his support runner who had a possible passage to the try line.
5. Ball hog

Manu's issues?

1. Bad hands
2. Bad under the high ball


I don't give a flying fark how many tries the dumb one scores, the amount of stupid, "where's my brain" moments he throws back out are certainly not worth the money we pay him.

These are figures for the past 3 seasons. these are figures that compare a rookie SKD in 2007 to a vatuvei who had been playing league for 3 years already in 2007.

Completely irrelevant to my argument.

My point, which you again are totally missing,

No no, in your OPINION I am missing the point. That's not a fact.

and you points about vatuvei's test apperances compliment this, is that SKD has the talent and skill to be one of the best centres that both NZ and the Roosters have seen, only thing, it is taking time to show.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Oh christ, and you say I have my hand on it?

it is as clear as day that this guy has the talent to play, we have seen the most of it this season. no doubt he makes mistakes, hell i called the NQLD game this season as his WORST of his career.

As I keep saying, he can attack but when one makes as many mistakes as he does, it basically cancels him out. He's a liability that must go for us to move forward.

If you want to be part of the bandwagon that want SKD cut loose,

Correction, I have and ALWAYS been a "dumb one" hater. It shall never change. There is no bandwagon.

untill that day comes, if it does come at all, suck it up and cop it on the chin, he will continue to play for the roosters.

Oh I can deal with it, I mean christ, I've had to watch his mediocrity for three years now. That'll continue until the club figures out that he's useless. Unfortunately, I, like alot of fans will have to continue to put up with this "reserve grade" ball skill/judgement and the continual "heart in mouth" stuff which will always see our club come off as second best until he's out the door.

The dumb one is one of the BIGGEST reasons we're so inconsistent.

If he's on the wing, he'll go for the intercept.
If he's in the centres, he'll make terrible defensive reads or make stupid decisions with the ball in hand more.

THIS, is what we'll always get with:

THE DUMB ONE

[supermario]

Thats fine SKD, i hope you like being called SKD, i glad that i wasted plently of your time to actually write that.

i will keep this post in mind..................

Thankyou very much for this.

my reply will come in time.

[Guest]

Mario, I am always happy to be proven wrong and I came into this season with high hopes for SKD at centre.

It's the same old SKD though.

The second after he threw the ball into the ground in a clear 3on1 situation against Canberra, I have lost hope in this bloke.

Yesterday was nearly identical to a point where it became comical.

[Guest]

Thats fine SKD, i hope you like being called SKD, i glad that i wasted plently of your time to actually write that.

i will keep this post in mind..................

Thankyou very much for this.

my reply will come in time.

I'll always be your:

[Guest]

your aguments about tests is shoody at best, SKD played his first test in 2007, the same year he debuted in First grade, He missed out in 2008 due to injury. In 2009 he was in the train on squad for the Kiwis and was 18th man for the Anzac test . i think the fact that firstly Vatuvai has been playing since 2004 lends to the fact that he has had more chance to play more games in his test role.

In the "Dumb one's" 3 years in league:

2007
SKD: 14 games 8 tries
Vatuvai: 23 games 10 tries

2008
SKD: 19 games 15 tries
Vatuvai: 17 games 16 tries

2009
SKD: 24 games 14 tries
vatuvai: 19 games 13 tries

These are figures for the past 3 seasons. these are figures that compare a rookie SKD in 2007 to a vatuvei who had been playing league for 3 years already in 2007.

My point, which you again are totally missing, and you points about vatuvei's test apperances compliment this, is that SKD has the talent and skill to be one of the best centres that both NZ and the Roosters have seen, only thing, it is taking time to show.

it is as clear as day that this guy has the talent to play, we have seen the most of it this season. no doubt he makes mistakes, hell i called the NQLD game this season as his WORST of his career.

If you want to be part of the bandwagon that want SKD cut loose, untill that day comes, if it does come at all, suck it up and cop it on the chin, he will continue to play for the roosters.

im with you mario. what the haters are missing are a couple of things. firstly, we are under no illusion as to his shortcomings and inadequacies. secondly, what skd brings to the side are things that cant be taught. his shortcomings are all things that can be taught and that generally develop along with experience. The kid can bust tackles and the line better than anyone else in the comp, yes the comp. he lets himself down big time with silly passes, errors and poor reads. I think defensively he is improving and will come good in the centres so long as he has pearce and maubs around him who both defend quite well they are quite strong defensively as a trio imo. he just needs someone outside him that he can build a combination up with. atm having him and sammy together is hurting us - both can produce dumb errors/be inconsistent and neither of them is a genuine speedster. put someone smart outside skid with a clean pair of heels and they would have a field day as SKD always attracts a few defenders and gets his arm free.

Yes he is hurting us a bit atm etc but no matter how much first grade he plays, these things can be coached out of him along with a bit of confidence and experience. imo if our team on the whole can get a bit of consistency and storm-like clinicalness about it these sorts of errors will start to fall out of his game as well. he shits me just as much as he shits the rest of you but the way he scores, makes ground and leaves players in his wake are sights to behold and all i can say is id rather he was doing in in the RWB then coming up against us.

btw it was trialled a couple of years ago but would anyone else be interested to see sammy come back into the centres? His defence was a bit weak but he has a bit more experience and has bulked up a bit since then and imo could be a decent option. throw someone like graham outside him who is also capable defensively and could make for an interesting combo. He does make great ground, can bust tackles and has pretty good ball skills. he can also hit a hole really well on the edges and lets be honest, he hasnt got a hope at wearing the 1 at the roosters with carney there atm whether his form warrants it or not and dugan on the way and imo he is a but small/slow to play wing so centre is really the go for him imo. could be worth a punt i reckon.......

[Guest]

Mario, I am always happy to be proven wrong and I came into this season with high hopes for SKD at centre.

It's the same old SKD though.

The second after he threw the ball into the ground in a clear 3on1 situation against Canberra, I have lost hope in this bloke.

Yesterday was nearly identical to a point where it became comical.

the thing that we neglect to consider though is that if it wasnt for his excellent ability to break tackles and the line there would not have been a 3 on one anyway this is the thing. his crappy draw and pass etc is simply a lack of awareness and he is just an unpolished footballer atm but the fact that he is getting himslef and our side into positions where he has broken the line, created overlaps etc is testament to his ability. he has it in him i just hope like hell smith can get the best out of him

[supermario]

I'll always be your:

you know the funny thing SKD, SUPERMARIO always beats bowser.

and Supermario always get the princess in the end !

[Guest]

the thing that we neglect to consider though is that if it wasnt for his excellent ability to break tackles and the line there would not have been a 3 on one anyway this is the thing. his crappy draw and pass etc is simply a lack of awareness and he is just an unpolished footballer atm but the fact that he is getting himslef and our side into positions where he has broken the line, created overlaps etc is testament to his ability. he has it in him i just hope like hell smith can get the best out of him

Whilst you can't teach an individual speed and the ability to break a tackle, the same can be said for awareness. If you're "literally" dumb, you just can't comprehend what you're being teached.

Make no mistake about it, Shaun is dumb. He's not the smartest of individuals out there.

[Guest]

you know the funny thing SKD, SUPERMARIO always beats bowser.

and Supermario always get the princess in the end !

Bowser still lives Luigi, just like Mario