Why a 4 year contract is bad business

[Guest]

The club would not exist without him


But that was then and this is now.


In 2 years there will be a heap more cash around and whomever is standing will ensure survival.

No more propping up needed.

I think Nick is a legend but I simply do not respect his stand on recruitment of coaches.

Since 2000
a)Graham Murray sacked
b)Ricky Stuart sacked
c)Brad Fittler sacked.

Sign Smith for 4 years,..........

I am sure Nick is a top bloke and a very generous one.
But I see a different game of footy to him and I think that at times Gould and himself are seen as some unfallable force that can do no wrong.

Its crap, if you look at the facts.

Nick is no cancer, he is a hero.
But some of you are so easy pleased it makes me laugh.

I agree with this. Nick is a legend and should be credited for alot of the roosters success. However, I don't buy the theory that the roosters will be gone without him.

As chairman, he should have ensured the club has the financial strength to survive and not be reliant on one person. If we are reliant on him as most make out, he should be gone for that fact alone

[Tom Verlaine's Ghost]

b)the fact that you could not see that Fittler was rejected by Nick makes you even more stupid
FFS!!!!

Being sacked by Nick Politis makes Brad Fittler - club legend - a pariah? I wonder what Nick Politis would say to you about that? I reckon he might question your support of this club.

[Cockadoodledoo]

I agree with this. Nick is a legend and should be credited for alot of the roosters success. However, I don't buy the theory that the roosters will be gone without him.

As chairman, he should have ensured the club has the financial strength to survive and not be reliant on one person. If we are reliant on him as most make out, he should be gone for that fact alone

Excellent point.. If the clubs survival is still reliant on Nick then he has failed.. For the record I think it would survive without him.

[Cockadoodledoo]

as I said Brain,
an a grade ****wit.

obviously you have no ability to rationally respond to the points I made.. Weren't you some alter ego of some Matthew Corner guy? I thought even he use to make more sense than you.

[Vasco]

Being sacked by Nick Politis makes Brad Fittler - club legend - a pariah? I wonder what Nick Politis would say to you about that? I reckon he might question your support of this club.

Fittler had lost the support of most of his players and the support staff.

[Tom Verlaine's Ghost]

Fittler had lost the support of most of his players and the support staff.

Even if that's true - and I'd wager against it not being true - that doesn't make him a pariah. Take Mason out of the equation and we may have had a different season. Whatever Fittler's faults, he remains the only coach to have delivered us a finals birth in the last six seasons.

[trewhella]

hey trewhellawanka, one thing I have learnt is never pay attention to someone who supports a club and works for another and a basket case of a club at that and then spruiking the credentials of a dud coach from another club.. The Dragon's Toyota Cup side are running 13th lol with the best junior nursery in the league. I guess a massive accomplishment given his performance at the Roosters taking them to a spoon. I am sure you have better credentials at identifying a coach than Phil Gould.. I am sure your resume out does his..

I am going to appease you.

The season in the U2s is not over. If you check the results you will see that Saints have beaten all the top sides but lost games they should have won.

The best junior nursery is Parrammatta-incorrect statement
Lam was not head coach when the chooks got the spoon. In fact, he came in the last 4 weeks only-so once again your statement is incorrect.
Phil Gould is very bright but he is also up and down like a yoyo. He has amazing insight that is flawed by his narcisistic traits. I personally find him highly entertaining. He has a far greater resume than me but I have a right to an opinion do I not??

And meathead dont think that you know anything about my personal life.
You know jack shit about me.

[trewhella]

I don't think it is possible to leave it in a worse shape but seriously Smith has inherited a complete basket case of a club that has been mismanaged at every level. He needs time to clean out the garbage and bring in his own players.. This was always going to be a 4 year project at a minimum.. If he got a 2 year deal the incentive would be there to cut corners to try and achieve instant success, this has been our downfall in the past. In order to build the club a 4 year deal was fair enough.

Did Smith inherit Newcastle in bad shape??
Why did he turn things around so quickly??
Dont we have a recruitment legend in Peter O Sullivan??
A 4 year deal is fair enough.....to win a premiership. That is my point you drongo.

[Cockadoodledoo]

I am going to appease you.

The season in the U2s is not over. If you check the results you will see that Saints have beaten all the top sides but lost games they should have won.

The best junior nursery is Parrammatta-incorrect statement
Lam was not head coach when the chooks got the spoon. In fact, he came in the last 4 weeks only-so once again your statement is incorrect.
Phil Gould is very bright but he is also up and down like a yoyo. He has amazing insight that is flawed by his narcisistic traits. I personally find him highly entertaining. He has a far greater resume than me but I have a right to an opinion do I not??

And meathead dont think that you know anything about my personal life.
You know jack shit about me.

Lam was axed and replaced by Scott Murray about 2 years back and they were running last, I think tbh they actually ended up second last so I am incorrect i admit. Better comeback but at the end of the day I am happy to support the clubs decision to recruit Brian Smith and if you expected us to run any better than we are now and yes we are bloody frustrating then you were kidding yourself.

[Billy Gunn]

Believe it or not,

Ive seen many a coach.

The hard arses, the "best mate", the tactitian, the motivator.

All of them have their strengths and their weaknesses.

To me its all about timing.
The best administrators need to make the right decisions at any given time for what is needed.

We sign a man who has never won a comp in 21 years of trying.
We sign him on the basis of a Phil Gould recommendation who sees him as some replacement for the pariah, Fittler.


I just know in my bones it is the wrong decision.
Not for choice, just for the duration.

I will guarantee that the best year Smith has with our beloved club is 2014.
Just in time to renew his contract.
We might finish second, third or fourth.

Then the merry go round goes round again.


If this happens, I will have lost all respect for Nick Politis.
Word.
And if it does, for the first time in my life I will ask for his head.
Because if you want to sign a man who has never won a comp in 21 years of trying it better be in the first 4 years of his ****ing contract.

Good post and interesting position

I guess I was the same as you when we signed Smith, here is a guy who hasn't ever achieved the holy grail n 20 plus years of trying but he has and remained in demand for all those years so you have to agree he offers something.

You rightly point out that we are a club that has sacked 4 coaches and had 4 different coaches in 5 years so why sign a guy to a 4 year $2m contract.

I guess from where we were at last year and the state the club was in who do you think would have been a better choice for coach? I believe smith was chosen for his discipline and based on our form with Coaches I can see why he wanted a long deal....wouldn't you based on where we were at?

It may take 4 years to get a team worthy of challenging for the title but I don't think Smith is the kind of guy to build slowly, he want success as much as we do....

The incentive for Politis to stay out of day to day and recruitment is that if things go pear shape with Smith, it;s a lot of cash to spend to sack him.

[trewhella]

I guess that is the point mate,
From what I can understand Smith is trying to become not just a better coach but also he is probably sick of playing the "bad" guy.
But deep down that is what we need.
We need to weed out the crap, roll some heads and get the job done.
Due to the length of his contract he can afford to be more affable. I think he is sick of being unpopular as well.
Wouldnt you be???

But like all things in footy it will eventually come down to the crunch and some unpopular decisions will have to be made. I just want to expediate the tough decisions.
Why??
Cause that is what he was hired to do.
A 4 year tenure never having won a comp at big dollars is one cushy deal.


The reason why I post this stuff is that everyone is so reactive at this joint.
After a win praise, after a loss bagging.
I dont want to going in circles for the next 8 years.
If Smith thinks he can win a comp.....fan..bloody...tastic!!!!
But do it in 4 years.

And BTW, Nick may have already said this to him.
I am just speculating.

[Guest]

We won the spoon last year and half our team was either injured, facing court or shitting in a hallway. It can't get any worse.

Remember back to the start of the season - NEW ATTITUDE, NEW BEGINNING.

The first 14 rounds of this season have showed that, both on and off the field.

Just wait...

[Billy Gunn]

I just hope Smith motivations to retire with a premiership is greater than his financial security. I would think he has done very well out of coaching.

I agree with the reactionary state of supporters, Nick included history suggests that iot takes a few years to build a team to challenge for the title and then you have one or two chances to get the title and then you start the process again.

The only two clubs who buck that trend have been either been owned by News or caught cheating. Smith has got several clubs to that point but has been unable to get them over the line. The positive part of me hopes that he will get there this time.

[Cockadoodledoo]

The season in the U2s is not over. If you check the results you will see that Saints have beaten all the top sides but lost games they should have won.

I did and that is a straight out lie. Their record against current top 8 teams is one win for five losses. You either resort to abuse or lying.

Matches v Top 8 teams

Cowboys (4th) 6-30
Broncos (8th) 14-26
Roosters (1st) 22-54
Sea Eagles (5th) 22-14
Raiders (6th) 20-28
Warriors (7th) 0-19

[Kingbilly]

The saints also have had a bucket load of injuries in the U20s