"Duty of Care"

[Guest]

Politis and Noyce claim that the club owes Carney a "duty of care".

Seriously, has anyone heard of anything so ridiculous?

The club's duty of care does not extend to rehabilitating delinquent behaviour and there would be no breach if the club were to suspend him for the entire season or sack him.

The club's (mis)management of Carney is disgraceful.

I think Politis and Noyce owe the club a "duty of care" and should step down.

Please discuss.

Objective View

[alex0063]

I think the club does need to give him a duty of care just like any other workplace in the world this is his job. If the roosters didnt try to help him with him problems he might have gotten worst and if he has got depression issue he may have been lead to harm to himself. With the club standing behind him he still has some form of support in his life atm the best thing us as fan can do for Carney is to support him 110% and when he gets back to playing he can thank us then

[Geohood]

I vote: Ban this guy, and his other account.

[supermario]

Well this is a user name we haven't seen for a while.

Objective view, talk alot, no solutions given, i see you haven't changed.

Well yes the club have a duty of care. Carney is injured, if you recall, he still does have a groin injury. The club has a duty of care to all players that they are fit and well to play. that includes caring for injuries.

Obviously carney has a problem with not being able to play and his "mind wanders".

Any employer has a duty of care to their employees, to offer any assistance possible to have them perform at their best. this includes offering assistance/counselling or provide performance review/management when an employee is not performing.

The club, or as you so pointed out, politis and Noyce, have done this.

And in the end, you can lead a horse to water........well you know the saying, some of the onus comes upon the person with the issues, be it injury issues, Attitude issues, addiction issues or control issues.

Can you point out on which parts have the club mis managed carney?

[Guest]

Do you really think duty of care extends to behavioural issues?

At what point does this supposed duty cease?

By your logic, no player deserves the sack.

It'll be interesting to see if this duty of care will be extended to Watts?

Objective View

[Guest]

OV

so whats your real agenda?

You don't need to be Einstein to work out that Carney is one of our best players and it is in our interests to get him right to win us football games.

Regardless of the Watts situation, is it any skin off your nose if the club decides to help Carney and attributes it to a duty of care?

Anyway, carneys latest incident warrants suspension, not being sacked- something that would probably please you.

[supermario]

Do you really think duty of care extends to behavioural issues?

At what point does this supposed duty cease?

By your logic, no player deserves the sack.

It'll be interesting to see if this duty of care will be extended to Watts?

Objective View

See, this is where you need to learn to read.

And in the end, you can lead a horse to water........well you know the saying, some of the onus comes upon the person with the issues, be it injury issues, Attitude issues, addiction issues or control issues.

This is where performance reviews and performance management comes into it. Management can only do so much before the onus is on the person in question to perform.

if they don't management can get rid of them, via the correct avenues.

As to Watts, it has been so far, then again, he was the one charged with assult on that night, Todd wasn't.

[Guest]

My issue is the stupidity of "duty of care" argument.

I don't think Carney should be sacked by the way. But he most certainly should be suspended for, say, 12 weeks. He should have been suspended for his DUI offence also. But to say the club will be guided by "medical advice" (read - get him back playing in a few weeks), is a totally weak response.

It's fine for the club to do everything to keep a top line player, but some discipline must surely come into the equation?

If Politis and Noyce are so ineffective in managing this player, is it a surprise that on field performances lack discipline too?

And to reiterate, I haven't heard of anything more ridiculous than "duty of care" argument to hold onto a player. Politis and Noyce should simply say that Carney is too important to us and he can essentially do whatever he pleases, within reason.

If this is too embarassing for them, let the player go. BUt "duty of care" argument will only appease the intellectually bankrupt, which, I gues, makes up most of this forum.

Objective View

[supermario]

Lets really drill down to it.

Would you be happy if the club let Carney go, only to be picked up by another club ??? Regardless of form and issues??

I would not be and i am glad that the club has acted the way they have. carney now has a chance to face his problems, re coup, get fit and make a return to football.

If it takes 12 weeks so be it, if it is sooner, so be it

in reality, if you have the skill, you are given the opportunities, while it may not be morally correct, it is the way the world works.

[Guest]

Supermario

And how many times do you wish this horse to be lead to the water?

If there aren't supporters who can criticise management on an issue like this, the club is in serious trouble.

Politis and Noyce must love this apathetic, compliant nature of it's supporter base. The problem is, real change will never be effected.

Objective View

[Guest]

Carney "now has a chance to face his problems". Hahaha, good one.

The problem is he's been "facing his problems" for years.

All I'm asking is that the club install discipline. Politis and Noyce are incapable of doing so.

Objective View

[supermario]

And what sort of dicipline do you want???

you are calling for heads, you claim that politis and noyce and incapable of instilling dicipline, so what do you want ?

You have stated that you are happy carney was not sacked. you have stated you are happy with his suspension, which noyce and politis effected as punishment, so far they have done what you agree with....

what do you want?

[Guest]

Politis and Noyce have not effected punishment. That didn't do so with DUI offence and they haven't done so now.

What they've done is impose an 'indefinite' suspension to be guided by medical advice. This is code for a few weeks out.

That is not discipline, that is weak reactionary responses under the guise of "duty of care".

I want Politis to come out and say that Carney is suspended for 12 weeks and any further infraction will result in his sacking.

Can you see the difference?

Objective View

[Guest]

Hello Rebecca. How do you go through life with such an ugly hate-filled soul ? For shame that you'd rather see a young man's life completely and utterly destroyed than see him rehabilitated shows what an utterly abhorrent person you must be. Ugly to the core aint we ?

Want proof she's Rebecca ?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226043459889

Rebecca Wilson: Why Todd Carney's a Chook with nine lives


ARE the Roosters unlucky, or are their latest dramas down to a deeper problem at the foundation club?

I DO a radio segment titled "Sin City" for a sports radio station in Melbourne.

Billy Idol's Hot In The City is the theme song for the SEN spot, during which two Melbourne sports journalists quiz me about the crazy nature of Sydney football and its troubled stars. There is certainly no lack of material.

This week the report sounded like the stuff of fiction. Arguably rugby league's biggest star is caught falling off the wagon in a bar owned by "Sydney nightclub identity" John Ibrahim. He is accompanied by another elite footballer who later allegedly viciously assaulted his ex-girlfriend.

The story, though, is very true. The Sydney Roosters have indefinitely suspended Todd Carney and Anthony Watts for their sins. The interpretation of what appears, on the face of it, to be a similar penalty spells a completely different outcome for each player.


Watts' future at the club is in grave doubt, given he is a league journeyman carrying an injury who has a troubled history. He has been handed a breach notice - the beginning of the end. The charge of assault occasioning grievous bodily harm won't help his cause.

As for the superstar, Carney has once again been resuscitated. Because he did not engage in any anti-social behaviour as he careered off the wagon, the general consensus from league bosses was that he deserved another chance at redemption.Carney and his associates claimed the self-confessed alcoholic was merely issuing a "cry for help", that he was suffering from depression and that, if he was cut, his very welfare was at stake.

I have heard of genuine cries for help before but rarely from the confines of a swish Kings Cross nightclub.

Roosters chairman Nick Politis ruled from his holiday pad in the Greek islands that the club had a "duty of care" to Carney. They apparently have no such duty to Watts.

Todd Carney is the cat with nine lives. A little more than a week ago, he told a magistrate who contemplated sending him to jail that he would never put a foot wrong again. What followed was an act of total betrayal.

His so-called depression got the better of him when he changed his story to the club last Saturday night before the game against the Broncos in Gosford.

After being ruled out with a groin injury from the game against the Broncos, Carney told the club he would not travel with the team to the match. Instead, he said, he would go home to see his mum. He did not make the trip.

He claims he was sitting in his lounge room when he received numerous text messages from Watts, strongly urging him to join him for a drink. He relented.

What transpired certainly made for an interesting radio segment.

Carney's indefinite suspension is meant to be interpreted as a lifeline for a very troubled young man - an act of compassion which should be applauded.

The moment the word depression was mentioned, we were all supposed to pull our heads in and not pass an iota of judgment on the league star or the club. The fact is Carney hasn't been officially diagnosed with the condition. He has just told everyone he is depressed.

Furthermore, the more cynical observer might suggest that if Carney was as limited in talent as Watts, he too might be facing the axe.

A Daily Telegraph poll of league fans voted overwhelmingly in favour of the club cutting Carney for good.

While Roosters chief executive Steve Noyce claimed only two fans had rung him threatening to withdraw their club memberships, a whopping 75 per cent of those who bothered voting in the poll thought he should be cut.

Alcoholism is a tough disease to beat and there is little doubt Carney is suffering from some form of it. But just how many times a professional football club can throw an elite player a lifeline is the real question here.

READ MARK GASNIER'S COLUMN ABOUT CARNEY HERE

The Roosters have had a shocking start to the season. They have reverted to their old culture, which is reflected in a lack of self-discipline on and off the field.Carney will play again, and probably very soon. Club bosses will say taking to the field is good therapy for him, and playing the game is an ideal remedy for his depression.

The truth is that a football club has once again given a superstar way too much leeway. Just like Brendan Fevola, Todd Carney will resurface and continue to cause grief.

He might win the team a few footy games, but as Carlton found out the hard way with Fevola, having dickheads in your side ultimately ruins the footy club.We will be saying "I told you so" in several months. Carney is a bad egg with immense talent. But he is a recidivist.

History dictates that his type is rarely worth the trouble.

wilsonr@dailytelegraph.com.au

[Headless Chook]

Objective View needs to change his/her moniker to Subjective View....bit of an agenda there I think.