Ball playing fullbacks Vs Ball runners

[2026]

And that's why using market values as some kind of guide to a players ability is so fundamentally flawed and removed of all basic logic. There's countless factors that go into a players market value and ability is only one of those.



Mistakes need to be put into perspective of touches not games, Coote has far more possessions of the ball than your average player. His workrate is up there with halves as far as touches go, it wasn't unusual to see him touch the ball more often than Michael Morgan, his 5/8 for example. So yes ball players are more prone to making errors, SBW was exactly the same. His error rate was extremely high for a second rower but when you compared how many touches of the ball he was having it really wasn't that high.



You obviously didn't watch much of Coote this year, some of his games his games this year where he was required to take multiple high balls were the best I've seen since Mini in his prime. He ranked 2nd in the NRL for bomb defusals (Dugan 41st).

I remember an absolute bludger of a game this year during the Origin period where the Tigers played the Cowboys out and Campbelltown and about the only good thing to come out of it was the exhibition Coote put on in how to defuse kicks.

But if you don't believe me I'll let Warren Smith tell you: https://youtu.be/J0ml_zf3yWM?t=2m8s

Dugan and Coote don't have issues like Barber so comparing them is just wrong.

Clearly Dugan is the better player!

I don't set the player market values which has Josh earning 400k plus a year more than Coote. What does this tell you?

Dugan has represented his state and country at senior level. Coote is not even in the conversation with both Teddy, Moylan and even B Stewart ahead of him.We may not always agree with selectors but to think your better qualified to select a rep team is just funny.

Since when is it acceptable to make errors in professional sport? This is why we bother training and have a coach. And who says Coote get's his hand on the ball more times than Dugan?

Coote decides to push a pass and loses possession and it's acceptable by you whilst Dugan get's crucified for pinning his ears back and running the ball meanwhile maintaining possession.I know which one i'd prefer!

Coote is an average NRL fullback with a premiers halo.

He's no better than the likes of Gordon or Hoffman.I'd gladly take any of the 3 listed as we don't have a FB but they're not better than Josh Dugan.

[roosterproud]

ahhh fcuk it lets just steal dugan and be done with it

[Andrew Walker]

Its an improvement on pub talk generation where a couple of VBs and who you support dictates your views.

Generally with or without the the VBs this site is exactly as you have put it above

[Rooster_6]

Dugan and Coote don't have issues like Barber so comparing them is just wrong.

Clearly Dugan is the better player!

I don't set the player market values which has Josh earning 400k plus a year more than Coote. What does this tell you?

If you can't see how using market values as a measure of ability is flawed then there's nothing I can do to show you that but you can't just apply context as you wish. I agree with you about Ben Barba (please learn to spell it right) no longer being worth the contract he signed which is why your post is so flawed.

Dugan has represented his state and country at senior level. Coote is not even in the conversation with both Teddy, Moylan and even B Stewart ahead of him.We may not always agree with selectors but to think your better qualified to select a rep team is just funny.

I think Michael Clarke's dog is better qualified to pick rep teams better than some current selectors. Don't fool yourself into thinking this is some sort of ego stroke.

But based on your logic I guess you believe Sione Matutai to be better than every other outside back who's yet to represent Australia too then on that logic? You don't see how that's flawed??

Since when is it acceptable to make errors in professional sport? This is why we bother training and have a coach. And who says Coote get's his hand on the ball more times than Dugan?

It's never acceptable to makes errors but it's a reality of any professional sport. Players are only human.

Look at the top 5 players who made errors this year;

1. Anthony Milford
2. Lachlan Coote
3. Benji Marshall
4. Gareth Widdop
5. James Maloney

Notice a pattern? All players who have extremely high touches of the ball and all players who are responsible in trying to create points for their teams. So whilst errors are never acceptable they're a reality for an professional athlete. And just like a player who makes 50 tackles a game is likely going to miss more tackles than a player who makes 20 tackles a game a player who touches the ball more times a game is likely to make more errors. That's just common sense...

No one here ever accepted Maloney's errors but no one criticised him either because for how many times he touched the ball it was that bad. When put into context everyone seemed to accept the fact that in attempt to create points for us which sometimes meant chancing his hand the reward was far greater than the risk. The same however can't be said for players like Chris Sandow.

Coote decides to push a pass and loses possession and it's acceptable by you whilst Dugan get's crucified for pinning his ears back and running the ball meanwhile maintaining possession.I know which one i'd prefer!

Well you're entitled to that opinion but I'd much rather the player who can pass than the hog every day of the week. I believe the best teams rely on interdependence not independence and there's a good reason why the Dragons ranked second last in points scored this year, only Penrith who were without their fullback and halves for the majority of the season managed to score less points.

Possession of the ball is only as useful as what you decide to do with it. We showed that in 2013 when we one the comp despite making more errors than any other side in the comp.

[2026]

If you can't see how using market values as a measure of ability is flawed then there's nothing I can do to show you that but you can't just apply context as you wish. I agree with you about Ben Barba (please learn to spell it right) no longer being worth the contract he signed which is why your post is so flawed.



I think Michael Clarke's dog is better qualified to pick rep teams better than some current selectors. Don't fool yourself into thinking this is some sort of ego stroke.

But based on your logic I guess you believe Sione Matutai to be better than every other outside back who's yet to represent Australia too then on that logic? You don't see how that's flawed??



It's never acceptable to makes errors but it's a reality of any professional sport. Players are only human.

Look at the top 5 players who made errors this year;

1. Anthony Milford
2. Lachlan Coote
3. Benji Marshall
4. Gareth Widdop
5. James Maloney

Notice a pattern? All players who have extremely high touches of the ball and all players who are responsible in trying to create points for their teams. So whilst errors are never acceptable they're a reality for an professional athlete. And just like a player who makes 50 tackles a game is likely going to miss more tackles than a player who makes 20 tackles a game a player who touches the ball more times a game is likely to make more errors. That's just common sense...

No one here ever accepted Maloney's errors but no one criticised him either because for how many times he touched the ball it was that bad. When put into context everyone seemed to accept the fact that in attempt to create points for us which sometimes meant chancing his hand the reward was far greater than the risk. The same however can't be said for players like Chris Sandow.



Well you're entitled to that opinion but I'd much rather the player who can pass than the hog every day of the week. I believe the best teams rely on interdependence not independence and there's a good reason why the Dragons ranked second last in points scored this year, only Penrith who were without their fullback and halves for the majority of the season managed to score less points.

Possession of the ball is only as useful as what you decide to do with it. We showed that in 2013 when we one the comp despite making more errors than any other side in the comp.

What's interesting in that list of 5 is that Coote is the only FB

[2026]

I've no issue with blooding young talent like Sione Matutai.

More of it please.

[2026]

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That should do it. I'll never get that wrong again.Thanks Miss

[Rooster_6]

What's interesting in that list of 5 is that Coote is the only FB

That's not surprising given he's involved as any half if not more.

Here's break down of possessions over the NTH QLD Finals games for the 3 major receivers from both sides:

Semi Final 1 (Broncos V Cobwoys)
1. Jonathan Thurston - 72 touches
2. Lachlan Coote - 56 touches
3. Ben Hunt - 45 touches
4. Michael Morgan - 39 touches
5. Anthony Milford - 35 touches
6. Darius Boyd - 32 touches

Semi Final 2 (Cowboys V Sharks)
1. Jonathan Thurston - 60 touches
2. Lachlan Coote - 37 touches
3. Jeff Robson - 33 touches
4. Jack Bird - 26 touches
5. Michael Gordon - 21 touches
6. Michael Morgan - 16 touches

Prelim Final (Melbourne V Cowboys)
1. Jonathan Thurston - 66 touches
2. Cooper Cronk - 50 touches
3. Lachlan Coote & Cameron Munster - 39 touches
5. Blake Green - 27 touches
6. Michael Morgan - 26 touches

Grand Final (Broncos V Cowboys)
1. Jonathan Thurston - 84 touches
2. Lachlan Coote - 56 touches
3. Ben Hunt - 46 touches
4. Michael Morgan - 42 touches
5. Anthony Milford - 32 touches
6. Darius Boyd - 29 touches


Keep convincing yourself that Lachlan Coote was a bit part player all you want. You're only fooling yourself.

[2026]

That's not surprising given he's involved as any half if not more.

Here's break down of possessions over the NTH QLD Finals games for the 3 major receivers from both sides:

Semi Final 1 (Broncos V Cobwoys)
1. Jonathan Thurston - 72 touches
2. Lachlan Coote - 56 touches
3. Ben Hunt - 45 touches
4. Michael Morgan - 39 touches
5. Anthony Milford - 35 touches
6. Darius Boyd - 32 touches

Semi Final 2 (Cowboys V Sharks)
1. Jonathan Thurston - 60 touches
2. Lachlan Coote - 37 touches
3. Jeff Robson - 33 touches
4. Jack Bird - 26 touches
5. Michael Gordon - 21 touches
6. Michael Morgan - 16 touches

Prelim Final (Melbourne V Cowboys)
1. Jonathan Thurston - 66 touches
2. Cooper Cronk - 50 touches
3. Lachlan Coote & Cameron Munster - 39 touches
5. Blake Green - 27 touches
6. Michael Morgan - 26 touches

Grand Final (Broncos V Cowboys)
1. Jonathan Thurston - 84 touches
2. Lachlan Coote - 56 touches
3. Ben Hunt - 46 touches
4. Michael Morgan - 42 touches
5. Anthony Milford - 32 touches
6. Darius Boyd - 29 touches


Keep convincing yourself that Lachlan Coote was a bit part player all you want. You're only fooling yourself.

He's a mistake freak. No other Fullback in the NRL is in that top 5 that you've listed

[2026]

He makes Martin Kennedy's hands look good.

[Rooster_6]

He's a mistake freak. No other Fullback in the NRL is in that top 5 that you've listed

Do you wear goggles to keep the sand out of your eyes?

[2026]

Do you wear goggles to keep the sand out of your eyes?

You should see how much sand comes out of my ears when i have them syringed.

He's a fullback. They get paid to retrieve/catch the ball so obviously their touches are high but no other fullback is in that top 5 made errors list. What does that tell you?He's average!

[milanja]

How many games has Coote played for his state and country?

If you use that logic, then you would think pearce is the 2nd best half in the league.

[2026]

If you use that logic, then you would think pearce is the 2nd best half in the league.

No. When Pearce was selected, he was the best available NSW 7.

[milanja]

No. When Pearce was selected, he was the best available NSW 7.

Tedesco in my opinion was the best available option for fullback, yet not seen in the team, also hopoate making the team, proved how useless the selectors really were.