Moa to the Warriors Hayne to the Roosters

[Rooster_6]

I am not sure that you have an understanding of how the cap and third party payments work.

The $600K marquee allowance that every club has, is outside the salary cap. This can be paid to 1 player or shared with as many as the club sees fit.

Any player can earn unlimited dollars outside the cap from third parties. These can not be arranged or guaranteed by the clubs. (This is where many see an uneven playing field, because some clubs are more attractive and have more interest from third parties than others. Easts do very well in this situation rightly or wrongly).

One would have to be quite naive to think that clubs do not have any sort of influence over third party deals.....

The marquee allowance is capped at 600k of 3rd party deals so of course it's part of the salary cap.

In professional sports, a salary cap(or wage cap) is an agreement or rule that places a limit on the amount of money that a team can spend on player salaries. The limit exists as a per-player limit or a total limit for the team's roster, or both.

As for the unlimited third parties you're essentially saying the club would cheat the chap to the point of 300k+ to sign Jaryd Hayne by promising him dodgy third party deals. I will have to agree to disagree on that one. I don't think the club is that stupid, nor do I believe you're privy to that kind of knowledge.

[Pass the Ball]

You can view the $600k however you like. It is deemed outside the cap but because all clubs have it you could say the cap is $6.1 million plus $600k. Irrelevant really.

I am certainly not saying anything like "we would cheat the cap to the point of $300k to sign Hayne".

I am saying if Hayne was to sign with us for $700k I am sure there would be third party offers to the tune of $300k and more. Nothing dodgy there under the current salary cap rules...

[Rooster_6]

You can view the $600k however you like. It is deemed outside the cap but because all clubs have it you could say the cap is $6.1 million plus $600k. Irrelevant really.

I am certainly not saying anything like "we would cheat the cap to the point of $300k to sign Hayne".

I am saying if Hayne was to sign with us for $700k I am sure there would be third party offers to the tune of $300k and more. Nothing dodgy there under the current salary cap rules...

I'm sure he already has third party deals to the tune of well over 300k at the moment. But why would he sign with us for less because of that?

Would you take less a 30% pay cut at your job because you had already had a second revenue stream?

[Pass the Ball]

Of course Hayne already has third party deals worth more than $300k. Whoever's boots he wears probably pays that much alone.

If he signed with Easts there would be further third party deals, which is where it gets a little murky. Easts would not be paying this money to him but other businesses would be. Thus payments being outside the cap.

This is pulled from the NRL website for further clarification if you don't understand the way I explained it.

What players can earn outside the salary cap:
$600,000 - Marquee Player Allowance - any or all of the Top 25 players at each club can share in payments made by club sponsors seeking to use a player's intellectual property. These may be guaranteed in the playing contract by clubs.
$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 25 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).
Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.
Unlimited - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved.

[SConcierge]

I'm sure he already has third party deals to the tune of well over 300k at the moment. But why would he sign with us for less because of that?

Would you take less a 30% pay cut at your job because you had already had a second revenue stream?

comon try harder you can work it out lol

[Double]

I think I've worked it out: Uncle Nick will get the Eskimos to buy ice back off themselves.

[Rooster_6]

Of course Hayne already has third party deals worth more than $300k. Whoever's boots he wears probably pays that much alone.

If he signed with Easts there would be further third party deals, which is where it gets a little murky. Easts would not be paying this money to him but other businesses would be. Thus payments being outside the cap.

This is pulled from the NRL website for further clarification if you don't understand the way I explained it.

What players can earn outside the salary cap:
$600,000 - Marquee Player Allowance - any or all of the Top 25 players at each club can share in payments made by club sponsors seeking to use a player's intellectual property. These may be guaranteed in the playing contract by clubs.
$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 25 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).
Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.
Unlimited - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved.

There's nothing murky about that, assuming you're expressing the same comments as Concierge it's blatant cheating.

[Pass the Ball]

There's nothing murky about that, assuming you're expressing the same comments as Concierge it's blatant cheating.

If you still do not understand or do not want to understand, I can't help anymore...

[SConcierge]

There's nothing murky about that, assuming you're expressing the same comments as Concierge it's blatant cheating.

Yeah and all those magical 3rd party deals that appear for the big players are based on miracles dreams and hand on heart honesty and funny enough usually dont follow the player from club to club!

[Rooster_6]

If you still do not understand or do not want to understand, I can't help anymore...

I fully understand it, you're in denial. It's cheating, 3rd party deals can't be guaranteed based on which club you play for.

[Rooster_6]

Yeah and all those magical 3rd party deals that appear for the big players are based on miracles dreams and hand on heart honesty and funny enough usually dont follow the player from club to club!

Yes you think we cheat.... along with other clubs. I understand your point of view although like I already said I agree to disagree and I don't think you'd be privy to that kind of information. Your opinnions are assumption based, not factually based.

[eddie]

I fully understand it, you're in denial. It's cheating, 3rd party deals can't be guaranteed based on which club you play for.

Fair dinkum.
Can't you read?

[Cockadoodledoo]

I fully understand it, you're in denial. It's cheating, 3rd party deals can't be guaranteed based on which club you play for.

Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. It is just plain embarrassing really. SBW signed with the Roosters in 2013 for $500k on the cap. That is fact. Do you think he could have got more elsewhere? Playing for the Roosters opens more doors than almost all clubs in Sydney? If you think that we pay 'market value' for all players on our roster, then i have a harbour bridge to sell you.

[Rooster_6]

Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. It is just plain embarrassing really. SBW signed with the Roosters in 2013 for $500k on the cap. That is fact. Do you think he could have got more elsewhere? Playing for the Roosters opens more doors than almost all clubs in Sydney? If you think that we pay 'market value' for all players on our roster, then i have a harbour bridge to sell you.

And that's fine, i have no issues with that opinion but it's cheating plain and simple.

The denial and reluctance to call a spade a spade is my issue here...

[eddie]

And that's fine, i have no issues with that opinion but it's cheating plain and simple.
The denial and reluctance to call a spade a spade is my issue here...

You're just repeating yourself.Say something ten times don't make a spade a shovel.

And you're totally forgetting that Hayne would come under the ball running fullback salary cap discount.No way we could afford one of those ball playing bastards.