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  • #16
    So in other words, if you give Ricky Stuart a star studded team of internationals, including Fittler in his prime, plus a massively credentialled support cast, plus Phil Gould to oversee it all, he might go ok. But he's not likely do much with the current squad.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ox Baker View Post
      So in other words, if you give Ricky Stuart a star studded team of internationals, including Fittler in his prime, plus a massively credentialled support cast, plus Phil Gould to oversee it all, he might go ok. But he's not likely do much with the current squad.

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      Gould & Murray couldn't win with Fittler. As for the 02 Roosters being start studded, perhaps in our hearts but I wouldn't call them all world superstars. As for Cartwright and Pay being the secret weapon, well any coach has assistants and JC was learning to be a coach and where is Dean pay now? AND as for me calling for Stuarts sacking, no i didn't call for his sacking.
      Now! Do I want Stuart back? no! I don't believe in going back in time. I feel that someone like Bellamy is the only option but I'm not one who will l take away the efforts of Stuart in getting us to win in 02. It's ridiculous to continue to fool yourself that he didn't have a hand in winning that just because he didn't win us another.

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      • #18
        I think they need a coach who isn't afraid to go back to basics football. Once they can achieve that which includes discipline then they can work on attach plays. Someone who will get up the senior players instead of praising them week in week out. Not afraid to drop players that aren't performing. With Brian Smith it is the same story wherever he goes. He needs to step and be a real coach that will make the hard choices when they need to be done. Who is the right fit for the roosters?? I think Bennett or Bellamy would be my choice. Can'y have them but that is the type of coach we need. A coach who can motivate and get the most out of their team.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ROC181 View Post
          Gould & Murray couldn't win with Fittler. As for the 02 Roosters being start studded, perhaps in our hearts but I wouldn't call them all world superstars. As for Cartwright and Pay being the secret weapon, well any coach has assistants and JC was learning to be a coach and where is Dean pay now? AND as for me calling for Stuarts sacking, no i didn't call for his sacking.
          Now! Do I want Stuart back? no! I don't believe in going back in time. I feel that someone like Bellamy is the only option but I'm not one who will l take away the efforts of Stuart in getting us to win in 02. It's ridiculous to continue to fool yourself that he didn't have a hand in winning that just because he didn't win us another.
          Sure he had a hand in 02. But consider this. He made it to the GF in his first 3 years as a coach. An awesome achievement, seemingly, at the time. With that start you'd expect he'd go on to be a name-your-price-and-club kind of coach, like Bennett. But he didn't. He made the finals I think once in the six seasons from 05 to 10. And completely disgraced himself as Aust coach and got sacked from that job. He's now without a club and no-one's lining up to sign him. Penrith were more interested in Sheens, and, apparently of all people, Nathan Brown, which says it all. Fairly obvious proof that the success of 02-04 was as much, if not more, to do with the players and support staff than Stuart.

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          • #20
            Why on earth did we let go of Pay? He's the kind of guy that demands respect. This would be my ideal coaching line up in about 3 years time:

            Head Coach: Daniel Anderson
            Assistant Coach: Brian Noble
            Defensive Coach: Gillmeister and/or Dean Pay
            Offensive Coach: Lam
            Strength and Conditioning Coach: Cunningham
            High Performance Manager: Fitzgibbon

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Spanner in the works View Post
              Why on earth did we let go of Pay? He's the kind of guy that demands respect. This would be my ideal coaching line up in about 3 years time:

              Head Coach: Daniel Anderson
              Assistant Coach: Brian Noble
              Defensive Coach: Gillmeister and/or Dean Pay
              Offensive Coach: Lam
              Strength and Conditioning Coach: Cunningham
              High Performance Manager: Fitzgibbon
              I like the hell out of that management team.

              If Ricky Stuart comes back here, I'll be doing what I did when they arseholed Rusty back in 1990. Turning my back.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Madduke View Post
                I like the hell out of that management team.

                If Ricky Stuart comes back here, I'll be doing what I did when they arseholed Rusty back in 1990. Turning my back.
                What I like about it is that they are winners and they demand respect. Either through their playing careers, their coaching careers or both.

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                • #23
                  we need Steve Folkes and Dean Pay and Jim Dymock

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                  • #24
                    Stuart is a lousy tactician who is clueless about using talent and/or bench.

                    Didn't he select a winger to make his debut on the bench, only to bring him on for his debut in the 78th minute?
                    Didn'the leave a prop (Tonga) fresh on the bench till the 70th min in a game against the warriors' big forwards i't n a very wet game?
                    Didn't he drop Soward after the 1st 4 rounds for the sake of Finch, even though Soward was MOM in 2 of those games, and 2nd best on ground in one of the losses?
                    Didn't he play Soward at lock and hooker?
                    Didn't he leave Toupo on the bench in the '04 GF when we needed to score to win?

                    I have paid alot of money to my psychologist to help me erase Stuart's tactics from my memory, I would not like to see him back at the Roosters no matter what!

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                    • #25
                      Des Hassler is the man..

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                      • #26
                        Won't be happening.

                        http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1226065184085

                        ROOSTERS greats and a former Test international believe the club must stick with under-pressure coach Brian Smith. Last year's runners-up have won just three of 11 games this season and sit equal last on the NRL table.

                        Their 2011 dream is all but over after a disastrous year that has included off-field dramas and on-field failure, culminating in the diabolical performance against North Queensland when the side completed just 17 from 35 sets.

                        The Daily Telegraph has been told Sydney Roosters players are frustrated at Smith's decision to change the club's structure.But Smith's position should not be questioned, according to influential Roosters figures.

                        "They made a decision to sign Brian Smith for four years - they have to stick by him," Roosters legend Brad Fittler said. "The Roosters have to ride through this period of injury and not over-react. The club has to stick solid."

                        Asked could the Roosters still make the finals, Fittler said: "It will be pretty tough from here."

                        Former Test star Greg Alexander called the Cowboys match for Fox Sports and described the Roosters as "dreadful and embarrassing". "They have had a disrupted season but they were dreadful on Saturday night. Embarrassing," Alexander said. "They need to start winning and do it soon. Time is running out.

                        "They did defend their line really well on Saturday night, so there are signs of life. I don't think they have tossed in the towel.

                        "Todd Carney has been a disruption. He was their best player last season. I think they will improve in the second half of the season but whether it's enough to make the finals is the key question."

                        Graham Murray, who coached the Bondi club into the 2000 grand final, said Smith should not be scrutinised.

                        "The Roosters are doing it tough," Murray said. "But things will turn around. They just need to stick together.

                        "A couple of wins can turn around a season. Brian Smith is a good coach."

                        Russell Fairfax, the brilliant Easts fullback of the 1970s, said Smith must be retained.

                        "Brian Smith is tough and hard and needs to tell the players what he wants," Fairfax said. "If they can't deliver, he has to to give them an ultimatum.

                        "I am not an advocate for sacking a coach mid-season and I am not an advocate for sacking Brian Smith."
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                        I keep hearing the same thing about the players and the structure so there must be some truth to it. Prima-dona pricks should watch Manly and see what professional players act like when their coach changes things.

                        If their is a player revolt happening, find the ring leaders and publically execute them by sacking them. Or else it won't matter who is coaching us nothing will change.

                        Chook.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by OMR View Post
                          Stuart is a lousy tactician who is clueless about using talent and/or bench.

                          Didn't he select a winger to make his debut on the bench, only to bring him on for his debut in the 78th minute?
                          Didn'the leave a prop (Tonga) fresh on the bench till the 70th min in a game against the warriors' big forwards i't n a very wet game?
                          Didn't he drop Soward after the 1st 4 rounds for the sake of Finch, even though Soward was MOM in 2 of those games, and 2nd best on ground in one of the losses?
                          Didn't he play Soward at lock and hooker?
                          Didn't he leave Toupo on the bench in the '04 GF when we needed to score to win?

                          I have paid alot of money to my psychologist to help me erase Stuart's tactics from my memory, I would not like to see him back at the Roosters no matter what!

                          Soward was a little underdone then. Too young and small and still not ready for first grade.
                          As for Tonga...He should be in the where are they now file. Obviously not good enough.
                          As for Toupo, well all coaches make decisions. I'm sure Gould & Murray made some clanckers even with Freddy on their side.
                          The fact is that our side was much more respected after the 02 GF. Our defense was the talk of the NRL with tough tackling.

                          One thing you omitted was that we won in 02 after 27 years through his bad tactics. Of course that doesn't count because he also had Ronny Palmer to assist

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                          • #28
                            There is an old saying, Your either on the bus or your on the bus.

                            Smith has changed the structure, why don't the players like it??? is this change taking them out of their comfort zone?? if so....GOOD.

                            When the pressure is on, you find out who cracks and who excels.

                            Yeah we could dump smit, but a new coach would come in and change the structure.......will we sack them if The players are (as reported, though the level of validity can be disputed) frustrated with the coaches new structure?

                            Delecto Oriens est odio Meridianus
                            To love Easts is to hate Souffs

                            Originally posted by Bill Shankley, Liverpool FC
                            At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
                            Originally posted by Andy Raymond Commentating Souffs V Manly 18/04/09
                            The fireworks at the Easter show are making more noise than the crowd tonight

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                            • #29
                              This is a big problem with the club. The players have far too much power and our board is far too impatient for us to have any long term stability and success.

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                              • #30
                                Bring back Ricky Stuart!!

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                                NO!!!

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