Who really is to blame for the mess that we are in now??

[Guest]

Yeah lets all blame 1 guy for all our problems!
Better yet, lets just blame the easiest target (the known badboy.)

Besides saying "oh he just stops when he hits people" tell me... what's he doing wrong? He's leading the metres gained stat every week... he's gaining more ground than anybody else out there!

My view is we could recruit ANYBODY to replace him, and the team wouldn't magically start winning. Footy is a team sport... YOU have no idea if you don't even understand the basis of a team sport (i.e. you work as a team.)

When the team is defending properly and making holes that Mason can run into and score tries then we'll be winning games. Sure he's 115kg... but 3 blokes can take him out pretty easily! If you're relying on 1 man to just run through the whole team and being amazed when he just stops after being pushed back by 3 guys then you obviously have no idea...

Maybe that works in the junior grades (at high school we always had 1 big guy in the U15's who looked 25 and had a beard... he could run through whole teams of U15's players... but professionals... totally different story! Even the small guys can nail a big guy like Mason in a tackle whereas in U15's rugby they'd run scared...)

Again i say..

You really have no idea..

Grow up a bit,then you can come talk with the grown-ups

Mason was bought to cause havoc on the fringes & wider & he has been a flop..

He was bought to create scoring opportunities (O'Meley was bought for his yardage,& 'cause he tries hard)..

Everyone else was spot on when they branded you an EGG..

[trewhella]

Emu replaces him off the bench.

I swear I never saw emu run.

I only ever saw Marilyn spinning the wheel.
And I mean Marilyn.

Not that other gay Marilyn from the 80s, singing that homo song about the radio.

[Guest]

Everyone else was spot on when they branded you an EGG..

Like the guy who said "that's not far from the truth" or the guy who said "that's spot on!" Sure some disagree... but that's part of debating footy. Part of the fun mate... don't take it so seriously when somebody opposes your opinion. The thread is called "Who really is to blame for the mess that we are in now??" and I intend to answer that by giving my opinions... sorry if they're different and a bit more advanced that your view that Mason should not "stop before he hits the players"... mate we all wish he could just run through the whole team, but realistically... not gonna happen!

Mason was bought to cause havoc on the fringes & wider & he has been a flop

Again you just make claims as if they're written in the Bible or something."Cause havoc" WTF is causing havoc? Little guys can cause havoc by running around guys and doing clever passes. He's not good at that... if anything, you could blame our backs for our failure if you believe that the wings and centres are not causing enough havoc, and I'd agree! Freddie's always saying "oh they're a fast team!" the code for that is we're slow... our backs and centres are too slow.

Guys like Mason weren't recruited to be fast!Given that Mason is a FORWARD! (We've been through this with another clown)... how is he going to upset the opposition's backs? His job is to drive his way forward with the other forward pack, making the opposition's forwards commit to tackles in big numbers (which they do because he's 115kg) thus creating an overlap. His job is NOT to hustle the backs by doing lots of clever flick passes and side-steps and the like.

The Roosters are losing badly every week... everybody will have opposing opinions on why they're losing. If it was black and white or as simple as you've been putting it then Freddie would have already solved their problems... unfortunately the problems are much more complex and systematic than "wreaking havoc man!! Why doesn't he run harder and break more bones!!! What a dud!!" Their problems come down to so many factors that it would take a 50 page essay to dissect everything. Saying people simply aren't causing enough havoc... well yeah... that's a simplistic spectator's view, and at some levels is correct. But causing havoc isn't about running at the man harder like a fool... professionals are sorta past that stage...

[Kingbilly]

Sir Gamble, you made one valid comment, but now you are screwing it up again.

Where should you run a player like mason ?
Straight at the centres and halves. Running straight over the top of them. Thats how he used to play same as many other forwards inclufding SBW.

BTW if Salvatori only ran at the forwards he probably would never have played rep footy.

[Guest]

Like the guy who said "that's not far from the truth" or the guy who said "that's spot on!"

The Roosters are losing badly every week... everybody will have opposing opinions on why they're losing.



Again you just make claims as if they're written in the Bible or something."Cause havoc" WTF is causing havoc? Little guys can cause havoc by running around guys and doing clever passes.

Given that Mason is a FORWARD! (We've been through this with another clown)... how is he going to upset the opposition's backs? His job is to drive his way forward with the other forward pack, making the opposition's forwards commit to tackles in big numbers (which they do because he's 115kg) thus creating an overlap. His job is NOT to hustle the backs by doing lots of clever flick passes and side-steps and the like.

Again you have no idea..

Also read what the majority on here think of your comments..

You obviously have zero knowledge about LEAGUE,you base what you think a massive free running 2nd rower should be doing on the field on yawnion games you have watched..

Because it is evident you have not watched LEAGUE in you 13-14 years on earth..

Grow up.....then ask nicely & we might let you sit at the adults table...as long as you stay quiet

[Guest]

Again you have no idea..

Also read what the majority on here think of your comments..

You obviously have zero knowledge about LEAGUE,you base what you think a massive free running 2nd rower should be doing on the field on yawnion games you have watched..

Because it is evident you have not watched LEAGUE in you 13-14 years on earth..

Grow up.....then ask nicely & we might let you sit at the adults table...as long as you stay quiet

Typical straw man argument... attack the man and not the content because the content is ROCK SOLID!!! Comes from a guy with 20+ years experience with both Union and League who played rep football for both codes as a junior. Mate, I know what I'm talking about, and the content speaks for itself if you'll argue it rather than putting together a straw man argument.

You say everything is wrong... come up with a list champ... anything factually incorrect?
Nope... move on...

[Guest]

Sir Gamble, you made one valid comment, but now you are screwing it up again.

Where should you run a player like mason ?
Straight at the centres and halves. Running straight over the top of them. Thats how he used to play same as many other forwards inclufding SBW.

BTW if Salvatori only ran at the forwards he probably would never have played rep footy.

I didn't make just 1 valid "comment" I've made many valid comments, arguments and analysis'.

Stick with your simplistic b/s... "he's paid to run over the top of everybody and be a 1 man team..." I, you... everybody here wishes he could do that! Fact is he's never been able to simply run over everybody like the incredible hulk.

You gain more ground running into space and around players than you do trying to run straight over them...

[Pass the Ball]

I get it, you like reading your own posts...

I think you may have something to contribute here, but you really should show a little respect to others...

[Guest]

I get it, you like reading your own posts...

I think you may have something to contribute here, but you really should show a little respect to others...

How? I've come to discuss things but people seem to enjoy straw man arguments rather than debating the content...

Sorry, I'm just a battler. I'm not always the guy with the most popular opinions... that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to debate what I believe in and learn from those who disagree rather than being attacked as a person.

I learn nothing from people questioning the following:
1) My age (I know my age... telling you... I wish I was a kid!)
2) My intelligence (again... I know I'm thinking straight and have quite a lot of experience playing, coaching and watching footy)
3) Bagging the fact I watch both league and union (if anything I think this shows I know footy BETTER than whoever says it because I've learned from both codes)

So please... if that's all you've got to say, then don't bother posting it. If you want to discuss my opinions about the game then be my guest... debate the content, not the character of the person posting it. I think as I said in another thread "I could be a dickhead, a pindick, 12 years old...etc but it would not change the legitimacy of what I've posted because it's not about the size of my penis, it's about debating footy..."

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I think my arguments have been pretty detailed, and I've given reference to the game, and well known tactics quite often.

Many of the responses I've had have been simplistic (e.g. get the big man to run hard...) and/or simply insulting and lacking in any content that would help to prove that my rugby analysis' are correct (dickhead, pindick, child...etc)

So... I'll show respect if certain responders show respect!


***** NO MORE STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS PLEASE!!!!! DEBATE THE GAME, NOT THE PERSON TALKING ABOUT IT!!!!! *****

[trewhella]

Its nice to be back here

More loonies
I dig it.

FTR, the reason we are where we are right now.


Its the idiots and the men on the board who are advising Nick Politis.
We have far too many chiefs.
We have Nick in charge of recruitment with an appalling record.
We have a coach who doesnt know anything about being a coach.
We have players who are not accepting personal accountability for their performances. But why should they??Nobody at Easts is taking accounatbility anywhere else.
We have a trainer who is obnoxious and over ambitious.

They are all to blame.
Blame in itself is a pointless exerise unless there is a desire to CHANGE.

It must start from the top and Nick must realise that his methods since Bennett have been severely flawed.
I love Nick but he sees a different game of footy to me.

[Guest]

Its nice to be back here

More loonies
I dig it.

FTR, the reason we are where we are right now.


Its the idiots and the men on the board who are advising Nick Politis.
We have far too many chiefs.
We have Nick in charge of recruitment with an appalling record.
We have a coach who doesnt know anything about being a coach.
We have players who are not accepting personal accountability for their performances. But why should they??Nobody at Easts is taking accounatbility anywhere else.
We have a trainer who is obnoxious and over ambitious.

They are all to blame.
Blame in itself is a pointless exerise unless there is a desire to CHANGE.

It must start from the top and Nick must realise that his methods since Bennett have been severely flawed.
I love Nick but he sees a different game of footy to me.

YES YES YES!!!
Listen to this man... it's a complex, systematic problem! Not just 1 player needing to run harder!

[TheLoneRooster]

Well said Trew - the problems are many and affect many levels at Easts.
Trouble is, nothing short of an almighty top to bottom clean out appears to be the only solution and with encumbents with agendas I see nothing constructive in that direction any time soon.

[Guest]

Well said Trew - the problems are many and affect many levels at Easts.
Trouble is, nothing short of an almighty top to bottom clean out appears to be the only solution and with encumbents with agendas I see nothing constructive in that direction any time soon.

Yeah I guess considering they're not going to sack the entire board, and granted all the money Nick Politis funnels into the club (and attracts) nobody's going to ask him to step down any time soon. I think like many bosses... he's the boss... and we've gotta accept his leadership and get on with our job (in that I speak of "us" as being the Roosters community; coaches, players, fans...etc).

Maybe this season will give everybody a good old fashioned humbling and force them to work hard in the off-season. I hate to call this season a dead horse, and want us to play with honour however we go this season (that's a big difference between us and the sharks... we don't lose by a big margin then get fined $10 000 for calling some bit islander a "black c___"... we always play with honour, and that's something I respect about the Roosters.)

But yeah... hopefully this season gives us a humbling. We're already losing some big name players (know that already) so it'll be a chance for a BIG re-shuffle of players. I still trust Freddie... I want him to have another year at it... if we're still failing next season then his contract will have expired and may not be renewed. But for now... last season we came 4th with a VERY similar team. Maybe we just need a humbling, a solid off-season and a bit of a re-shuffle of players?

[TheLoneRooster]

...But yeah... hopefully this season gives us a humbling. We're already losing some big name players (know that already) so it'll be a chance for a BIG re-shuffle of players. I still trust Freddie... I want him to have another year at it... if we're still failing next season then his contract will have expired and may not be renewed. But for now... last season we came 4th with a VERY similar team. Maybe we just need a humbling, a solid off-season and a bit of a re-shuffle of players?

A thought the humbling came with how poorly the Roosters finished season '08?
I thought with that end of '08 humbling that the off-season would have been solid. Silly me!
Would you care to elaborate on the bit I have put in bold text above?

[Guest]

How? I've come to discuss things but people seem to enjoy straw man arguments rather than debating the content...

Sorry, I'm just a battler. I'm not always the guy with the most popular opinions... that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to debate what I believe in and learn from those who disagree rather than being attacked as a person.

I learn nothing from people questioning the following:
1) My age (I know my age... telling you... I wish I was a kid!)
2) My intelligence (again... I know I'm thinking straight and have quite a lot of experience playing, coaching and watching footy)
3) Bagging the fact I watch both league and union (if anything I think this shows I know footy BETTER than whoever says it because I've learned from both codes)

So please... if that's all you've got to say, then don't bother posting it. If you want to discuss my opinions about the game then be my guest... debate the content, not the character of the person posting it. I think as I said in another thread "I could be a dickhead, a pindick, 12 years old...etc but it would not change the legitimacy of what I've posted because it's not about the size of my penis, it's about debating footy..."

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I think my arguments have been pretty detailed, and I've given reference to the game, and well known tactics quite often.

Many of the responses I've had have been simplistic (e.g. get the big man to run hard...) and/or simply insulting and lacking in any content that would help to prove that my rugby analysis' are correct (dickhead, pindick, child...etc)

So... I'll show respect if certain responders show respect!


***** NO MORE STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS PLEASE!!!!! DEBATE THE GAME, NOT THE PERSON TALKING ABOUT IT!!!!! *****

You are not only a goose..

You are a Grade A..Gold Plated Egg

Your lack of knowledge on LEAGUE is astounding..

Now back into kindy LITTLE BOY..

The adults will be here to talk to when you grow up