A culture of caution

[Guest]

I believe the central reasoning for our decline post 04 is based on around a fear of taking chances, the way the NRL works is a 4-5 year cycle, you build a team have 4-5 years of success and then lose your players too big money contracts and begin the rebuilding process. Brisbane are the only real example of a club who can stay up and that is all to do with their ownership. the roosters of 05 decided that they would attempt to match the Broncos, staying at the top of the game through a series of high profile purchases to carry the team forward. Buying instead of developing a team that could compete for the premiership.

this has created two problems.

The first problem that this has inevitabely created is our purchases have been safe purchases, rarely willing to look at the brilliant player but rather the safer option Mark Omeley to replace Adrian morely, Pearce to replace soward, anasta to replace fittler, aubs and soliola to replace Cross, even jaubs to replace lestrange, never willing to purchase a liability, to sacrifice security for excitement for brilliance. Hence we now have an old, slow, and weak team that has seen the highpoints of their careers pass at other clubs, and are not commited to the jersey and lack the speed and fitness to compete in the faster 2009 competition.

The second issue our attempts to remain at the top of the competition has created is the complete stunting of player development. We have spent the last 4 years looking for a quick fix, a superstar junior that will single handidly turn our fortunes around, and sadly because of it we lost our most talented junior in Soward. the reluctance to spend a year out of the 8 has lead to 3 years out of the 8 due to dud buys and safe players being unable to beat teams.

If we had taken the plunge given some of our 04 jersey flegg players the opportunities they deserved after being the greatest jersey flegg team ever then I dont hesitate to say that we would at the very least be a top 8 side. Team building does not happen overnight and thats the flaw in our approach.

We need a 5 year plan, we have the juniors too build it around, the likes of pearce, SKD, towers, symonds, and Sa have the ability to become amazing NRL players they just need to be given the time and development focus required. We need to take a risk otherwise the turn around simply wont occur.

[Guest]

Great post

[Guest]

It's been a culture of buying Canterbury's Bling Brigade and even attemping to buy others in Canterbury's Bling Brigade.

Only Myles isn't part of the Bling Culture purchased by Easts and it's the Bling Group of all talk and no show that stuffed up Canterbury along with Noad being a News Limited and NRL puppet.

O'Meley became a Bling Member in 2007.

Mason, Anasta and Kouparitsas are all in the Bling Group. You have tried to sign Tonga twice in the past. You are certainly interested in SBW. Just Holdsworth and Te Maari and you have Canterbury's Bling Brigade away for good. Roberts has changed to the Family and Hard Working Culture as has Millard.

Not to mention Easts have always wanted Pritchard.

Your club needs to develop and keep more players like Perrett and that builds a successful culture. Easts problem is they see the latest fad on the market and want to buy it straight away.

When you signed Mason keeping Tupou was near impossible, but you went ahead with it all.

Each club has hired imports, but sign those with the right ethics. Heck a good portion of the mid-80's era at Canterbury are all imports, but they are all considered Canterbury people including Dunn, who they signed from your club.

[Guest]

We need to have faith in:

Perrett
Kenny-Dowall
Pearce
M Aubusson
Nuuausala
Paea
Sa
Shackleton
Cherrington
Friend

...because these blokes all debuted at our club, and if we rid ourselves of the garbage we will see the true potential in having long-term players. The only purchases that have now left, that I really regret letting go, are Monaghan, Cayless, and...well, that is about it. Ryan Cross, Anthony Tupou, Heath L'Estrange, Ben Hannant, Jamie Soward debuted in FG for us, Soliola debuted in FG for us, Fitzgibbon was a 10 year veteran. I don't mind signings like Jimmy Aubusson, Sonny Tuigamala, Nate Myles (to a lesser extent), etc - these purchases were based on potential. But some of them just were plain mistakes.

[Rooster_6]

It's been a culture of buying Canterbury's Bling Brigade and even attemping to buy others in Canterbury's Bling Brigade.

Only Myles isn't part of the Bling Culture purchased by Easts and it's the Bling Group of all talk and no show that stuffed up Canterbury along with Noad being a News Limited and NRL puppet.

O'Meley became a Bling Member in 2007.

Mason, Anasta and Kouparitsas are all in the Bling Group. You have tried to sign Tonga twice in the past. You are certainly interested in SBW. Just Holdsworth and Te Maari and you have Canterbury's Bling Brigade away for good. Roberts has changed to the Family and Hard Working Culture as has Millard.

Not to mention Easts have always wanted Pritchard.

Your club needs to develop and keep more players like Perrett and that builds a successful culture. Easts problem is they see the latest fad on the market and want to buy it straight away.

When you signed Mason keeping Tupou was near impossible, but you went ahead with it all.

Each club has hired imports, but sign those with the right ethics. Heck a good portion of the mid-80's era at Canterbury are all imports, but they are all considered Canterbury people including Dunn, who they signed from your club.

Yeah Anasta is really all talk no show. Thanks for the heads up, if you're as spot on with the SBW as you are with Anasta he will be here tomorrow

[Guest]

I believe the central reasoning for our decline post 04 is based on around a fear of taking chances, the way the NRL works is a 4-5 year cycle, you build a team have 4-5 years of success and then lose your players too big money contracts and begin the rebuilding process. Brisbane are the only real example of a club who can stay up and that is all to do with their ownership. the roosters of 05 decided that they would attempt to match the Broncos, staying at the top of the game through a series of high profile purchases to carry the team forward. Buying instead of developing a team that could compete for the premiership.

this has created two problems.

The first problem that this has inevitabely created is our purchases have been safe purchases, rarely willing to look at the brilliant player but rather the safer option Mark Omeley to replace Adrian morely, Pearce to replace soward, anasta to replace fittler, aubs and soliola to replace Cross, even jaubs to replace lestrange, never willing to purchase a liability, to sacrifice security for excitement for brilliance. Hence we now have an old, slow, and weak team that has seen the highpoints of their careers pass at other clubs, and are not commited to the jersey and lack the speed and fitness to compete in the faster 2009 competition.

The second issue our attempts to remain at the top of the competition has created is the complete stunting of player development. We have spent the last 4 years looking for a quick fix, a superstar junior that will single handidly turn our fortunes around, and sadly because of it we lost our most talented junior in Soward. the reluctance to spend a year out of the 8 has lead to 3 years out of the 8 due to dud buys and safe players being unable to beat teams.

If we had taken the plunge given some of our 04 jersey flegg players the opportunities they deserved after being the greatest jersey flegg team ever then I dont hesitate to say that we would at the very least be a top 8 side. Team building does not happen overnight and thats the flaw in our approach.

We need a 5 year plan, we have the juniors too build it around, the likes of pearce, SKD, towers, symonds, and Sa have the ability to become amazing NRL players they just need to be given the time and development focus required. We need to take a risk otherwise the turn around simply wont occur.

right on target
well said

[melon....]

It's been a culture of buying Canterbury's Bling Brigade and even attemping to buy others in Canterbury's Bling Brigade.

Only Myles isn't part of the Bling Culture purchased by Easts and it's the Bling Group of all talk and no show that stuffed up Canterbury along with Noad being a News Limited and NRL puppet.

O'Meley became a Bling Member in 2007.

Mason, Anasta and Kouparitsas are all in the Bling Group. You have tried to sign Tonga twice in the past. You are certainly interested in SBW. Just Holdsworth and Te Maari and you have Canterbury's Bling Brigade away for good. Roberts has changed to the Family and Hard Working Culture as has Millard.

Not to mention Easts have always wanted Pritchard.

Your club needs to develop and keep more players like Perrett and that builds a successful culture. Easts problem is they see the latest fad on the market and want to buy it straight away.

When you signed Mason keeping Tupou was near impossible, but you went ahead with it all.

Each club has hired imports, but sign those with the right ethics. Heck a good portion of the mid-80's era at Canterbury are all imports, but they are all considered Canterbury people including Dunn, who they signed from your club.

Have you seen your roster lately? You hate Easts...what the **** are you doing here? Yuore noot telling us anything we dont already know. Go and patronise somebody else. Born not Bred ha? bullshit.

[Guest]

Have you seen your roster lately? You hate Easts...what the **** are you doing here? Yuore noot telling us anything we dont already know. Go and patronise somebody else. Born not Bred ha? bullshit.

Am I right? Born not Bred is about Culture and I never purchased a shirt. That was Noad's final legacy in a few doomed years we had.

Why did you buy Mason, O'Meley and Kouparitsas? They were the latest fads on the market. Was there any serious planning behind it all? There was a reason Koups was on the bench in Baa's side and it had nothing to do with him wanting out, but more to do with the Beverley Hills Hotel.

Wing wins you a competition at halfback and you shaft him to hooker as Finch is the latest fad on the market and Bonetti is told to retire.

Signing Mason forced your hand in losing Tupou. Mason IMO is a better player career wise, but Mason's success came when at the Bulldogs and his one game against the Bulldogs. Tupou was developed by your club.

I said clearly a lot of Canterbury's great mid-80's side were imported from other clubs. Only Folkes, Robinson and O'Brien were local juniors that started off with Canterbury, Lamb was a local junior via Wests and the three Mortimer's, Farrar, Langmack, Potter, Hagan, Gillespie, Callinan and Boyd came through the system of spotting young kids. The others Kelly, Tunks, Bugden, Dunn, Brohman, Johnstone, Gould, Battese, Sigsworth, Leis and Mullane were all imported players. Although Battese and Lamb left when Wests became defunct (later to be challenged), Kelly and Bugden left when Newtown folded and Tunks was cut by Souths.

Look at the players Canterbury have signed on the field and the people they have signed off the field. They signed players who will be bred into the Bulldogs Family Culture and removed the Party and Bling Culture, which mostly has transferred to your Club. The signings were planned and nicely calculated.

The Roosters have had a habit of signing the latest fads on the market without any serious logic or forward planning.

Short term pain in 2008 has resulted in the traditional and feared Bulldogs culture and success return in a massive way.

Why sign Mason, O'Meley and Kouparitsas if it means losing Tupou and Fitzgibbon (two pure Roosters IMO)????

The only player I would sign from your Club at the current moment would be Perrett.

[Guest]

Yeah Anasta is really all talk no show. Thanks for the heads up, if you're as spot on with the SBW as you are with Anasta he will be here tomorrow

Tell me this. Anasta had a big sook when he missed the NSW squad of 40 and how has he performed since that moment? He has barely been sighted on the field and failed to inspire the Roosters. Anasta is a proven under-performer when the acid is applied to him. His best game for the Roosters was the 2004 Grand Final closely followed by the 2003 Semi Final.

[TheLoneRooster]

Tell me this... > snipped < ....

I've got to ask MattO, why are you here? This site is called "The Chookpen" and was established for the more fanatical Rooster supporter which you clearly could never be called. Are you here to cause trouble, to kick the supporters of the Roosters while they're down or to gloat at your team's restored success? As far as I'm concerned, any of the above three reasons shows a lack of class.

Additionally I would like to comment on your revisionism with respect to the "bred not bought" slogan that your team once used. I find it interesting that I no longer hear that slogan given that your team purchased a number of white only players from other clubs. If memory serves, that slogan was used to imply that your team didn't resort to the chequebook for new players like the Roosters are accused of so doing.

Now you say "bred not bought" is all about breeding a culture with the players in your team irrespective of whether they are juniors or established players from other clubs. As they say, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it must be a duck - revisionism.

[TheLoneRooster]

I believe the central reasoning for our decline post 04 is based on around a fear of taking chances...

> snipped <

... We need to take a risk otherwise the turn around simply wont occur.

An articulate first post that TD7, well done and welcome.

[Guest]

I've got to ask MattO, why are you here? This site is called "The Chookpen" and was established for the more fanatical Rooster supporter which you clearly could never be called. Are you here to cause trouble, to kick the supporters of the Roosters while they're down or to gloat at your team's restored success? As far as I'm concerned, any of the above three reasons shows a lack of class.

Additionally I would like to comment on your revisionism with respect to the "bred not bought" slogan that your team once used. I find it interesting that I no longer hear that slogan given that your team purchased a number of white only players from other clubs. If memory serves, that slogan was used to imply that your team didn't resort to the chequebook for new players like the Roosters are accused of so doing.

Now you say "bred not bought" is all about breeding a culture with the players in your team irrespective of whether they are juniors or established players from other clubs. As they say, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it must be a duck - revisionism.

I originally came to this forum to answer a question in regards to a Harold Matthews player I used coached in that side and he's a close family friend. He performed extremely well and just browsed it again the other day as I forgot if there was a follow-up. For the record I watched quite a few of your HM games and had a few discussions with the Coach of the side, who is a complete gentleman.

So I went into here and I replied as there's a strong Bulldogs Bling Culture at the Roosters.

I said I didn't buy or support the t-shirt campaign. It was Noad's final legacy of disaster.

When we buy players pre and post Noad we buy them to fit into our culture of success and those who want to be Bulldogs.

Do you think your raids on the Bulldogs playing stocks have been successful?

Your raids into Penrith was successful and all those years ago into Souths was even more successful. Did you get the right people from the Bulldogs?

The closest one to right was past his best as a Coach, but was never going to be a good fit because he and Politis are poles apart in cultures and traditions. Anderson is back helping the Bulldogs and he's been the main man behind Kimmorley coming to them and he got Ayoub and Harris from your training & rehab staff. Anderson has been great for the Bulldogs this year behind the scenes as an advisor.

The future of Easts were players like Tupou, Soliola and Perrett.

[Vasco]

I originally came to this forum to answer a question in regards to a Harold Matthews player I used coached in that side and he's a close family friend. He performed extremely well and just browsed it again the other day as I forgot if there was a follow-up. For the record I watched quite a few of your HM games and had a few discussions with the Coach of the side, who is a complete gentleman.

So I went into here and I replied as there's a strong Bulldogs Bling Culture at the Roosters.

I said I didn't buy or support the t-shirt campaign. It was Noad's final legacy of disaster.

When we buy players pre and post Noad we buy them to fit into our culture of success and those who want to be Bulldogs.

Do you think your raids on the Bulldogs playing stocks have been successful?

Your raids into Penrith was successful and all those years ago into Souths was even more successful. Did you get the right people from the Bulldogs?

The closest one to right was past his best as a Coach, but was never going to be a good fit because he and Politis are poles apart in cultures and traditions. Anderson is back helping the Bulldogs and he's been the main man behind Kimmorley coming to them and he got Ayoub and Harris from your training & rehab staff. Anderson has been great for the Bulldogs this year behind the scenes as an advisor.

The future of Easts were players like Tupou, Soliola and Perrett.

Soliola???

[Guest]

Why are you all responding to him? If MattO wants to flog himself and talk about the Roosters, let him do it at his second-rate website.

He has joined every Easts forum ever started so don't believe his tripe.

[TheLoneRooster]

I will answer your post in line ...

I originally came to this forum to answer a question in regards to a Harold Matthews player I used coached in that side and he's a close family friend... > snipped <

Fair enough.

So I went into here and I replied as there's a strong Bulldogs Bling Culture at the Roosters.

I have so many problems with this sentence. Your first reason for coming here was fine - a close family friend. This sentence contradicts that by saying you replied "as there's a strong Bulldogs Bling Culture at the Roosters." So which is it - close family friend or the aforementioned BBC?
And what, pray tell, does BBC mean? And how do you know there is a strong BBC at the Roosters - are you in the know at the Roosters?

I said I didn't buy or support the t-shirt campaign. It was Noad's final legacy of disaster.

I never said you did but you don't deny its existence or the meaning the slogan was meant to convey. Keep on blaming Noad if that helps you sleep at night.

When we buy players pre and post Noad we buy them to fit into our culture of success and those who want to be Bulldogs.

Oh really? I would suggest all clubs go out to buy players with the intent that those players will fit into their respective cultures of success and which players will also want to be members of that club - this is axiomatic and not at all a differentiating characteristic. This approach doesn't make your team any different to any other in intent and it is nice to see you admit that your team does indeed buy players just like the Roosters.

Do you think your raids on the Bulldogs playing stocks have been successful?

I will give you a straight answer here - no.
Now I will say that not all Roosters supporters were happy about the purchase of so many players from the one club.
I like your use of the word "raids" both here and below. Is that how you would describe your club's recent dealings with that team from Brisbane?

Your raids into Penrith was successful and all those years ago into Souths was even more successful.

LOL, you keep plugging away at that theme like the Roosters are the only club to have ever imported one or more players from other clubs. Shall I ask again from where the majority of your club's purchases for season 2009 originated.

Did you get the right people from the Bulldogs?

Asked and answered.

The closest one to right was past his best as a Coach, but was never going to be a good fit because he and Politis are poles apart in cultures and traditions. Anderson is back helping the Bulldogs and he's been the main man behind Kimmorley coming to them and he got Ayoub and Harris from your training & rehab staff. Anderson has been great for the Bulldogs this year behind the scenes as an advisor.

You are free to have an opinion on this matter but that is all it is, an opinion.
So, your club "raided" the Roosters support staff? Hope that's working out ...

The future of Easts were players like Tupou, Soliola and Perrett.

About the only thing you've said I don't have an issue with so well done.