A culture of caution

[Guest]

Why are you all responding to him? If MattO wants to flog himself and talk about the Roosters, let him do it at his second-rate website.

He has joined every Easts forum ever started so don't believe his tripe.

Nice to see you as happy as ever Lauren

How many posts did I make on The Wall before it was made private? You mistook me for Anastabation, Terri Lambert and some others.

[Guest]

I will answer your post in line ...


Fair enough.


I have so many problems with this sentence. Your first reason for coming here was fine - a close family friend. This sentence contradicts that by saying you replied "as there's a strong Bulldogs Bling Culture at the Roosters." So which is it - close family friend or the aforementioned BBC?
And what, pray tell, does BBC mean? And how do you know there is a strong BBC at the Roosters - are you in the know at the Roosters?


I never said you did but you don't deny its existence or the meaning the slogan was meant to convey. Keep on blaming Noad if that helps you sleep at night.


Oh really? I would suggest all clubs go out to buy players with the intent that those players will fit into their respective cultures of success and which players will also want to be members of that club - this is axiomatic and not at all a differentiating characteristic. This approach doesn't make your team any different to any other in intent and it is nice to see you admit that your team does indeed buy players just like the Roosters.


I will give you a straight answer here - no.
Now I will say that not all Roosters supporters were happy about the purchase of so many players from the one club.
I like your use of the word "raids" both here and below. Is that how you would describe your club's recent dealings with that team from Brisbane?


LOL, you keep plugging away at that theme like the Roosters are the only club to have ever imported one or more players from other clubs. Shall I ask again from where the majority of your club's purchases for season 2009 originated.


Asked and answered.


You are free to have an opinion on this matter but that is all it is, an opinion.
So, your club "raided" the Roosters support staff? Hope that's working out ...


About the only thing you've said I don't have an issue with so well done.

Lone Rooster.

Bling Culture means more talk than play where a loss can easily be fixed up by a big night at the Cross in the City or at the Cross by the Sea (Cronulla).

The Bulldogs under Moore and Nelson was a club traditional for its Family Club Culture and brought in players who had those values. It changed in recent years and had players who thought they were bigger than the club, eg, Anasta, Mason, SBW, O'Meley (he started off okay), Tonga, Kouparitsas, Holdsworth, Te Maari and of course Maitua. Roberts and Millard at this stage are looking to change their ways. Only Holdsworth and Te Maari are left from that era.

Look at the players they've brought in - they are all from good backgrounds and in some cases have families. Kimmorley, Hannant, Stagg, Hodgson and Ennis are family orientated people. Goodwin was unwanted by the Sharks looking for a chance and his older brother is a strict non-drinker. Eastwood is still young and he's working at managing a business with Utai and Kite (local juniors) when not playing or training. Gordon has been working hard, but I don't of him that well. He comes across as a quiet personality.

The four senior figures at the Bulldogs are all role models for the game on and off the field - El Masri, Kimmorley, Ryan and Patten and not to mention Utai, who has battled injuries this year.

Call me biased or deluded, etc, etc - but seriously what the Bulldogs did last year showed the blueprint for success. They have the advantage of 26 Bridge Rd, Belmore, but it takes more than just that to build success and right decision making.

The Bulldogs had to change the Board to remove Noad and some elements after an ill-fated move to SOPA (not ANZ) and they did that. When Noad resigned as a Director, the new CEO opted not to be a CEO and Director (clause was added under the by-laws of the NSWRL of the time) even though Moore was never a Director. So when a spot becaome available they got our most influential figure back into power. Peponis has since grown into a brilliant Chairman.

They changed the front office and made 15 changes, which included tapping Folkes on the shoulder. They appointed the right people in the right positions and they gave Moore the staff he needed, which is where Anderson played a huge role getting Dymock, Harris and Ayoub plus increase the roles of Patmore and Lamb and get rid of Johns. Ayoub in fairness has always followed wherever Anderson went.

Moore and the Board went through the key positions.

They lost Sherwin (who should never have been cut and was poorly treated by Folkes and the former Board). So they looked at what halfbacks were available and they needed one with leadership and experience and Kimmorley was the man. Bennett wanted him too and Anderson was able to convince him. Kimmorley was the key signing, but not the first.

Another area they knew they needed to strengthen was speed outwide and the Board got a tip off from Potter that Josh Morris is a centre and Brown has no idea how to use him or even select him there. They signed Morris and announced him as a centre and all the sudden dopey Brown plays him there and he was the Dragons best player last year.

Hooker was identified as a key position as pointed out in the Warren Ryan thread and the best on the market last year was Ennis and they signed him.

Next they needed to tighten up the front-row including looking for a potential leader so they went for Hannant to develop into a leader and Hodgson to add a cool experiended head to the side.

Tupou was on the market last year remember, but the Bulldogs already had Maitua, Ryan and SBW so the back-row wasn't a worry to them.

The game was passing Utai and El Masri by and Moore went on what the Broncos do so successfully and look for a good young kid at a cheap price with pace, height and some heart and Goodwin lobbed up. His older brother had two years at Canterbury and floats around the Bundy Cup scene. He has been a sensation.

The departure of SBW and the sacking of Maitua (great decision in hindsight) opened up opportuntunities to sign Stagg and Eastwood and Stagg IMO is the form back-rower in the NRL this year along with Creagh.

The Bulldogs wanted a utility backrower/centre and went for Gordon to fill that role as he came with potential and at a cheap price.

All the signings were done with a lot of planning behind them.

Kimmorley for Sherwin
Morris for Tonga
Stagg for Maitua
Eastwood for SBW
Hannant for O'Meley
Hodgson for Mason
Ennis for Hughes
Gordon for Emielo

Goodwin was added bonus.

Where have Easts planned their future success? This is what I'm asking. I'm not having a shot, but they tend to sign the latest fads on the market rather then be strategic behind it all.

[stsae]

I believe the central reasoning for our decline post 04 is based on around a fear of taking chances, the way the NRL works is a 4-5 year cycle, you build a team have 4-5 years of success and then lose your players too big money contracts and begin the rebuilding process. Brisbane are the only real example of a club who can stay up and that is all to do with their ownership. the roosters of 05 decided that they would attempt to match the Broncos, staying at the top of the game through a series of high profile purchases to carry the team forward. Buying instead of developing a team that could compete for the premiership.

this has created two problems.

The first problem that this has inevitabely created is our purchases have been safe purchases, rarely willing to look at the brilliant player but rather the safer option Mark Omeley to replace Adrian morely, Pearce to replace soward, anasta to replace fittler, aubs and soliola to replace Cross, even jaubs to replace lestrange, never willing to purchase a liability, to sacrifice security for excitement for brilliance. Hence we now have an old, slow, and weak team that has seen the highpoints of their careers pass at other clubs, and are not commited to the jersey and lack the speed and fitness to compete in the faster 2009 competition.

The second issue our attempts to remain at the top of the competition has created is the complete stunting of player development. We have spent the last 4 years looking for a quick fix, a superstar junior that will single handidly turn our fortunes around, and sadly because of it we lost our most talented junior in Soward. the reluctance to spend a year out of the 8 has lead to 3 years out of the 8 due to dud buys and safe players being unable to beat teams.

If we had taken the plunge given some of our 04 jersey flegg players the opportunities they deserved after being the greatest jersey flegg team ever then I dont hesitate to say that we would at the very least be a top 8 side. Team building does not happen overnight and thats the flaw in our approach.

We need a 5 year plan, we have the juniors too build it around, the likes of pearce, SKD, towers, symonds, and Sa have the ability to become amazing NRL players they just need to be given the time and development focus required. We need to take a risk otherwise the turn around simply wont occur.

Great post very hard to disagree with.


MattHo you are farking kidding. Sure you make some valid points, but where were you last season????? We made the top 4 and you ran last you carnt. What was wrong with your Bling Brigade then??? You now are here sprouting what we all know and have done for a long time you farkstikk. Go and get farked you gutless dipshit. BTW SonicBoomBoy your Admin, ROFLOL, any shred of credibility you may have maintained flew out your arse when I heard he was annointed. You turd muncher. How are you anyway???

[Pass the Ball]

This MattO fella seems popular..

[stsae]

This MattO fella seems popular..

MattHosama, could be the man hiding in the mountains himself.

[Guest]

Matto is only here to spruke shit. He may pretend to be a "friend" of Easts and its supporters, but you can rest assured his one and only reason for being here is to put shit on us and our club. It's just the kind of low life scum sucking farktard he is, he can't help it. Just ignore the rash of human excrement and he will dry up and blow away eventually.

TD7 great post mate, can't argue with any point you've made.

Chook.

[Guest]

Tell me this. Anasta had a big sook when he missed the NSW squad of 40 and how has he performed since that moment? He has barely been sighted on the field and failed to inspire the Roosters. Anasta is a proven under-performer when the acid is applied to him. His best game for the Roosters was the 2004 Grand Final closely followed by the 2003 Semi Final.

Actually you are wrong.....he did nothing of the sort, and you are a bigger fool than I took you for all these years if you actually believe all the hype that was written about it.......I bet you subscribe to telecrap each day too.....

I would have thought you would have drowned in your own excretement by now......so much of it dribbles from you mouth its unbelievable.....

[Guest]

ahhhh Matto, Matto, Matto. I know you love to think of yourself as a journo and your site as some sort of news outlet but you miss two key journalistic traits:

1. You don't research, you just talk shit
2. You can't write.

Next time you post, set yourself a challenge and try to stay under a thousand words

Troll!!

[TheLoneRooster]

The last thing I'll say to you MattO is that you've failed to answer the simple questions I posed you in my last post other than to comment at length on what the BBC means to you and what your team has done to resurrect itself. You can get off your high horse now, you've got nothing.

[Rooster_6]

Tell me this. Anasta had a big sook when he missed the NSW squad of 40 and how has he performed since that moment? He has barely been sighted on the field and failed to inspire the Roosters. Anasta is a proven under-performer when the acid is applied to him. His best game for the Roosters was the 2004 Grand Final closely followed by the 2003 Semi Final.

Yeah Anasta really had a sook, he was asked if he thought he was in the top 40 players and answered the question accordingly. He's a half, if his forward pack isn't going forward well then how can you even expect him to play his normal game... wait why even bother try to explain the simplistics of rugby league to you.

Think back to last year... missed the origin side... our side was depleted versing a near full strength Parra side... can anyone recall what happened obviously Matto has a selective memory?

[Guest]

Please play the issues and not the man. I have a lot of good friends that support the Roosters including the Cannon amongst others.

I said that 2008 was the year from hell we had to have to rebuild our club. The Bling Brigade are good in short bursts as your club is now finding out. Mason and O'Meley have lost their interest. Anasta is sooking too much.

Why did Fittler sack Fitzgibbon as captain?

These are valid points.

I don't think it's the Culture of Caution for the Roosters. It's a Culture of Panic and Fads for the Roosters.

There was a reason Kouparitsas didn't get a run this year at Canterbury and now he's united with all his drinking buddies.

The Roosters seem to be playing as individuals and not as a team.

They got worked out last year and they still play the game way with the opposition prepared before the bomb raid begins.

If I mentioned all the players the Roosters have snared from the Bulldogs it would be well over 1000 words

Just to finish off. Fact is that I watched a fair bit of your HM games this year and had the odd discussion with John Dowall, who is a very nice person and a credit to ESJRL.

You all praised me indirectly on the Juniors forum when me in my position at the Canterbury Bankstown Junior League referred to the HM side as their real name - ESJRL

[Guest]

Yeah Anasta really had a sook, he was asked if he thought he was in the top 40 players and answered the question accordingly. He's a half, if his forward pack isn't going forward well then how can you even expect him to play his normal game... wait why even bother try to explain the simplistics of rugby league to you.

Think back to last year... missed the origin side... our side was depleted versing a near full strength Parra side... can anyone recall what happened obviously Matto has a selective memory?

Has Anasta performed since that day to warrant why he should be in the NSW Top 40? You think he do that bit extra and more so since he's captain.....

[stsae]

Please play the issues and not the man. I have a lot of good friends that support the Roosters including the Cannon amongst others.

I said that 2008 was the year from hell we had to have to rebuild our club. The Bling Brigade are good in short bursts as your club is now finding out. Mason and O'Meley have lost their interest. Anasta is sooking too much.

Why did Fittler sack Fitzgibbon as captain?

These are valid points.

I don't think it's the Culture of Caution for the Roosters. It's a Culture of Panic and Fads for the Roosters.

There was a reason Kouparitsas didn't get a run this year at Canterbury and now he's united with all his drinking buddies.

The Roosters seem to be playing as individuals and not as a team.

They got worked out last year and they still play the game way with the opposition prepared before the bomb raid begins.

If I mentioned all the players the Roosters have snared from the Bulldogs it would be well over 1000 words

Just to finish off. Fact is that I watched a fair bit of your HM games this year and had the odd discussion with John Dowall, who is a very nice person and a credit to ESJRL.

You all praised me indirectly on the Juniors forum when me in my position at the Canterbury Bankstown Junior League referred to the HM side as their real name - ESJRL

Shit why didnt any of us dumbarse Easts fans think of any of that.

You still are a twit mate.

So where was all this "captain obvious" dribble last season???

You never were good at answering questions or staying on topic. You just preach in hindsite and want to look like you actually know what the fark youre on about.

[Guest]

Has Anasta performed since that day to warrant why he should be in the NSW Top 40? You think he do that bit extra and more so since he's captain.....

Matt0,

this is not a direct response to your point about Anasta but rather your points in general, im not going to smeer you as simply a twit or whatever, cos i believe here you have made an honest attempt to make a good point, but i do want to ask some questions about your ideas.

The relationship between the roosters and the bulldogs bling culture is ridiculous, im sorry but its a poorly founded vendetta, its got nothing to do with a drinking culture of poor attitude, and the reasons for this rest in the 05 dogs and the 08 roosters. the 05 Dogs were a great side they had most of these players and yet they were one of the toughest strongest teams in the comp up until an unfortunate semifinal loss, the 08 roosters were the same, a tough hardworking side that quite simply Beat teams physically. Your superiority complex about the new dogs has created a flaw in your ideas where you see a technical problem as an attitude problem.

we still try, we still care, we are just damn slow, the game cant be one by bashing teams this year, the sport is too quick, the ruck is too clean, we are the team along with the sharks that have suffered most, last years wrestle is this years ruck speed, its completely transfromed, quite frankly you have recruited speed around the ruck, we have not . every single one of your players could go out and get pissed for 5 days before a game and we could be a picture of sobriety and you would still win, because you are technically and stylistically better. It is as simple as that.

so, i do appreciate your attempt at discussion, it seems genuine, however i dont think your complex is warranted or your opinions even close to correct.

[melon....]

Am I right? Born not Bred is about Culture and I never purchased a shirt. That was Noad's final legacy in a few doomed years we had.

Why did you buy Mason, O'Meley and Kouparitsas? They were the latest fads on the market. Was there any serious planning behind it all? There was a reason Koups was on the bench in Baa's side and it had nothing to do with him wanting out, but more to do with the Beverley Hills Hotel.

Wing wins you a competition at halfback and you shaft him to hooker as Finch is the latest fad on the market and Bonetti is told to retire.

Signing Mason forced your hand in losing Tupou. Mason IMO is a better player career wise, but Mason's success came when at the Bulldogs and his one game against the Bulldogs. Tupou was developed by your club.

I said clearly a lot of Canterbury's great mid-80's side were imported from other clubs. Only Folkes, Robinson and O'Brien were local juniors that started off with Canterbury, Lamb was a local junior via Wests and the three Mortimer's, Farrar, Langmack, Potter, Hagan, Gillespie, Callinan and Boyd came through the system of spotting young kids. The others Kelly, Tunks, Bugden, Dunn, Brohman, Johnstone, Gould, Battese, Sigsworth, Leis and Mullane were all imported players. Although Battese and Lamb left when Wests became defunct (later to be challenged), Kelly and Bugden left when Newtown folded and Tunks was cut by Souths.

Look at the players Canterbury have signed on the field and the people they have signed off the field. They signed players who will be bred into the Bulldogs Family Culture and removed the Party and Bling Culture, which mostly has transferred to your Club. The signings were planned and nicely calculated.

The Roosters have had a habit of signing the latest fads on the market without any serious logic or forward planning.

Short term pain in 2008 has resulted in the traditional and feared Bulldogs culture and success return in a massive way.

Why sign Mason, O'Meley and Kouparitsas if it means losing Tupou and Fitzgibbon (two pure Roosters IMO)????

The only player I would sign from your Club at the current moment would be Perrett.

As i said...you hate us. Why are you here?