A culture of caution

[stsae]

Matt0,

this is not a direct response to your point about Anasta but rather your points in general, im not going to smeer you as simply a twit or whatever, cos i believe here you have made an honest attempt to make a good point, but i do want to ask some questions about your ideas.

The relationship between the roosters and the bulldogs bling culture is ridiculous, im sorry but its a poorly founded vendetta, its got nothing to do with a drinking culture of poor attitude, and the reasons for this rest in the 05 dogs and the 08 roosters. the 05 Dogs were a great side they had most of these players and yet they were one of the toughest strongest teams in the comp up until an unfortunate semifinal loss, the 08 roosters were the same, a tough hardworking side that quite simply Beat teams physically. Your superiority complex about the new dogs has created a flaw in your ideas where you see a technical problem as an attitude problem.

we still try, we still care, we are just damn slow, the game cant be one by bashing teams this year, the sport is too quick, the ruck is too clean, we are the team along with the sharks that have suffered most, last years wrestle is this years ruck speed, its completely transfromed, quite frankly you have recruited speed around the ruck, we have not . every single one of your players could go out and get pissed for 5 days before a game and we could be a picture of sobriety and you would still win, because you are technically and stylistically better. It is as simple as that.

so, i do appreciate your attempt at discussion, it seems genuine, however i dont think your complex is warranted or your opinions even close to correct.

Damn thats a great post again.

Surely MattHo wont be able to argue, in fact Id call it an old fashioned OWNED moment.

[Guest]

Matt0,

this is not a direct response to your point about Anasta but rather your points in general, im not going to smeer you as simply a twit or whatever, cos i believe here you have made an honest attempt to make a good point, but i do want to ask some questions about your ideas.

The relationship between the roosters and the bulldogs bling culture is ridiculous, im sorry but its a poorly founded vendetta, its got nothing to do with a drinking culture of poor attitude, and the reasons for this rest in the 05 dogs and the 08 roosters. the 05 Dogs were a great side they had most of these players and yet they were one of the toughest strongest teams in the comp up until an unfortunate semifinal loss, the 08 roosters were the same, a tough hardworking side that quite simply Beat teams physically. Your superiority complex about the new dogs has created a flaw in your ideas where you see a technical problem as an attitude problem.

we still try, we still care, we are just damn slow, the game cant be one by bashing teams this year, the sport is too quick, the ruck is too clean, we are the team along with the sharks that have suffered most, last years wrestle is this years ruck speed, its completely transfromed, quite frankly you have recruited speed around the ruck, we have not . every single one of your players could go out and get pissed for 5 days before a game and we could be a picture of sobriety and you would still win, because you are technically and stylistically better. It is as simple as that.

so, i do appreciate your attempt at discussion, it seems genuine, however i dont think your complex is warranted or your opinions even close to correct.

You mean the 2006 side and it's good to see someone talk about the issues.

The 2006 side was more talented than the 2009 Canterbury side. Much more talented. The difference is that the 2009 has a lot of heart and always find ways to stay in contests against the odds. The 2009 side will only get better in the coming years and more so if we can replace Kimmorley adequately when his time is up.

To me I just didn't think there was clear progression planning in the Roosters and it has been a chequebook culture as Paul Booth side in that article on Rleague. The only time the Roosters really looked to be building into success was 2000 into 2001 and into 2002 and you won a Premiership. I still mention 2001 as you made the Finals that year, but a few players didn't fire and perform. You recruited in key areas and blooded a lot of players along the way. Having Murray was a huge benefit.

Signing Finch because he was the latest fad on the market was a huge mistake and same with tempting Walker out of Souths. They seemed to be more signings out of spite to the opposition and not signings with any serious planning. I know Roberts did well for Easts, but did they need to spend the money in his position?

Was there any planning in signing Mason? It just allowed him to be closer to Anasta and Minichiello, which was always going to be fraught with danger.

Noad made horrendous mistakes and had no progression planning at Canterbury and look where we ended up. We've recruited a new side, but you can see serious planning and judgement put into building this side. That's where I see the difference.

Canterbury always played bash and barge football under Folkes, but Moore knew we needed to be more creative around the ruck area and went out and wanted Ennis and Kimmorley. It has proved to be a big difference.

So you mention the ruck area, Easts had one of the best exponents in the ruck area and allowed him to walk away so they could sign more Canterbury players. It doesn't really make much sense. Harrison was a very mobile forward and he was forced out to fit in another Canterbury player.

One of your Directors wanted to bring in a Canterbury culture, but aside from Anderson and Myles did you bring in the right characters of people to have the Bulldogs culture. Myles is an old fashioned Canterbury no-nonsense forward. Anderson and Politis are from two totally different cultures.

The balance in the boardroom at Canterbury is just right. You have players with a feel for the game and know the real world and you have two very successful businessmen with an unbelievable understanding of the games culture. Leading the ship as CEO is a very forthright, well spoken and hard working administrator that grew up as a supporter and confesses to wearing a No.7 jersey on 1980 Grand Final Day - he and Gallop may have both been in the crowd cheering for Mortimer and Hastings respectively that day. He's had various jobs at all levels in League, Cricket and Venue Management levels and has learned his trade from Bullfrog and Punchy. He knows how to utilise the strengths of Canterbury's network. The Chairman was a former Australian Captain, who bucked the trend by being the first mediteranian to play Rugby League for Australia and he was a Doctor - not a garbo or brickie. An intelligent man with the right people alongside him and has great respect for his achievements as a player and in his profession.

What's the balance at the Roosters? Is there a great balance in the boardroom or is the boardroom full of those that want quick instant results.

Our board was planning for 2010 and 2011. It's come quicker because the coach was so far ahead of the game in terms of what he wanted and we had the right wheelers and dealers in place.

PS Melon. I originally came in here to find out something about Harold Matthews and I've explained that MANY times. Yes I am a close family friend to probably your best HM player this year and I'm doing my best to keep him in your development system as he wants to stay there. He said he was well treated by the coach (SKD's Dad) and the poeple there. Got an issue mate? I rather Mulholland get him and be part of the Belmore culture, but the kids priorities comes first and I'm pushing for your club to have an U/17 Development Squad.

[melon....]

You mean the 2006 side and it's good to see someone talk about the issues.

The 2006 side was more talented than the 2009 Canterbury side. Much more talented. The difference is that the 2009 has a lot of heart and always find ways to stay in contests against the odds. The 2009 side will only get better in the coming years and more so if we can replace Kimmorley adequately when his time is up.

To me I just didn't think there was clear progression planning in the Roosters and it has been a chequebook culture as Paul Booth side in that article on Rleague. The only time the Roosters really looked to be building into success was 2000 into 2001 and into 2002 and you won a Premiership. I still mention 2001 as you made the Finals that year, but a few players didn't fire and perform. You recruited in key areas and blooded a lot of players along the way. Having Murray was a huge benefit.

Signing Finch because he was the latest fad on the market was a huge mistake and same with tempting Walker out of Souths. They seemed to be more signings out of spite to the opposition and not signings with any serious planning. I know Roberts did well for Easts, but did they need to spend the money in his position?

Was there any planning in signing Mason? It just allowed him to be closer to Anasta and Minichiello, which was always going to be fraught with danger.

Noad made horrendous mistakes and had no progression planning at Canterbury and look where we ended up. We've recruited a new side, but you can see serious planning and judgement put into building this side. That's where I see the difference.

Canterbury always played bash and barge football under Folkes, but Moore knew we needed to be more creative around the ruck area and went out and wanted Ennis and Kimmorley. It has proved to be a big difference.

So you mention the ruck area, Easts had one of the best exponents in the ruck area and allowed him to walk away so they could sign more Canterbury players. It doesn't really make much sense. Harrison was a very mobile forward and he was forced out to fit in another Canterbury player.

One of your Directors wanted to bring in a Canterbury culture, but aside from Anderson and Myles did you bring in the right characters of people to have the Bulldogs culture. Myles is an old fashioned Canterbury no-nonsense forward. Anderson and Politis are from two totally different cultures.

The balance in the boardroom at Canterbury is just right. You have players with a feel for the game and know the real world and you have two very successful businessmen with an unbelievable understanding of the games culture. Leading the ship as CEO is a very forthright, well spoken and hard working administrator that grew up as a supporter and confesses to wearing a No.7 jersey on 1980 Grand Final Day - he and Gallop may have both been in the crowd cheering for Mortimer and Hastings respectively that day. He's had various jobs at all levels in League, Cricket and Venue Management levels and has learned his trade from Bullfrog and Punchy. He knows how to utilise the strengths of Canterbury's network. The Chairman was a former Australian Captain, who bucked the trend by being the first mediteranian to play Rugby League for Australia and he was a Doctor - not a garbo or brickie. An intelligent man with the right people alongside him and has great respect for his achievements as a player and in his profession.

What's the balance at the Roosters? Is there a great balance in the boardroom or is the boardroom full of those that want quick instant results.

Our board was planning for 2010 and 2011. It's come quicker because the coach was so far ahead of the game in terms of what he wanted and we had the right wheelers and dealers in place.

PS Melon. I originally came in here to find out something about Harold Matthews and I've explained that MANY times. Yes I am a close family friend to probably your best HM player this year and I'm doing my best to keep him in your development system as he wants to stay there. He said he was well treated by the coach (SKD's Dad) and the poeple there. Got an issue mate? I rather Mulholland get him and be part of the Belmore culture, but the kids priorities comes first and I'm pushing for your club to have an U/17 Development Squad.

Stick to the Harrold Matts thread. You hate Easts...why are you here?

[Guest]

Stick to the Harrold Matts thread. You hate Easts...why are you here?

I think I have given some good views Melon. Again I ask has it been a Culture of Caution or has it been a Culture of the Chequebook or Culture of wanting to be like Canterbury? The Roosters did Canterbury a huge favour getting the bling brigade away from them and I hear they are set to offer Roberts a huge deal.

[Guest]

Maybe the Culture Of Freddy would be more apt, saw this bumped recently and felt it needed to be shared again:

O'Meley, who spent six years at Belmore, said the Roosters were building a culture that would rival any club in the NRL. "At the Roosters, I see a club with a new coach (Brad Fittler) and a new environment, with us building a culture," O'Meley said.

"It is unreal. We are all tight, we all work together, we train in big squads.

"We are building a new culture and the Roosters put the players and family first. We haven't taken the Bulldogs culture. It is a new culture created by Freddy."

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...006066,00.html

[Pass the Ball]

Maybe the Culture Of Freddy would be more apt, saw this bumped recently and felt it needed to be shared again:



http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...006066,00.html

Unfortunately that was then and this is now...

12 months ago anyone in the squad would have taken machine-gun fire for Freddy...

This is no longer the case..

Just ask O'Meley what he thinks of Easts culture now....

Fluff piece from 12 months ago when things were nice and fluffy..

[melon....]

I think I have given some good views Melon. Again I ask has it been a Culture of Caution or has it been a Culture of the Chequebook or Culture of wanting to be like Canterbury? The Roosters did Canterbury a huge favour getting the bling brigade away from them and I hear they are set to offer Roberts a huge deal.

Nobody wants to be like Canterbury you obsessed ****wit.

Why are you here, you hate Easts??

[Guest]

Nobody wants to be like Canterbury you obsessed ****wit.

Why are you here, you hate Easts??

Braith Anasta
Charles Tonga (formerly known as Charlie)
Nate Myles
Mark O'Meley
Willie Mason
Nick Kouparitsas
Chris Anderson

Not to mention interest in Sonny Bill Williams and Ben Roberts. Formerly had interest in Willie Tonga.

There is a patten developing here (pardon the pun).....

[Rooster_6]

Has Anasta performed since that day to warrant why he should be in the NSW Top 40? You think he do that bit extra and more so since he's captain.....

The funny thing is I think you might be trying to act serious... you realise that the Parra game was halfway through the season... maybe he picked up the Jack Gibson medal for playing half a season or the Player's player for playing half a season... in answer to your question yes he has put in plenty of performances since then to warrant selection in the top 40.

[Guest]

Braith Anasta
Charles Tonga (formerly known as Charlie)
Nate Myles
Mark O'Meley
Willie Mason
Nick Kouparitsas
Chris Anderson

Not to mention interest in Sonny Bill Williams and Ben Roberts. Formerly had interest in Willie Tonga.

There is a patten developing here (pardon the pun).....

Same can be said for the bulldogs and all their brisbane imports.........

[Guest]

he has put in plenty of performances since then to warrant selection in the top 40.

I'd definitely put him in the top 16 NRL fullbacks from the last round, no doubt.

[Vasco]

Braith Anasta
Charles Tonga (formerly known as Charlie)
Nate Myles
Mark O'Meley
Willie Mason
Nick Kouparitsas
Chris Anderson

Not to mention interest in Sonny Bill Williams and Ben Roberts. Formerly had interest in Willie Tonga.

There is a patten developing here (pardon the pun).....

The crazy thing is your club was allowed to keep those players plus many more including buying another rep player in Andrew Ryan, and win a premiership two seasons later.

David Gallop is doing a great job.

[Billy Gunn]

Braith Anasta
Charles Tonga (formerly known as Charlie)
Nate Myles
Mark O'Meley
Willie Mason
Nick Kouparitsas
Chris Anderson

Not to mention interest in Sonny Bill Williams and Ben Roberts. Formerly had interest in Willie Tonga.

There is a patten developing here (pardon the pun).....

We could make the same argument about Souths taking Roosters players

Dogs taking Bronco's players

As for player we have had interest in........if you believe the Tele and you probably would we have interest in every player that comes on the market

[Billy Gunn]

The crazy thing is your club was allowed to keep those players plus many more including buying another rep player in Andrew Ryan, and win a premiership two seasons later.

David Gallop is doing a great job.

And we get called the Rorters

[Guest]

The crazy thing is your club was allowed to keep those players plus many more including buying another rep player in Andrew Ryan, and win a premiership two seasons later.

David Gallop is doing a great job.

The Bulldogs lost Darren Smith, Paul Rauhihi, Darrell Trindall, Brett Howland (didn't come that cheap), Nigel Vagana, Willie Talau, Travis Norton, Steve Reardon, Glenn Hall, Todd Polglase, Shane Marteene.