Who are the current board of directors??

[supermario]

The board do not need to have played league to be a board member.

I we had past players we would have a board that would look like souffs pre sell out with someone like piggins in charge.

i will re quote Bill shankley:

At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.

This rings true, the Board is there to make the finacial desicions, the coach and his support staff should be making the desicions on players.

The board should remove themselves from making those desicions and the onus for player retention and recruitment should fall square on the coach and his staff.

The only time the board should question a signing or get involved with a signing if they feel the is a) inaction on a potential positive signing to a club or B) there is a potential negative signing.

Then it is up to the coach to explain the pros and cons of signing or not signing a player.

[trewhella]

Mario, the point you are trying to get across is how a football club SHOULD be run not in fact how it is actually run.

You think these corporate "big shots" would be happy to just sign cheques and take a back seat.

You are mistaken Mario.
They want their opinions heard.
They want to think that they have impact and influence.

What they dont want is people pointing out their inadequacies and when they get it wrong.
These types of men hate failure but they cant see that they are a huge part of the problem

[supermario]

Mario, the point you are trying to get across is how a football club SHOULD be run not in fact how it is actually run.

You think these corporate "big shots" would be happy to just sign cheques and take a back seat.

You are mistaken Mario.
They want their opinions heard.
They want to think that they have impact and influence.

What they dont want is people pointing out their inadequacies and when they get it wrong.
These types of men hate failure but they cant see that they are a huge part of the problem

Agreed that this is what they should be doing and not what they are doing.

I think the aftermath from Stuart letting go of quality players and causing an inbalance in the team structure forced the boards hand in taking signing into their own hands.

Continuing with freddy as an inexperienced coach, they probably feel the need to step in. Which i think is wrong.

Personally, if they do get a coaching director, the board will then have no reason to get involved with signing of players........the way it should be.

[Guest]

Mario, the point you are trying to get across is how a football club SHOULD be run not in fact how it is actually run.

You think these corporate "big shots" would be happy to just sign cheques and take a back seat.

You are mistaken Mario.
They want their opinions heard.
They want to think that they have impact and influence.

What they dont want is people pointing out their inadequacies and when they get it wrong.
These types of men hate failure but they cant see that they are a huge part of the problem

Agree with Trew on this.

These blokes who may (APPEAR) successful are always after the bottom line - success or failure. It's about reading the profit and loss or balance sheet for them. So they make decisions, like cutting staff to reduce costs to make the profit look bigger.

You look at CEO's, 99.999% will try to increase profit by cutting costs - ie cutting staff. Only .0001% will look to increase profits by increasing revenue - because it's far, far harder.

But if you read books by Jack Gibson or Wayne Bennett, they'll always talk about the intangibles that effect success or failure - not the bottom line. For example, how do you value a bloke like Bunny Reily or Grant Hedger? Blokes who don't produce in the bottom line by scoring 100 metre tries, but who have a never say die attitude which infects those around them? How do you put value on improvement? Gibson always picked the ones who improved because he said 'he doesn't know when they'll stop improving'. These are all intangibles which blokes in business just don't have the time for.

[Guest]

Can anybody see the problem.

The whole point of this thread is that men who have had success with business are making decisions on running a footy club.

Fennessy McGuiness dont know em.
But Bouris should have no influence at all after Chris Anderson and the Canterbury hybridisation of Easts that has a disastrous impact.
Nick sees a different game to me and he loved Brett Finch and signs the wrong players year after year. Gould must also take reponsibility here also as he is Nicks chief advisor and he loves Brett Finch.

You managed to pick all the faults with people involved with the club, which is an easy thing to do from the outside....But what do you suggest we do to fix the place, as a couchman ?

[Guest]

Agree with Trew on this.

These blokes who may (APPEAR) successful are always after the bottom line - success or failure. It's about reading the profit and loss or balance sheet for them. So they make decisions, like cutting staff to reduce costs to make the profit look bigger.

You look at CEO's, 99.999% will try to increase profit by cutting costs - ie cutting staff. Only .0001% will look to increase profits by increasing revenue - because it's far, far harder.

But if you read books by Jack Gibson or Wayne Bennett, they'll always talk about the intangibles that effect success or failure - not the bottom line. For example, how do you value a bloke like Bunny Reily or Grant Hedger? Blokes who don't produce in the bottom line by scoring 100 metre tries, but who have a never say die attitude which infects those around them? How do you put value on improvement? Gibson always picked the ones who improved because he said 'he doesn't know when they'll stop improving'. These are all intangibles which blokes in business just don't have the time for.

Same response as above...Yes we are crap, and we can all pick the bad points easily, but if you had half a clue you'd answer your own question by telling us all how to fix it.

So at present.....you've got a big fat donut......nothing.

[Rooster_6]

Mario, the point you are trying to get across is how a football club SHOULD be run not in fact how it is actually run.

You think these corporate "big shots" would be happy to just sign cheques and take a back seat.

You are mistaken Mario.
They want their opinions heard.
They want to think that they have impact and influence.

What they dont want is people pointing out their inadequacies and when they get it wrong.
These types of men hate failure but they cant see that they are a huge part of the problem

How does someone who knows so much about our board have to ask the question of who is on the board in the first place? Lets face it not many of us would have any inside information on what goes on there and those that do would never post it on a public forum. You're outlining the pros and cons of having a board then applying it to our club only because we are in a poor situation at the moment.

[Guest]

Is seems like a bit of a witch hunt at the moment. Anyone and everyone is to blame for the situation the team is in. How many of the current board were there when we made 4 out of 5 GF's?

[trewhella]

Same response as above...Yes we are crap, and we can all pick the bad points easily, but if you had half a clue you'd answer your own question by telling us all how to fix it.

So at present.....you've got a big fat donut......nothing.

I am not on the board mate.

I am merely a lifelong supporter.
I have opinions but its not my job to fix the current problem.
Its yours if you are on the board.
What are your solutions?

[Guest]

I am not on the board mate.

I am merely a lifelong supporter.
I have opinions but its not my job to fix the current problem.
Its yours if you are on the board.
What are your solutions?

Get the Broncos blueprint and follow it .

[trewhella]

Yeah cannot agree with that.

Its the same principle as Bouris and his dogs philiosophy.

How can you compare Brisbane to us in "real" terms.
They get 40 000 to a game.
They had the same coach for 20 years.(Who is clearly the best at it.)
They market to one capital city.
They have board members who pay the bills out of their own pocket.


The key to this whole mess is to determine who and what is effective.
How does one measure effectiveness at a footy club??

Its clear and simple to see the effectiveness as a coach.
Win/Loss ratio.

But the trainers, support staff, the assistants, the board members,sponsors.. anybody who comes into contact with the players needs to realise that they impact the culture and the results.

By far if I have one major criticism of our club over the last 5 years is the constant fragmentation year after year.

There are some people there in my opinion who do not have the respect of the players and seek to disenchant the proud history of the club.

Think about it.
What do we as a club stand for and represent??
Who are we?
Why are we here??
Where are we going?
Wherer should we be?
How will we get there?

[Pass the Ball]

I can see what the question is Trew...

Who has the vision...???

Nick had it in the seventies and eighties...

Then Gus had it in the nineties and for some of the noughties...

Who has the vision now...The Bouris vision was a failure...

[Billy Gunn]

I can see what the question is Trew...

Who has the vision...???

Nick had it in the seventies and eighties...

Then Gus had it in the nineties and for some of the noughties...

Who has the vision now...The Bouris vision was a failure...

I wouldn't underestimate Bouris, you don't get it right all the time and he might have been the "Wizard" who wanted to adopt another clubs identity but he is successful in business because he has enormous drive and will to succeed.

I hope he and the board start the process of building a Roosters Culture that is full of pride and committment to it's supporters, history and players.

As long as they are only focussing on those thing you can change then we will move forward, we can't change the past !!!!

[trewhella]

There is no vision.

[Guest]

Mario, the point you are trying to get across is how a football club SHOULD be run not in fact how it is actually run.

You think these corporate "big shots" would be happy to just sign cheques and take a back seat.

You are mistaken Mario.
They want their opinions heard.
They want to think that they have impact and influence.

What they dont want is people pointing out their inadequacies and when they get it wrong.
These types of men hate failure but they cant see that they are a huge part of the problem

Maybe the problem is not that the Board are business people (which they need to be) but that they are Chooks fans. As silly as this may sound, it is better if the board do not have an emotional investment in an operational outcome.

If supporters like all of us here were on the board, decision making would likely to be as erratic and short term as we keep seeing from this club. Maybe that's the problem.