Robbo on last chance- review of club performances required - NRL

[milanja]

Yep on paper, compared to us, the cheats, the sharks, without Thurston and Scott are an average line up. Hence their 8th place finish to the regular season (8/16 - average)

They should have been penalised but they got away with it. Just like Melbourne do - we need to learn how to play penalty free football and get away with it.

What keeps making people think we are a super line up? How many of our players would be a top priority signing for another club? Cordner,toops,jwh,sst,latrell. The rest are no better or worse than clubs already have.

[The Thracian]

I've never agreed with everything Robbo or any coach does. Come next Sunday there will be 15 sets of supporters all telling their coach what he did wrong.

We all obviously have our own opinnions and views on the game but what I can't disagree with is the facts. Take the emotion out of it.

We were a 15th placed side entering a rebuilding period and we've finished second and 1 game away from the Grand Final far exceeding fan, expert and bookies expectations of the squad we had. We've released a lot of dead wood, made a world class signing, retained some top class players and developed some really good talent for next year.

In most work places around the world that would be deserving of a bonus. Only in the emotional hysteria of proffesional sport could someone deliver those results and someone have the balls to suggest they're on their last chance.

We were not rebuilding at all, that is a cop out,

we may have placed 15th but you as well as I know we were not a 15th placed side last season, we may have finished 2nd this season and feel all warm and fuzzy but we were very very ordinary at times, the only difference between this year and last was we somehow won the close games we managed to throw away last year, that was the only improvement, we let go of our best center in recent times sacked on a whim, gee we could have used him last night the same boneheaded players make the same boneheaded mistakes, we let go of one of the most promising youngsters in the game to continually back an underperforming half that promises so much at times but continues to disappoint on the big stage.

we may have improved on the ladder but our footy has gone backwards

[Arties Pie]

I will probably have a different opinion to most here but although Robbo in my opinion has made some baffling bench choices this year he isn't the problem, the players that are always making the same mistakes will always make those mistakes it's just who they are. In saying that over the last few years we have lost some real weapons in attack as in SBW, RTS, Jenko and Maloney and replaced them with what. In the forwards we have lost Moa, Matagi, LOD ect these forwards added some real mongrel to the pack and go forward.
Until we get some better personnel it's not going to change.

[Johnny Tobin]

We were not rebuilding at all, that is a cop out,

we may have placed 15th but you as well as I know we were not a 15th placed side last season, we may have finished 2nd this season and feel all warm and fuzzy but we were very very ordinary at times, the only difference between this year and last was we somehow won the close games we managed to throw away last year, that was the only improvement, we let go of our best center in recent times sacked on a whim, gee we could have used him last night the same boneheaded players make the same boneheaded mistakes, we let go of one of the most promising youngsters in the game to continually back an underperforming half that promises so much at times but continues to disappoint on the big stage.

we may have improved on the ladder but our footy has gone backwards

You lost me with that last bit. You seriously think that our footy went backwards from last season?

[ROC181]

We wouldn't of finished 15th had we had Cordner JWH and Pearce at the start, and then later we lost SST.

The other nonsense from Robbo is the notion that because we've won many games by less than 6 points is a good thing attributed to the notion that we win in the end. It's all BS because many of those close wins were with crap teams like the Titans. Unfortunately the inability to win comfortably showed a lack of maintaining focus the whole game. Bellamy wouldn't dish out that nonsense and be happy with it.

[The Thracian]

You lost me with that last bit. You seriously think that our footy went backwards from last season?

i sure do, we had injuries last season finishing 2nd on the ladder looked great, but got their more on good luck than good management, most of our wins were extremely ugly and at full strength most of the time, last season we lost some very tight games on the back of dud decisions numourous injuries and drunken childish antics leading to suspensions, loses you could actually be proud of, this year at near full strength on a weekly basis we eked out wins against an ordinary dogs team, the titans, The Merge, twice against the Knights and an ordinary win against the Tigers, winning extremely ugly in those games only masked the fact we played, dumb, I'll disciplined ordinary footy.

yeah we played some great footy, the game against the Eels probably our best, we got ourselves out of a hole, created by ourselves, we never learnt from that.

i am sure others may think differently that's fine, these are my thoughts

all I know is if you cover a turd in whipped cream and chocolate it may look great, in the end it is still a turd

[bondi.boy]

I will probably have a different opinion to most here but although Robbo in my opinion has made some baffling bench choices this year he isn't the problem, the players that are always making the same mistakes will always make those mistakes it's just who they are. In saying that over the last few years we have lost some real weapons in attack as in SBW, RTS, Jenko and Maloney and
replaced them with what. In the forwards we have lost Moa, Matagi, LOD ect these forwards added some real mongrel to the pack and go forward.
Until we get some better personnel it's not going to change.

Indeed.
But from where do we get better personnel, who don't each want $800,000 a season?

No teams are ordinary today.
Any teams that take other teams lightly are crazy.

Anyway, no matter who we recruit...seems to be that if it's not your turn it's not your turn.
Seems to be all about turns these days.

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[Thirteen]

I really don't like the term 'rebuilding'. We had a crap season last year so this year we are just 'rebuilding'. What a load of crap and a poor excuse. The crap season last year just shouldnt have happened.

[ROC181]

I really don't like the term 'rebuilding'. We had a crap season last year so this year we are just 'rebuilding'. What a load of crap and a poor excuse. The crap season last year just shouldnt have happened.

Every team rebuilds in the new year. The storm with Ado Carr, Croft and I think Finucane. broncos with Marshall, Simms, Pangai jnr. Souths with Chrichton. I suppose next year we will be rebuilding with Tedesco and maybe a new number..? That rebuilding excuse is outdated.

We had the ability to play better than the storm, if only we could do it for 80 mins.

[Johnny Tobin]

i sure do, we had injuries last season finishing 2nd on the ladder looked great, but got their more on good luck than good management, most of our wins were extremely ugly and at full strength most of the time, last season we lost some very tight games on the back of dud decisions numourous injuries and drunken childish antics leading to suspensions, loses you could actually be proud of, this year at near full strength on a weekly basis we eked out wins against an ordinary dogs team, the titans, The Merge, twice against the Knights and an ordinary win against the Tigers, winning extremely ugly in those games only masked the fact we played, dumb, I'll disciplined ordinary footy.

yeah we played some great footy, the game against the Eels probably our best, we got ourselves out of a hole, created by ourselves, we never learnt from that.

i am sure others may think differently that's fine, these are my thoughts

all I know is if you cover a turd in whipped cream and chocolate it may look great, in the end it is still a turd

I agree that I thought the side was a hell of a lot better than it actually was. But this side would murder last season's one.

[Rooster_6]

We were not rebuilding at all, that is a cop out,

we may have placed 15th but you as well as I know we were not a 15th placed side last season, we may have finished 2nd this season and feel all warm and fuzzy but we were very very ordinary at times, the only difference between this year and last was we somehow won the close games we managed to throw away last year, that was the only improvement, we let go of our best center in recent times sacked on a whim, gee we could have used him last night the same boneheaded players make the same boneheaded mistakes, we let go of one of the most promising youngsters in the game to continually back an underperforming half that promises so much at times but continues to disappoint on the big stage.

we may have improved on the ladder but our footy has gone backwards

No we were a 15th placed team last year. We were woeful. That is fact, you can't deny that.

Even when Pearce, JWH & Cordner were all back on deck we were still only a 33% team which is bottom 4 calibre.

People underestimate just how poor we were last year.

It wasn't a full gut and rebuild but the changes were significant. 2 new spine players, two brand new centres, a new bench, some new assistant coaches and as Robbo said in pre-season they went right back to the basics. This year was always about building the foundation for the next few years.

The only real consistency we had coming out of last year and previous seasons were positions 8 - 13.

The argument of 'the only difference between this year and last year is we won more games this year' is mind boggling. The only thing that seems to keep getting in the way of your argument is the facts...

Yes we finished in the bottom 4 last year, yes we won more games than last year... a lot more. 12 more games to be exact.

[Rooster_6]

We wouldn't of finished 15th had we had Cordner JWH and Pearce at the start, and then later we lost SST.

The other nonsense from Robbo is the notion that because we've won many games by less than 6 points is a good thing attributed to the notion that we win in the end. It's all BS because many of those close wins were with crap teams like the Titans. Unfortunately the inability to win comfortably showed a lack of maintaining focus the whole game. Bellamy wouldn't dish out that nonsense and be happy with it.

Our win % with JWH, Cords & Pearce last year was 33%, we would've finished 13th last year with that as a win percentage.

SST got injured in Round 25, his injury had little bearing on our season.

Like I just said to Thracian, people really underestimate just how poor we were last season. We were a long way off in a lot of areas that we've improved in leaps and bounds this year.

[eddie]

We over achieved this year.
Dissapointing in the end, that's for sure.
But, I got a couple of good reasons to survive another summer.

We will be better in 2018.

[Rooster_6]

We over achieved this year.
Dissapointing in the end, that's for sure.
But, I got a couple of good reasons to survive another summer.

We will be better in 2018.

I don't know if we necessarily over-achieved so much as it was just a really weak competition this year.

In most other season I would say we would've been a 3rd-6th placed side which is probably a pretty fair reflection on where I think the squad is at in this point in time and where the more optimistic pre-season predictions had us sitting.

[The Thracian]

No we were a 15th placed team last year. We were woeful. That is fact, you can't deny that.

Even when Pearce, JWH & Cordner were all back on deck we were still only a 33% team which is bottom 4 calibre.

People underestimate just how poor we were last year.

It wasn't a full gut and rebuild but the changes were significant. 2 new spine players, two brand new centres, a new bench, some new assistant coaches and as Robbo said in pre-season they went right back to the basics. This year was always about building the foundation for the next few years.

The only real consistency we had coming out of last year and previous seasons were positions 8 - 13.

The argument of 'the only difference between this year and last year is we won more games this year' is mind boggling. The only thing that seems to keep getting in the way of your argument is the facts...

Yes we finished in the bottom 4 last year, yes we won more games than last year... a lot more. 12 more games to be exact.

Fact is last year we had excuses for those close losses, our side was depleted and we copped the rough end of the pineapple by the officials on more than one occasion, we win even half of thise close games last year we make the 8.

This year we were near full strength most weeks, our football was for the most part clunky, incompetent, inconsistant mixed with small glimpes of brilliance.

We as last season i was pleased of the way the team played, we lost but you seen they competed, they were inexperienced but they had a real dig.

Forthe team we fielded for most of last season we did not deserve to be a 15th placed also ran.

WE fast forward 12 months and the sad thing is we learnt nothing, sides that were being lapped by everyone else we struggled against, i was surprised we held onto a top 4 spot t especially after our performances agaisnt the titans and the Tigers, we won but were woeful.

The ladder may have shown we improved 13 places so we over achieved to me in reality, on paper we should have, on paper we were the only team capable of competing with the Storm, but our team learnt absolutlely nothing, that is a failure and disappointment.