Robbo on last chance- review of club performances required - NRL

[Nicola Tesla]

I can't cop Trents atttituse that we know how to win close games. Most those games were games we led comfortably in and got run down. If anything it gave opposition teams confidence that no matter how much we got to the lead, we were weak and could be beaten.
i just want a half who leads the team and can get repeat sets reasonably consistently!

[eddie]

I don't know if we necessarily over-achieved so much as it was just a really weak competition this year.
In most other season I would say we would've been a 3rd-6th placed side which is probably a pretty fair reflection on where I think the squad is at in this point in time and where the more optimistic pre-season predictions had us sitting.

I had us in the top four at the start of the year, so over-achieving could be called a strong statement.
But even my stupid optomism had us scraping a top 4 finish and bowing out.

Canberra, NZ, Penrith and sharks were all expected to finish above us.

Broncos pty ltd, cows and Parraletic all probably over-achieved as well.

[ROC181]

Our win % with JWH, Cords & Pearce last year was 33%, we would've finished 13th last year with that as a win percentage.

SST got injured in Round 25, his injury had little bearing on our season.

Like I just said to Thracian, people really underestimate just how poor we were last season. We were a long way off in a lot of areas that we've improved in leaps and bounds this year.

When they came on and to start with Pearce in round 8 or 9, the rot had set in. When JWH & Cordner came on it was out of control. Understand the power of momentum and confidence that the players that were asked to step up during those times, by now had zero. Single factor Stats wont tell you how Hastings, Watson and Mitchell for example felt while they were without the old heads in the game for guidance. You want to use stats? You should include stats on how the players score confidence was in the first half of the competition and into the end, of course there wouldn't be any stats like that but the stats you quote are 1 dimensional. I'm sure that by round 20 something, they were all planning for mad monday.

[Kingbilly]

Who rights this crap
ITs embarassing

[Rooster_6]

Fact is last year we had excuses for those close losses, our side was depleted and we copped the rough end of the pineapple by the officials on more than one occasion, we win even half of thise close games last year we make the 8.

This year we were near full strength most weeks, our football was for the most part clunky, incompetent, inconsistant mixed with small glimpes of brilliance.

We as last season i was pleased of the way the team played, we lost but you seen they competed, they were inexperienced but they had a real dig.

Forthe team we fielded for most of last season we did not deserve to be a 15th placed also ran.

WE fast forward 12 months and the sad thing is we learnt nothing, sides that were being lapped by everyone else we struggled against, i was surprised we held onto a top 4 spot t especially after our performances agaisnt the titans and the Tigers, we won but were woeful.

The ladder may have shown we improved 13 places so we over achieved to me in reality, on paper we should have, on paper we were the only team capable of competing with the Storm, but our team learnt absolutlely nothing, that is a failure and disappointment.

This season from key forwards we lost 32 games (9 games Taukeiaho, 8 games Cordner, 4 games Napa, 0 games JWH, 4 games Liu, 4 games Friendy, 2 games Guerra, 1 game Tetevano)
Last season from key forwards we lost 30 games (4 games Taukeiaho, 12 games Cordner, 1 game Napa, 10 games JWH, 2 games Liu, 0 games Friendy, 3 games Guerra, 0 games Moa)

This season from key outside backs we lost 18 games (4 games Gordon, 3 games Latrell, 5 games Toops, 4 games Fergo, 2 games Pearce)
Last season from key outside backs we lost 20 games (0 games Latrell, 2 games Fergo, 3 games Toops, 5 games SKD, 10 games Pearce)

It's actually quite freakish that in total both seasons add up equally.

You can't keep ignoring the facts. Even when Pearce, JWH & Cordner were all back on the field our win % was only 33%. Like I said we were every bit a bottom 4 side last year.

Our improvement this season has been obvious, I'm not sure why you're in such denial.

[Rooster_6]

When they came on and to start with Pearce in round 8 or 9, the rot had set in. When JWH & Cordner came on it was out of control. Understand the power of momentum and confidence that the players that were asked to step up during those times, by now had zero. Single factor Stats wont tell you how Hastings, Watson and Mitchell for example felt while they were without the old heads in the game for guidance. You want to use stats? You should include stats on how the players score confidence was in the first half of the competition and into the end, of course there wouldn't be any stats like that but the stats you quote are 1 dimensional. I'm sure that by round 20 something, they were all planning for mad monday.

Oh I get the momentum and confidence part of it I really do, I also believe we developed a lot of bad habits both tactically and mentally during those games early in the season of which we carried a lot over into this season.

But they still have to own those performances and results. Sure the circumstances weren't great but we used it as an excuse, the Cowboys haven't... we were every bit a bottom 4 side last year there's no doubt about it. Time to start owning that & acknowledge the improvements we made this year.

[BUDDY]

We made mistakes last night. We will take plenty of lessons out of the game and be better for it.

We heard that every week this year FFS.
We were as bad last night as we were round 1.
Actually I think our attack the first few rounds was better than the last few weeks.
We didn't progress at all thoughout the year.

[roosterchook]

I agree. It’s ground hog day again and again when it comes to the roosters getting eliminated in Preliminary finals due to errors. I’ve been waiting for years for this to be addressed but no one seems to care as there’s no improvement at all. I’m happy to lose if the other team outplayed us but not because of dropped ball handing them score trying field position.

[The Thracian]

This season from key forwards we lost 32 games (9 games Taukeiaho, 8 games Cordner, 4 games Napa, 0 games JWH, 4 games Liu, 4 games Friendy, 2 games Guerra, 1 game Tetevano)
Last season from key forwards we lost 30 games (4 games Taukeiaho, 12 games Cordner, 1 game Napa, 10 games JWH, 2 games Liu, 0 games Friendy, 3 games Guerra, 0 games Moa)

This season from key outside backs we lost 18 games (4 games Gordon, 3 games Latrell, 5 games Toops, 4 games Fergo, 2 games Pearce)
Last season from key outside backs we lost 20 games (0 games Latrell, 2 games Fergo, 3 games Toops, 5 games SKD, 10 games Pearce)

It's actually quite freakish that in total both seasons add up equally.

You can't keep ignoring the facts. Even when Pearce, JWH & Cordner were all back on the field our win % was only 33%. Like I said we were every bit a bottom 4 side last year.

Our improvement this season has been obvious, I'm not sure why you're in such denial.

We improved on the ladder only, our game did not improve one bit, in fact it went backwards, coming15th gave us an easier draw and thank god for that. We struggled against The Dogs, Merge, Knights, Tigs and Titans, lost to the debacle that is the warriors, our form this year was extremely poor, it was bound to catch up with us against a disciplined team. Tedesco is a start some of our other key position players need a shake up

[The Skeez]

This is a conversation that we need to have.

While Trent has sustained success over a season, his big game motivation seems lacking. Whilst many say that he didn't drop the ball, he is still responsible for getting the team up for the occasion.

We havent had the best results for semis, anzacs during Robinsons tenure. If you go back to the premiership year, the opening semi against manly was 4-0 and then we won a tense gf. The regular season in the two years following were good only to be bundled out meekly in the finals to our disappointment. 2016 was a write off which only highlighted how much Pearce meant to our team and also how little Robbo count deviate from the script with numerous halves pairing.. Nikorima, Hastings, Mattterson, before finally discovering Watson when the season was gone.

This year, we regroup, have a ripper preseason, win the nines and start undefeated for 5 rounds or so. Then the Origin hype starts and our players believe the press and performances falter. This is where a top coach takes control.

If we won the close games we lost last year, we'd be in the roughly same position. Which is why Robbo has a point in we learnt to win the close games.

Look, I like the way Trent talks. He's a footy bloke. He developed a way we were going to play hard tough footy and not cop out in any way. It's just the big games, where you need to change your mindset, siege mentality. Gus and Gibbo got it, Bennett has it. Repetition of plays is safe, making the players step up 3 levels is another. And this is where Robbo needs to improve.

When he looks back at the season, he'll hurt more than us, but he has a chance to change it. We don't no matter how many banners we unfurl or how many posts we stick here. He just needs to motivate the players for the big games. And then for the players to respond and then win... the big game, the GF.. the 2018 premiership

[Mickie Lane]

If you were going to get rid of him who would you replace him with?
Des, Maguire, Neil Henry, Kevin Walters, Laurie Daly the Walker brothers.
No thanks, Robbo will do just fine.

[ROC181]

If you were going to get rid of him who would you replace him with?
Des, Maguire, Neil Henry, Kevin Walters, Laurie Daly the Walker brothers.
No thanks, Robbo will do just fine.

Conveniently Green comes of contract next year. I'm thinking theres some talk around there.

[Rooster_6]

We havent had the best results for semis, anzacs during Robinsons tenure.

Huh?

In the 16 times the Anzac day cup has been competed we've won on 6 occasions. 3 of those wins have been under Robbo. He accounts for half of our Anzac day wins and he's only been here for 5 out of the 16 years it's been competed.

As for coaches with finals winning percentages greater than 50%;

Shane Flannagan 62.5%
Trent Robinson - 60%
Des Hasler 56%
Paul Green 55.5%
Michael Maguire - 55.5%
Craig Bellamy 54.5%
Wayne Bennett - 54%

Some people just haven't realised how good we've got it.

[The Skeez]

Huh?

Some people just haven't realised how good we've got it.

I realise, it's just when you can see the summit only to have to turn back, something is needs to change.

Stats will also show four top 2 finishes with only 1 GF appearance resulting in a premiership.

If if that's good for you, enjoy. But as the Easts slogan goes "we play for premierships"

[Rooster_6]

I realise, it's just when you can see the summit only to have to turn back, something is needs to change.

Stats will also show four top 2 finishes with only 1 GF appearance resulting in a premiership.

If if that's good for you, enjoy. But as the Easts slogan goes "we play for premierships"

That's a crap slogan... what are the other clubs playing for? fun?

Are you just going to ignore the stats on our big game success?

Yes we only have the 1 premiership in 5 years to show for it but in a competition so heavily salary capped even the best clubs and coaches haven't been able to do better. In fact since 2000 Manly are the only club to win 2 premierships in the space of 5 years or less.

Melbourne just won their second in 6 years and that''s with a spine of Slater, Cronk & Smith.

Brisbane haven't won one since 2006 despite having the best resources available to them & a legend coach for many of those years in between.

Like Mickie said if not Robbo then who? There's a handful of coaches achieving what Robbo is with us and none who are doing it any quicker...