Captains Influence

[gragra]

Seems to me the lack of a really strong captain is also part of the issue. We need someone who is a good talker. Listening to Jake in the press conferences j, he just doesn't cut it. Parrots Robbo and when on the field doesn't seem to command authority. Boyd is co captain , I believe and also isn't a great communicator. When the team is on tilt or someone stuffs up, surely the captain is the person to correct the flow.

I would try JWH, maybe his form would improve because its been down ever since the knee reconstruction.

On another note SST was kicking the goals brilliantly before his knee injury, so is flash really essential in the side next year ?

[stringaz]

Shouldn't it be Pearce? He's the halfback calling the plays and Keary said it's Pearce's team.

I'm just concerned that other players don't listen to him because of his nature (nice bloke no killer instinct) and or past transgressions?

I can recall fittler laying down the law behind the posts to the team whilst under the pump.

Now if it's beyond Mitchell to do this, how would Cleary, Taylor or O'Sullivan do any better?

[stephenj]

sst doesn't 3want to reinjure his knee kicking goals!

[stephenj]

junior as overall captain with cords and jake as co vice captains?

[stringaz]

Between latrell and sst we can cover it, but isn't as ideal as having a permanent gk in Gordon

[Roosterfarian]

The Pearce suggestions are laughable!

The quicker they appoint Cordner as sole captain the better.

Friend isn't a captains arsehole I'm afraid.

[stringaz]

The Pearce suggestions are laughable!

The quicker they appoint Cordner as sole captain the better.

Friend isn't a captains arsehole I'm afraid.

How can Cordner be any different from friend as he doesn't do much more than making metres and running good lines?

The halfback is the one that calls the plays and directs the team around the park so to speak.

And going back to my earlier post, I want to know why the suggestion of pearce is laughable?

If it's because he's dumb or something then neither friend nor Cordner or anyone else seems to have anymore nous than Pearce. (Or less)

Keary?

[Cockadoodledoo]

How can Cordner be any different from friend as he doesn't do much more than making metres and running good lines?

The halfback is the one that calls the plays and directs the team around the park so to speak.

And going back to my earlier post, I want to know why the suggestion of pearce is laughable?

If it's because he's dumb or something then neither friend nor Cordner or anyone else seems to have anymore nous than Pearce. (Or less)

Keary?

Maybe you heard of the girl with the yellow dress, perhaps the puppy dog. Notwithstanding his off field efforts, maybe you haven't noticed him going missing pretty much whenever we have needed him most. He isn't alone mind you but he shows no leadership qualities whatsoever, no composure under pressure, a lack of ability to inspire the team when the chips are down.

Sadly there aren't many options in the team. Cordner certainly is inspirational in setting an example for others to follow, however as you rightly point out, he isn't a great talker. Friend is worse, much worse. I was hoping JWH might get the gig but he has really not come back well from his knee injury. I honestly think that the lack of a strong leader on the field is one of our biggest problems.

[Thirteen]

Seems to me the lack of a really strong captain is also part of the issue. We need someone who is a good talker. Listening to Jake in the press conferences j, he just doesn't cut it. Parrots Robbo and when on the field doesn't seem to command authority. Boyd is co captain , I believe and also isn't a great communicator. When the team is on tilt or someone stuffs up, surely the captain is the person to correct the flow.

I would try JWH, maybe his form would improve because its been down ever since the knee reconstruction.

On another note SST was kicking the goals brilliantly before his knee injury, so is flash really essential in the side next year ?

Flash was in our top 3 best players and most consistent performers this year. Plus he can kick goals. Why would you not want him in the side?

[Steakface]

I reckon a great idea for captain - a bit out of left field - would be Keary.

He's a very self assured young bloke, run's the plays with Pearce, on the field for 80 minutes, has won a premiership in the No.6. Captained the Rabbitohs NYC team in 2012 and scored 20 tries that year leading from the front. He's well educated, possibly the smartest guy in the team.

Robbo has called him 'a different cat'. He's a bit of a lone wolf perhaps, but maybe that's what's needed. Someone who isn't 'one of the boys' so much. Someone who will have no qualms about doing the talking and laying down the law.

Even JWH is too nice a bloke nowdays when it comes to the crunch i think.

All that being said, I think Cordner will get better.

[stringaz]

Maybe you heard of the girl with the yellow dress, perhaps the puppy dog. Notwithstanding his off field efforts, maybe you haven't noticed him going missing pretty much whenever we have needed him most. He isn't alone mind you but he shows no leadership qualities whatsoever, no composure under pressure, a lack of ability to inspire the team when the chips are down.

Sadly there aren't many options in the team. Cordner certainly is inspirational in setting an example for others to follow, however as you rightly point out, he isn't a great talker. Friend is worse, much worse. I was hoping JWH might get the gig but he has really not come back well from his knee injury. I honestly think that the lack of a strong leader on the field is one of our biggest problems.

Mate we've all got to move on from these past media beat ups that opposition fans like to make memes of.

It was 2 seasons and more ago.

Hell Greg bird came back to captain the tits after dropping a schooner on his missus noggin.

I'm not necessarily pushing for Pearce to become captain, but an on field leader is someone who touches the ball alot, (spine) able to have vision of the whole field (not a winger or bench) and is able to give instructions and have them followed with faith/respect.

If there are current players who still have dry humped dog on their mind, they need to front up to Robbo/Pearce about it, get on with it as professionals or leave the club.

Pearce may be far from the best captain material across the NRL, but as for the above reasons I've given he is closer to it than anyone else at the club.

I don't see friend or Cordner calling any plays or delivering a rocket when needed.

Keary is next closest but new to the Roosters.

[Cockadoodledoo]

Mate we've all got to move on from these past media beat ups that opposition fans like to make memes of.

It was 2 seasons and more ago.

Hell Greg bird came back to captain the tits after dropping a schooner on his missus noggin.

Let's not use the Titans as a benchmark for our club. I agree the yellow dress incident was minor, the dry hump on the dog was more of an issue due to ignoring a directive from team management to take a taxi home, to then drag 2 team newcomers with him. All whilst Captain. He wasn't some 18 year old rookie who might not know better.

I'm not necessarily pushing for Pearce to become captain, but an on field leader is someone who touches the ball alot, (spine) able to have vision of the whole field (not a winger or bench) and is able to give instructions and have them followed with faith/respect.

Vision isn't a word I would usually use in the same sentence as Pearce, unless it was preceded by the words 'lack of'. He already plays a leadership role on the field, I am sure he is respected by the players and no one would question his passion and effort, the ability to execute and impose himself on big games is his major problem. No need to give him back the role he treated with a lack of respect the first time around. It is time to move forward from him.

If there are current players who still have dry humped dog on their mind, they need to front up to Robbo/Pearce about it, get on with it as professionals or leave the club.

Pearce may be far from the best captain material across the NRL, but as for the above reasons I've given he is closer to it than anyone else at the club.

I don't see friend or Cordner calling any plays or delivering a rocket when needed.

Keary is next closest but new to the Roosters.

I don't see Keary as much of a talker either. I think we need to give Cordner a little more time in the role before replacing him yet.

[stringaz]

Let's not use the Titans as a benchmark for our club. I agree the yellow dress incident was minor, the dry hump on the dog was more of an issue due to ignoring a directive from team management to take a taxi home, to then drag 2 team newcomers with him. All whilst Captain. He wasn't some 18 year old rookie who might not know better.



Vision isn't a word I would usually use in the same sentence as Pearce, unless it was preceded by the words 'lack of'. He already plays a leadership role on the field, I am sure he is respected by the players and no one would question his passion and effort, the ability to execute and impose himself on big games is his major problem. No need to give him back the role he treated with a lack of respect the first time around. It is time to move forward from him.



I don't see Keary as much of a talker either. I think we need to give Cordner a little more time in the role before replacing him yet.

Lack of vision. Can someone explain to me (cause I played basketball not footy at school) what Cooper cronk does apart from perhaps better kick accuracy than Pearce in better vision?

Is it passing to the side of the field that has more players than the opposition?

Is it identifying an injured player in the opposition to send traffic at?

Kicking into space -yes

Repeat sets - yes

This "directing them around the park" statement is lost on me as there's only one way to bluddy go - up the other end!

Is it deciding to pass out the back or go short/dummy break the line?

I hate following a sport so closely I never cut my teeth on.

[Rooster_6]

I find the claim that Cordner isn't much of a talker an odd one, having spoken to a couple of players who have played with him he apparently is quite passionate and vocal in his speeches.

If it's an assumption based off his media persona I think you may be misguided.

I always find it a strange discussion - supporters discussing the value of certain players as captains just like I find the Dally M captain award every year an odd one.

I mean lets be real here we see 80 minutes of these guys every week and maybe an interview here or there. When in reality they're spending 40-50hrs a week with the playing squad and coaches. As suppoters not privy of the day to day dealings we're really not in much of a position to comment.

It's not like it's cricket eithet where they have to make any tactical decisions.

[stringaz]

I find the claim that Cordner isn't much of a talker an odd one, having spoken to a couple of players who have played with him he apparently is quite passionate and vocal in his speeches.

If it's an assumption based off his media persona I think you may be misguided.

I always find it a strange discussion - supporters discussing the value of certain players as captains just like I find the Dally M captain award every year an odd one.

I mean lets be real here we see 80 minutes of these guys every week and maybe an interview here or there. When in reality they're spending 40-50hrs a week with the playing squad and coaches. As suppoters not privy of the day to day dealings we're really not in much of a position to comment.

It's not like it's cricket eithet where they have to make any tactical decisions.

Yea it sux, I can't understand why Pearce cops the loss more than anyone else after a loss, if I had to single out anybody it would be latrell.

But even latrell didn't single handedly lose us that game.

Does Cordner give these speeches behind the posts? Is there tactical advice or a plan b in his words?

I wanna be a fly on the wall at training