Keary.......No No No, He's Off Limits

[The Thracian]

And you are a very rude man. A poster who cannot make comments about important football issues without resorting to unecessary personal attacks.
Please refer to my reply to you in the other thread.

You may say rude, I say an Honest man, I am happy to discuss anything civilly yet posted like yourself R6 resort to twisting fact, rehashing the same rhetoric, accusing me of being someone else, but that's ok, I am not easily offended.

all I ask is you practice what you preach, as I said happy to be polite, if the same is returned, I disagree with a hell of a lot here and in other forums

[The Lip]

I think the loyalty card with Pearce is hard to play. It's not such a big deal to stay at the club that keeps on paying you more than any other club offers. He has been our highest-paid player for almost all of his NRL career. I think the spondula kept him there more than any sense of loyalty. It's time for him to move on.

you might be right on there JT i'm not in the know to know if he has received higher offers from other clubs or not. I would be surprised though if he hasn't in 10 years ever received a higher offer from a desperate rival club. Is it time to move on - probably agree with you there 800k bench player too much definitely so it would be best for the club i think if he did if that's what he is going to be. If he is going to play 9 i would say its not time, i would like to see that for a season to see if it works. I think it could and he might end up loving it. I love Jake's heart in defense but i often have thought we lack that extra dimension the best teams have in having a ball playing/ kicking 9 to take pressure mentally and from defenders on our 6 and 7. If we have a 9 that does that it just creates a little more room for the 6/7 as the defence also has to cover the possibility of something coming from the 9. I don't think Jake has enough of this. So would like to see if Pearce could add this to our side from 9 just for a season. If it doesn't work then he should go, so maybe we need to spend that 800K for a bench player this year only to give that a go?

[The Thracian]

I think you are grabbing MR's words and reading into them what you want just to have another dig a Pearce. Good for you Thracian have a dig at Pearce whenever you want it obviously makes you feel better, but i think your criticism of MR based on what she has said here is completely unwarranted. She has said nothing that doesn't make sense imo. She said it should be Cronk/Keary. She said Pearce can choose to stay or go as he has a signed contract. She said Pearce/Cronk would be a bad combo. Then she asked a reasonable question, if Keary walks does he get accused of the same thing as Pearce if he does of being a sook/disloyal blah blah blah. Fair enough.She is not accusing him of this i don't think she would think he was if he did, shes just asking would the same people that are accusing Pearce of this say the same if Keary did it.? I don't get the disloyal talk at all, he is a one club player for 10 years and to then turn around and call that disloyal seems to be insanity in this day and age where people move every 3 years on average. I feel you just want to create a scenario that no matter what Pearce does hes a prick. If he stays and plays on the bench for 800K a year he's a prick, if he leaves after 10 years he's disloyal and a prick.

I think you should get over yourself Thracian

More dribble, how can anyone compare the Pearce / Keary scenarios? One has a large lengthy contract in place, one has not. Just based on that fact you cannot compare the 2.

i won't go into the other "slight differences " again it will make the comparisons even lamer.

I do not hide the fact I want him to leave, have for a long time

i also understand he is contracted so well within his rights to take the pay and stay.

Whilst I think he is a liability in the halves, he could be a blessing at hooker or lock

so just to clarify if he does up stumps and leave yes after everything the club has done for him he is a sook and a prick and a disloyal turd, if he stays and buys into what the club has planned, more credit too him.

[The Lip]

Thracian you seem incapable of seeing any other point of view than the one you feel strongly about. Great have conviction but don't be so arrogant to think you are the only one with input that might be worthwhile. You should try Yoga and meditation or Yoga and medication, or meditation and medication or medication and medication - im not sure what the right combo for you is but i'm sure you will work it out.

[mightyrooster]

I think you are grabbing MR's words and reading into them what you want just to have another dig a Pearce. Good for you Thracian have a dig at Pearce whenever you want it obviously makes you feel better, but i think your criticism of MR based on what she has said here is completely unwarranted. She has said nothing that doesn't make sense imo. She said it should be Cronk/Keary. She said Pearce can choose to stay or go as he has a signed contract. She said Pearce/Cronk would be a bad combo. Then she asked a reasonable question, if Keary walks does he get accused of the same thing as Pearce if he does of being a sook/disloyal blah blah blah. Fair enough.She is not accusing him of this i don't think she would think he was if he did, shes just asking would the same people that are accusing Pearce of this say the same if Keary did it.? I don't get the disloyal talk at all, he is a one club player for 10 years and to then turn around and call that disloyal seems to be insanity in this day and age where people move every 3 years on average. I feel you just want to create a scenario that no matter what Pearce does hes a prick. If he stays and plays on the bench for 800K a year he's a prick, if he leaves after 10 years he's disloyal and a prick.

I think you should get over yourself Thracian

Thanks Lip, you've summarised what I've been saying perfectly.
I'm a big Keary fan and would hate for him to leave. We need him to play 6 and not sit on the bench. If he did leave it would be because his contract expires before both Cronk and Pearce's. That is the club's doing not Pearce's. The club re-signed Pearce at the start of this year well after the dramas and embarrassing behaviour of 2016. They can't turn around and use Pearce's off field antics as an excuse now to move him on when they went ahead and re-signed him anyway knowing full well all that had happened the previous year. The only reason they can give now is they want to go in a new direction. Which again is fine, but of course they aren't even doing that and are even using Cronk to state publicly he's still part of the club's plans etc etc.

I have no agenda other than seeing the Roosters do well and have the best possible team. Now that we've signed Cronk, the best possible team is a Cronk / Keary halves combo. I would not have signed Cronk, not because I think Pearce is better. I don't think Pearce is better. I think Cronk is the better player because while they both have similar attributes as players, Cronk has far more composure and feel for the game in presssure situations. What I am concerned about is the lack of depth in other areas especially the forwards and backs. Cronk won't be worth the expense if the forwards get smashed and the backs can't tackle or hold onto the ball.

[novice chook]

Thanks Pee Gee. This is the article I was referring to. It's obvious 3 into 2 won't go. The club may be prepared to pay either Keary or Pearce heaps of money to sit on the bench but that doesn't mean either of them will want to NOR should they have to. I wonder if Keary will be accused of spitting the dummy if he signs with the Warriors? I've said many times Pearce and Cronk is a bad halves combo. For me it's either Cronk and Keary or Pearce and Keary. But Pearce has every right to stay and collect his money if he wants as he signed a contract in good faith. Same with Keary. I hope we don't lose Keary as he is the perfecty partner for Cronk (or Pearce). But IMO this situation has been created by the club not Pearce.

Totally agree MR. No one is disputing that a Cronk/Keary combination seems a better fit than a Cronk/Pearce one, but there is no guarantee that's what the club actually puts in place if Pearce stays. And that is a decision for the coaching staff alone, as they are the ones who will be putting their jobs on the line by choosing the team line up. Pearce or Keary shouldn't have any blame put on them for the position the club is now in - that blame lies with the Roosters coaching staff and management.

As for Pearce or Keary going to Manly - since when did we do any favours for that lot? Answer, never. Interesting also that Blake Green's manager happens to be one Isaac Moses - who is not well thought of at the Chooks and I doubt they will be wanting to line his pockets further by being part in a deal that provides a lucrative contract to his client. If anything I reckon the Chooks would take satisfaction out of ensuring that Moses' wheeling and dealing comes to nothing and Green is forced to play out 2018 for Manly.

[The Thracian]

Thracian you seem incapable of seeing any other point of view than the one you feel strongly about. Great have conviction but don't be so arrogant to think you are the only one with input that might be worthwhile. You should try Yoga and meditation or Yoga and medication, or meditation and medication or medication and medication - im not sure what the right combo for you is but i'm sure you will work it out.

Everyone has an opinion, people only call them agendas when the other persons opinion varies to theirs, to me this is a forum everyone's opinion is valued, it does not mean I have to agree with it and will say so as I am entitled, as for playing the agenda card, look who has Pearce as their profile pic, I know who really needs the medication

[mightyrooster]

You may say rude, I say an Honest man, I am happy to discuss anything civilly yet posted like yourself R6 resort to twisting fact, rehashing the same rhetoric, accusing me of being someone else, but that's ok, I am not easily offended.

all I ask is you practice what you preach, as I said happy to be polite, if the same is returned, I disagree with a hell of a lot here and in other forums

"Dead set you say some stupid things"

"an ignoramous like yourself"

"get over yourself"

....are all examples of your happiness to discuss things civilly.

My opinions are "twisting fact" and "rheteric".

I think it's clear we have nothing more to discuss. I have made my opinions pretty clear on the Pearce issue I thought in several threads - and strangely enough there are quite a few threads on here to discuss this issue in. I think my views are very balanced as a matter of fact, which is my nature in general. I take a balanced view of most things in life actually and like to see things from all sides before making a final decision.

[mightyrooster]

Totally agree MR. No one is disputing that a Cronk/Keary combination seems a better fit than a Cronk/Pearce one, but there is no guarantee that's what the club actually puts in place if Pearce stays. And that is a decision for the coaching staff alone, as they are the ones who will be putting their jobs on the line by choosing the team line up. Pearce or Keary shouldn't have any blame put on them for the position the club is now in - that blame lies with the Roosters coaching staff and management.

As for Pearce or Keary going to Manly - since when did we do any favours for that lot? Answer, never. Interesting also that Blake Green's manager happens to be one Isaac Moses - who is not well thought of at the Chooks and I doubt they will be wanting to line his pockets further by being part in a deal that provides a lucrative contract to his client. If anything I reckon the Chooks would take satisfaction out of ensuring that Moses' wheeling and dealing comes to nothing and Green is forced to play out 2018 for Manly.

Yes, there is no way I want to see the club helping out Manly. I will never forget what Fulton did to Easts in the 80's.

[Tommy Smith]

Be coached by Trent Robinson or Stephen Kearney... hmmm tough choice.

They'd have to offer Keary 1m per year.

I don't believe anyone in our club is dumb enough to choose Pearce over Keary so I'm confident he'll stay.

[PeeGee]

Be coached by Trent Robinson or Stephen Kearney... hmmm tough choice.

They'd have to offer Keary 1m per year.

I don't believe anyone in our club is dumb enough to choose Pearce over Keary so I'm confident he'll stay.

some goss for you on this one also.................Hasler to Warriors mid 2019 (prob performance based)

[Johnny Tobin]

you might be right on there JT i'm not in the know to know if he has received higher offers from other clubs or not. I would be surprised though if he hasn't in 10 years ever received a higher offer from a desperate rival club. Is it time to move on - probably agree with you there 800k bench player too much definitely so it would be best for the club i think if he did if that's what he is going to be. If he is going to play 9 i would say its not time, i would like to see that for a season to see if it works. I think it could and he might end up loving it. I love Jake's heart in defense but i often have thought we lack that extra dimension the best teams have in having a ball playing/ kicking 9 to take pressure mentally and from defenders on our 6 and 7. If we have a 9 that does that it just creates a little more room for the 6/7 as the defence also has to cover the possibility of something coming from the 9. I don't think Jake has enough of this. So would like to see if Pearce could add this to our side from 9 just for a season. If it doesn't work then he should go, so maybe we need to spend that 800K for a bench player this year only to give that a go?

I actually wouldn't mind Pearce at 9 but I think he would be overpaid still.

I think if we pay $800K for a bench player then we can forget a premiership IMHO. We would have to have no injuries or lack of depth would kill us.

Anyway, I will get excited when and if we win a prelim. We haven't been able to do that for a while.

[PeeGee]

Yes, there is no way I want to see the club helping out Manly. I will never forget what Fulton did to Easts in the 80's.

Pricks..........
Ian Barklay
Noel Cleal
Kerry Boustead

fulton the ass took our core; prob even more; poetry luv it...........



Can anyone add any more players?

[Thirteen]

Thracian you seem incapable of seeing any other point of view than the one you feel strongly about. Great have conviction but don't be so arrogant to think you are the only one with input that might be worthwhile. You should try Yoga and meditation or Yoga and medication, or meditation and medication or medication and medication - im not sure what the right combo for you is but i'm sure you will work it out.

Or he needs a woman who looks like the girl in your profile pic.

[bondi.boy]

We need all three to win a premiership...Keary, Cronk and Pearce.

We need Pearce on the bench, fresh and full of running to spell Friend. [Pearce doesn't run enough in games].

Saw video of LOD the other day in "best fights in rugby league"...let's just say 'not taking a backward step'.
Tetevano must become the new LOD, Liu must rise to greater heights, and our young forwards step up.
Cows got McLean...we could've done with him.