penalties

[ism22]

I've been told from a junior ref that it is well known most of the senior refs hate the roosters, he couldn't tell me why. i also suspect that Melbourne and Brisbane get help to keep regional crowds interested.

Be good to be a fly on the wall.

IMO the crux is that the NRL doesn't want a rich Sydney club (equivalent of say Chelsea or Madrid or whatever) winning the comp every year. It pisses off the weston's and isolates people from Brisbane/Melbourne.

Clearly no direct cheating goes on. However, there must be an element of nuance behind how games are reffed. Like it or not:
- The Raiders got most of their points from penalties awarded right in front (including the final nail in the coffin)
- Brisbane got most of their points from penalties and we had to spend 60 minutes (at key moments) playing with 12 men on the field (while 2 separate Origin stars sat out). Napa was then handed an extremely high grading for an accidental head clash (consistent with the NRL boss' personal opinion from last time). Word was... don't challenge or you could miss the GF (so damned if you do and damned if you don't).

In both games, teams were about to shut us out of the contest by:
- Taking forever to do everything.
- Doing grabbers into touch on the last tackle.
- Not going back 10, so that we are cramped/rushes in attack.

The deeper issue is that this is acceptable and we need a plan of attack to prevent it, or we will be bundled out of the finals quick smart. Do we have a plan? I hope we do becaue refs aside, we are looking shiiiiiiiit...

[roosterchook]

Penalties are a farce. They tend to determine the match results too often. What fans want to see I believe is the best team win not the team which gets the most free penalties. We scored the most tries but lost to penalty goals the other week.

Lets see real Rugby League - 2 teams pitted against each other fighting it out till the very end without hardly any ref intervention. I think that’s when R.L. will become a truly great game but now 90% of the results and the top 8 and top 4 are determined by referees.

May the best man or team win doesnt seem to apply to Rugby League. Hope that changes and we see real competition not endless piggybacks for some teams and ruthless application of the minutest infringement for others

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Penalties are a farce. They tend to determine the match results too often. What fans want to see I believe is the best team win not the team which gets the most free penalties. We scored the most tries but lost to penalty goals the other week.

Lets see real Rugby League - 2 teams pitted against each other fighting it out till the very end without hardly any ref intervention. I think that’s when R.L. will become a truly great game but now 90% of the results and the top 8 and top 4 are determined by referees.

May the best man or team win doesnt seem to apply to Rugby League. Hope that changes and we see real competition not endless piggybacks for some teams and ruthless application of the minutest infringement in some.

Need Bill Harrigan back for that...amazing that no referee since ive been watching the game (somewhere between four and five decades) has come close to him in quality.

[Thirteen]

I've been told from a junior ref that it is well known most of the senior refs hate the roosters, he couldn't tell me why. i also suspect that Melbourne and Brisbane get help to keep regional crowds interested.

Don’t need to hear it from a junior ref to know it’s true.

[easts4eva]

Imagine what Easts could do with a 12/5 penalty count each week? Funny thing is some clubs receive, get and expect this treatment week in week out.

[Vasco]

Lol. Again, keep acting like this figure is not lopsided at all.

How legit are these stats Tommy?

[Tommy Smith]

How legit are these stats Tommy?

Source:

I just compiled them over a decade and tried to present them in a compelling way.

[Vasco]

Source:

I just compiled them over a decade and tried to present them in a compelling way.

Yeah I use that site for my stats.

[The Axe]

Source:

I just compiled them over a decade and tried to present them in a compelling way.

These stats are compelling. I think I saw rooster radio has picked them up as has Facebook. Doing a great job mate.

Ive been thinking and what could make these stats more compelling (I’ve worked around information and visualising information) is the same chart for penalties awarded.
as has been pointed out, its the penalties we don’t receive that will prove either way ref bias.

tommy do you think you’d have the time to do this?
As is common saying, the proof is in the data or the data doesn’t lie

[Half time]

amazing effort compiling those stats tommy.

without even needing stats to prove it, anyone that has actually watched most of our games in the past decade and doesnt think there has been a severe bias against us by refs over that period of time is either clueless or doesnt bother watching most of our matches (ie supports another team). Enter maxy

[Maxy Walker]

Yeah you guys are right. You’ve convinced me. It’s all rigged, just like pro wrestling. In fact I suspect the NRL even employ script writers to determine the outcome of games, just like the wrestling. Don’t think I’ll bother watching anymore, rather go and see a movie.

[Tommy Smith]

These stats are compelling. I think I saw rooster radio has picked them up as has Facebook. Doing a great job mate.

Ive been thinking and what could make these stats more compelling (I’ve worked around information and visualising information) is the same chart for penalties awarded.
as has been pointed out, its the penalties we don’t receive that will prove either way ref bias.

tommy do you think you’d have the time to do this?
As is common saying, the proof is in the data or the data doesn’t lie

Yeah I'll see what I can do.

And yes that's the beauty of data; it's entirely objective. But amazingly there will always be people who still view them aa biased. As though it's tin foil hat stuff.

And I'm glad it's getting some publicity. Would love for someone like Buzz or the guys on Fox to point it out to put the spotlight on the refs in our matches; which happened in 2015.

[Thirteen]

Great work Tommy. Thank you.

[stsae]

Yeah you guys are right. You’ve convinced me. It’s all rigged, just like pro wrestling. In fact I suspect the NRL even employ script writers to determine the outcome of games, just like the wrestling. Don’t think I’ll bother watching anymore, rather go and see a movie.

Mate I agree with you, there is no conspiracy.

But stats do tell a story.

And statistical anomalies like the one presented on these pages are out there.

They suggest something is amiss. And they stretch over a very long period, different coaches players and officials, even reffs.

I don't believe in conspiracies. But perceptions and subconscious bias does exist.

I watch games and never count penalties etc. But often I see other sides, especially poor performing ones, reffed differently to Us.

Sure that's a problem since day dot. But the stats man, they are real.

Good debate that's for sure.

[Tommy Smith]

Mate I agree with you, there is no conspiracy.

But stats do tell a story.

And statistical anomalies like the one presented on these pages are out there.

They suggest something is amiss. And they stretch over a very long period, different coaches players and officials, even reffs.

I don't believe in conspiracies. But perceptions and subconscious bias does exist.

I watch games and never count penalties etc. But often I see other sides, especially poor performing ones, reffed differently to Us.

Sure that's a problem since day dot. But the stats man, they are real.

Good debate that's for sure.

You nailed it the last time when you talked about the tall poppy syndrome. We're known as the latte sippers from the affluent Eastern Suburbs. Subconsciously I'm sure this plays a role in influencing the referees; who hate us I'm sure.

I'm not a conpsiracy theorist either but the stats do not lie. Something has clearly been amiss for a long time now.