Andrew Johns is a flop

[ROC181]

Last year Walker was hooked because he was shit from the start. Did nothing. Then with 10 or so to go he’s put on again, probably due to injury and did 1 or two decent things but not good enough to win the game or to be kept for the next games. Last night he was fresh while QLD were tiring so he looked ok but i didn’t expect he would pull the game out of the fire. It was too much for his ability but Keary has done that many times. It didn’t work for Keary last night but it will next week.

As usual johns is on his crusade to get one thing right for the year.

And by the way, even the great QLD that won all those series not so long ago didn't win 3 in a row all the time. They mostly won them 2-1.
If Freddy listens to druggos like Johns for this, then NSW will go back to being the team that changes every time after a loss unlike QLD who stood fast and were loyal to their players which became a champion team.

[Yak]

I’m calling a big NSW win second game. Between 20 and 30 point margin.

NSW were atrocious last night in many facets. Their on-line defence was the only part of their game I’d rate over a 7. First half they made so many basic errors that would’ve probably been capitalised on if QLD had Smith at hooker and a couple of decent outside backs.

The game essentially came down to Tupou throwing a shocking pass in his red zone that was never on. That was the difference in the end. I thought Keary was one of our more threatening options once he got past whatever was happening to him in the first 20 mins. His defence wasn’t incredible but he is up against it defending outside a very vulnerable Cordner. The QLD tries came down to two terrible missed tackles from not being aggressive enough in defence and one shocking offload. Credit to QLD for barely making an error for 30 mins after halftime. That meant we needed to out-kick Munster and DCE and we certainly did not do that.

If NSW completes better in Game 2 and is more aggressive in edge defence when QLD are coming out of trouble up to around the 50 then we’re way too potent for them to handle and opportunities will turn into tries. Wholesale changes would be a mistake in my opinion.

[OMR]

Cleary is the biggest myth in the game .
if he is NSW future leader we are in trouble

I posted weeks ago that he’ll be the next Mitchell Pearce of origin for NSW. Where was his kicking game last night?

[NorfolkStreetKid]

I am tipping Queensland to win the series in Sydney. Their forwards are much stronger than NSW, and their halves are far superior. They looked fitter, and more resilient, better organized, stronger all round.

Frizell is way past his best, Jake T is nothing special, the Newcastle prop is not Origin class, Gutho is not a centre, Boyd is all heart but busted, Keary looks tired. Cleary can't create behind a beaten pack. Walker is not the solution. NSW need multiple changes, and they can't do that in a week.

NSW will have an advantage of playing in Sydney, but even that may work against them as it will motivate Queensland.

I don't think NSW can find enough improvement to beat Queensland, because they will improve as well.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

I am tipping Queensland to win the series in Sydney. Their forwards are much stronger than NSW, and their halves are far superior. They looked fitter, and more resilient, better organized, stronger all round.

Frizell is way past his best, Jake T is nothing special, the Newcastle prop is not Origin class, Gutho is not a centre, Boyd is all heart but busted, Keary looks tired. Cleary can't create behind a beaten pack. Walker is not the solution. NSW need multiple changes, and they can't do that in a week.

NSW will have an advantage of playing in Sydney, but even that may work against them as it will motivate Queensland.

I don't think NSW can find enough improvement to beat Queensland, because they will improve as well.

I wouldn't throw the bub out with the bathwater here.

Game 2 usually sees a reverse of fortune and motivation.

Two changes only....the centres.

And Freddy... use your time with these guys to showcase their skills and strength. You got out coached by the old bugger, but redemption can come quick.

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

Cleary kicks those sideline goals and its golden point. Closer on the scorecard than people think.

Qld won because
1. they scored off the back of NSW errors
2. Kept the momentum
3. Didn't have centres defending outta position and
4. DCE and Munster had a fair superior kicking game, which forced NSW to carry the ball from deep out of their own half for most of the game.

When NSW were in attacking positions (first 15mins and last 8) they took their chances. But outside thaf Qld didn't give them any other opps - by not making errors or giving away penalties.

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

The Toops error was massive at the wrong time in the game, but overall Toops was good otherwise IMO. They needed to bomb to him more. He should be retained. JW had a poor game by his standards but again I'd still pick him for game 2. He can be electric at both centre and a back half if injury arises mid game. Cam Murray getting injuried was big. Keary and Cleary were both poor but again I think that they are the best options NSW have.

IMO Cody Wanker on the bench was a waste of a position. Either play him at #6 or not at all. He isnt a Craig Wing type player who can be both a dummy half/lock interchange and be an explosive ball runner against tired forwards. Gutto like Parra is just $hithouse. Shouldn't have been choosen at centre - he isn't Tommy Turbo. Hopefully Zac Lomax gets the nod for game 2. The forwards need aggression in both attack and defense. Tyson Frizzel needs to go. Why was NAS not there?

[NorfolkStreetKid]

[QUOTE=SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva;n857828]

The Toops error was massive at the wrong time in the game, but overall Toops was good otherwise IMO. They needed to bomb to him more. He should be retained. JW had a poor game by his standards but again I'd still pick him for game 2. He can be electric at both centre and a back half if injury arises mid game. Cam Murray getting injuried was big. Keary and Cleary were both poor but again I think that they are the best options NSW have.

IMO Cody Wanker on the bench was a waste of a position. Either play him at #6 or not at all. He isnt a Craig Wing type player who can be both a dummy half/lock interchange and be an explosive ball runner against tired forwards. Gutto like Parra is just $hithouse. Shouldn't have been choosen at centre - he isn't Tommy Turbo. Hopefully Zac Lomax gets the nod for game 2. The forwards need aggression in both attack and defense. Tyson Frizzel needs to go. Why was NAS not there?[/QUOTE]

NAS is a NEW ZEALAND test player.

[milanja]

Cleary kicks those sideline goals and its golden point. Closer on the scorecard than people think.

Qld won because
1. they scored off the back of NSW errors
2. Kept the momentum
3. Didn't have centres defending outta position and
4. DCE and Munster had a fair superior kicking game, which forced NSW to carry the ball from deep out of their own half for most of the game.

When NSW were in attacking positions (first 15mins and last 8) they took their chances. But outside thaf Qld didn't give them any other opps - by not making errors or giving away penalties.

If DCE doesn’t miss from in front, cleary kicking both doesn’t even come into it.

[Kentucky_Fried_Rooster]

Cleary kicks those sideline goals and its golden point. Closer on the scorecard than people think.

And if DCE kicked that goal almost in front in the first half they would of been 2 points more ahead so would of made no difference, no use saying if or what.

Both our halves were outplayed by Queensland halves.
I still don't rate Freddy as a coach, he was hopeless as a club coach and almost anyone could of coached NSW to a win after the Queensland dynasty ended. I can see Queensland winning the series 2-1.

[Tommy Smith]

Hmmm, I rate Keary as hands down the best half or 5/8 in the game. His body of work since 2017 has been immense. Super skillful ball player and ball runner, and a big game player.

Wighton might be bigger and stronger but as a skillset he can't hold a candle to Kez.

[trewhella]

I felt most big name players were below best.
Keary wasn’t that bad.
I actually feel that teddy has been making errors far more often over the few games than I’ve seen compared to his whole career. Fullbacks need to be safe.
Boyd doesn’t look well.
Nathan Cleary is a gun but his kicking game was poor last night.
Toops needs to can the offload pass when the game is tight.

whilst I agree that Keary is a way more skilful player, I do think Wighton is a better origin choice at five eighth

I think blame needs to go with the coach.
Freddy was rope a doped thinking the awfully slow and boring footy that was played in the first half would be enough to get them home.

It was the most boring origin game I’ve ever seen.
a shadow of past gladiatorial events.

Diet Coke origin.
rip rugby league if that’s your showcase

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

And if DCE kicked that goal almost in front in the first half they would of been 2 points more ahead so would of made no difference, no use saying if or what.

Both our halves were outplayed by Queensland halves.
I still don't rate Freddy as a coach, he was hopeless as a club coach and almost anyone could of coached NSW to a win after the Queensland dynasty ended. I can see Queensland winning the series 2-1.

Yeah it's an IF. But if Cleary kicks both the goals and DCE also kicks the penalty its still 2 points. And that would have given NSW the chance to take a shot at goal to even things up when Qld gave away that penalty in the 79min.

[Lydon]

Like a true flop Johns has backflipped this morning and called for Cleary to be dropped with Keary and Walker in the halves..

The guy talks so much rubbish and has become so predictable in his quest to try and create headlines..

I honestly can’t take him seriously

[Headless Chook]

Like a true flop Johns has backflipped this morning and called for Cleary to be dropped with Keary and Walker in the halves..

The guy talks so much rubbish and has become so predictable in his quest to try and create headlines..

I honestly can’t take him seriously

That will actually work. They have played together before at Souths so they understand a bit about how the other plays unlike Keary and Cleary. It appeared to me that Cleary was supposed to be the dominant half on Wednesday night and control the general play and Kez was supposed to play the second fiddle, run the ball role. Unfortunately when we were under the pump Cleary did his best Mitchell Pearce impersonation and Keary was left trying to pick up the pieces. Freddy needs to bite the bullet, punt Cleary and tell Keary he's the man, and let him run the team. You only have to go back and watch the 2018 GF to see how he thrives with that extra responsibility