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  • For & Against: Are the Roosters still title contenders?

    To say things haven't gone to plan for the Roosters in 2021 would be something of an understatement.

    From Jake Friend's retirement to Boyd Cordner's ongoing concussion issues and the loss of star playmaker Luke Keary for the season, the 2018-19 premiers have had their resolve and their depth stretched to the limit.

    Trent Robinson's men head into the traditional Anzac Day clash with the Dragons in fifth spot and looking to turn around a disappointing 20-4 loss to Melbourne which produced more injury dramas and more question marks about their premiership credentials.

    For – Martin Lenehan (NRL.com senior journalist)

    Great teams will always find a way to clear the obstacles that are put in front of them, no matter how daunting they may be.
    The Roosters have proven themselves to be a great team during the past decade and they will draw on all their renowned courage and culture to mount a serious challenge come finals time.
    In the absence of Jake Friend and quite possibly Boyd Cordner, the leadership void will be filled by James Tedesco, Brett Morris and Jared Waerea-Hargreaves.
    In the absence of Luke Keary, the playmaking void will be filled by teen sensation Sam Walker, who has shown poise and composure beyond his years in his three NRL games to date.
    It's a big ask for a kid but it's worth remembering that Keary was only 22 years of age and playing in his 22nd NRL game when he helped South Sydney to their drought-breaking premiership in 2014.
    Walker will be 19 and have about the same number of games under his belt as Keary did in 2014 when he steps into the pressure cooker of finals footy come September.
    With an experienced pack of forwards led by JWH, Siosiua Taukeiaho, Lindsay Collins and Angus Crichton to watch over him, Walker will grow into the role of chief playmaker and be ready to flourish when the stakes are at their highest.

    And while we're on the topic of young guns, there's a kid by the name of Joseph Suaalii who is on the verge of an NRL debut and looking a potential star in the making.

    It's a very different looking Roosters team to the one that went back-to-back in 2018-19 and finished fourth in 2020 before going down in two tight finals contests to Penrith (29-28) and Canberra (22-18) but the nucleus of a great side remains and they've still got one of the NRL's best coaches at the helm.

    This is a club that won't be making any excuses and certainly won't let their standards slip, no matter which 17 players pull on the famous red, white and blue jersey every week.


    Against – Paul Zalunardo (NRL.com senior journalist)


    Take the NSW and Australian captain, a three-time premiership-winning hooker and a triple-title-winning half out of an NRL team and what are you left with?
    For probably 13 of the 16 NRL teams you’d be left with a side that is mired in the bottom four or five and trying a fathom a way to being a chance of finals football heading into the last month of the season.
    For the Roosters (along with the Storm and probably the Panthers) you have a team that should still make the finals but probably won’t be a serious contender come September.
    The absentees from the Roosters side assembled for 2021 are both numerous and important.
    Jake Friend showed in the Origin series last year that he’s more than just a very good NRL player. He was a rep standard player prior to his decision to retire.
    The ACL injury that ended Luke Keary’s season in the weeks before Friend’s decision was the first hammer blow.
    When we have Boyd Cordner – who hasn’t played yet in 2021 as he continues to rest following a series of head knocks in recent years. The Roosters know how much they miss him on the field, but their honourable approach to his health has left them without the man who held an edge together for so long.

    There is still plenty of class on the field – James Tedesco, Joey Manu, Victor Radley and the Morris brother spring to mind. Teen star Sam Walker looks like he could be anything.
    Those players, and a forward pack still boasting the likes of Siosiua Taukeiaho and Jared Waerea-Hargreaves are capable of finishing ahead of half of the teams in the Telstra Premiership.
    But as for contending for what would be a third premiership in four years, that may be a bridge too far.


    For me once Keary went down so did the season. Are they still worth watching? Sh!t yeah
    This weekends game is going to be a cracker on Anzac Day.


  • #2
    Pretty good article. I'm leaning towards the second guy's opinion, I'm sad to say. But at least we've had the crap beaten out of us injury wise with 20 rounds left to play, so you never know. Question is who are the teams to beat? Clearly pamfers, Souffs and Melba. I reckon we can jag a win when we need to against anyone else, but need to be at our best for those 3.

    But what happens, and this is surely on the cards (we can't be the only unlucky ones), if a Munster, Reynolds, Cook, Cleary gets one of the long term injuries that's sidelined about 10 of our players?

    We are $10 with the bookies and currently I think that's about right.

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    • #3
      I’m still of the belief if we just make it to the finals, anything can happen. Of course we’re under strength and undermanned, but troops slowly are and will start coming back. If we come to a finals series with players back, we’re looking at a 13 of Teddy/Toups/Morris x 2/Manu, Lam/Walker, TKO, Verrils, Collins, Cordner, Crichton, Rads + JWH/Sitili/Butcher/Liu etc etc. That’s a belter of a side in my unbiased view.

      For the most part, you look at how average Souths and Penrith played on the weekend against very sub par sides. Now, I’m not saying on their day we’d beat them, but I’m saying, even the “top” teams this year have had off days. We catch them on one of those come finals, it’s a positive outcome. We just need to string the wins together when we can get them, and I am absolutely of the belief we will make the finals interesting​​​​​.

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      • #4
        great thread and great article - i love that the guy who thinks we won't be contenders still rates us.

        i agree $10 for us winning the comp is about right at this stage. but if we can stay fit and cords comes back and sammy v makes a successful comeback and sammy w matches the ridiculously high standards that he's set for himself then our odds might narrow as the season develops.

        the gf's a long way away and it will be one week at a time. for the moment we need to roll our sleeves up and turn those close contests into narrow victories

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        • #5
          Against I'm afraid , I've been following footy for a long time I've never seen a team lose their chief playmaker and win the comp , it just doesn't happen. I still think it's going to be an exciting year watching the development of Walker and Sualli (hopefully sooner rather than later). I had a gut feeling they just might be a bit special.

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          • #6
            No
            it takes alot of luck to win the comp.
            Unfortunately bad luck doesn't count
            can't see anyone beating the panthers at this stage
            Last edited by Bondicigar; 04-20-2021, 07:20 PM.

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            • #7
              I dont see why not? Its still very early in the season and if the injuries even out then hopefully the injury curse will stop and there's still plenty of time for the team to gel come finals time. If TJ is brought in and plays to his best then its another great addition to a fully healed side bar Keary and Friend that has the ability to beat anyone on its day. Melbourne showed that this team has the character and defense to back it up ignoring the scoreboard. Always stay optimistic and Trust in Trent.

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              • #8
                No experienced or good enough halves, dummy half options dependent on verrills dominating from the get go, and our forwards are struggling with injury. Can’t see us competing for the title.

                the storm seem the complete package, each of the 1,6,7,9 could be best or close to the best in their position in the whole comp.

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                • #9
                  im in the no camp, but we will make the finals, maybe win week 1 ....thats it

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                  • #10
                    No chance.

                    Great year to blood the new boys.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bondicigar View Post
                      No
                      it takes alot of luck to win the comp.
                      Unfortunately bad luck doesn't count
                      can't see anyone beating the panthers at this stage
                      I personally believe the Storm have them covered

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                      • #12
                        I would love to think you are right Dice, but I think I will have to agree with most of the others on this one. It might just be a bridge too far this time, but we might come closer than many people think. It will be fascinating to see how we handle things. At least we won't be under much pressure. I agree that $10 is about right.

                        Still, other teams can have injuries - the ultimate leveller.
                        MRR or Rabid

                        Some people believe supporting the Roosters
                        is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed
                        with that attitude. I can assure you it is
                        much, much more important than that.


                        (1981 Bill Shankly quote variation)

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                        • #13
                          Footy is a funny game - as long as there is life then there is hope!
                          When the Cows lost JT, Morgan stepped up and led them to a GF.
                          And last year, the Faiders lost Hodgson and they overcame that injury to make the Prelim.
                          Have faith Rooster’s fans and enjoy the ride!!

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                          • #14
                            Depends on the pack.

                            If JWH, Collins, SST, Crichton, Radley can stay fit and firing, we've got a chance.

                            Walker, Lam, Teddy, Morrises, Manu and a fit Verrills at peak are enough fire power to get the team to the big dance.

                            It will take A LOT of luck though, not just for us, but we'll rely on other squads being a bit understrength at times too.

                            Its a big ask, but it's not over.

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                            • #15
                              Losing keary is a massive blow to our chances, and debuting an 18 year old half..... well no team has ever won a comp with a half under 21 years old, so history is against us. But in saying that we have plenty of stars and experience so if we get to the big dance with 15 of our top 17 available we will have a shot. It could come down to how the other teams go with injury and suspensions. Penrith without Kikau, and Cleary?? who knows.

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