Diving

[rented tracksuit]

When SOO teams come out and declare they won’t dive for penalties it proves that it’s happening far too often and it’s been noticed. Commentators on radio are talking about it regularly and how it’s becoming a blight in the game and how the game has gone slower after initiating the 6 again last year which made the game faster.

6 again is not about making the game faster. Its about giving even more of an advantage to the game managers to manipulate the control of game. V'landys has shot himself on the foot with his sudden apparent interest in player welfare as the outcome and by product is going against his initial sell.

[JAF]

I still like Latrell and wish him well.

Fark Latrell and fark the Vermin!

[King Salvo]

If a players stays down they have to come off the field - for how long though - 15 minutes? -Also when they go back on they replace the player that replaced them instead of the farcical situation of a player going off for a few seconds -then a fresh sub comes on and when they go back on they replace another player who was to be subbed - 2 free subs.

[rented tracksuit]

If a players stays down they have to come off the field - for how long though - 15 minutes? -Also when they go back on they replace the player that replaced them instead of the farcical situation of a player going off for a few seconds -then a fresh sub comes on and when they go back on they replace another player who was to be subbed - 2 free subs.

mmmmmm subs!

[King Salvo]

6 again is not about making the game faster. Its about giving even more of an advantage to the game managers to manipulate the control of game. V'landys has shot himself on the foot with his sudden apparent interest in player welfare as the outcome and by product is going against his initial sell.

Quite easy to reduce the impact of set restarts - don't give the ref the chance to award them.-simple same as high tackles - if you don't do them you wont be penalised/binned or suspended.

The next thing I hope on the NRL agenda in fixing the game is to bring in quicker ref held and release calls for this catch and hold -wrestling/judo jiu-jitsu tackling rubbish.

More set restarts/penalties and bins will eliminate these unsavory techniques from the game and force coaches to actually train their players on proper tackling techniques for once.

Limiting it to 2 defenders in tackles as well is also required as the third defender is never making a legitimate tackle only attacking the ball carriers legs - unsavory tackles such as the hip drop/cannon ball/rolling pin and the BOB etc etc.

I think Gould some times forgets what he has said - he was never a fan of the wrestling/judo/jiu-jitsi defence rubbish

"I go back 20-30 years ago when coaches started complaining about the speed of the play-the-ball was the reason they couldn't score points. I never believed in that and the tactics used in those days to slow the play-the-ball down were far safer than the rubbish we've seen over the last 10 years."

“The way they’ve handled that obsession, the way they’ve allowed the coaches to influence the rules, the way the referees and the league have been so easily influenced by those agendas that have been run by coaches and media has led us to where we are today with judo coaches, wrestling coaches, and now leg locks, head locks, grapple tackles, prowler tackles, crusher tackles.

“You name it what’s been introduced into our game because the game hasn’t controlled the tackling technique or how this game should be played.”

Vocal critics of the third-man in tackle, including commentator Phil Gould and former Test stars Gorden Tallis and Mark Gasnier have all recently slammed the technique, which sees two defenders hold the ball-carrier upright, before a third man spears in around the attacking player's legs.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...ce1a5cb876372b

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post...ut-at-the-nrl/

Also get rid of the dominant tackle and treat it as a normal tackle with no extra time and also the surrender tackle - many of the surrender tackles are actually voluntary tackles which should be penalised.

As I said these players and coaches are only current custodians of the game and they are ruining it with the current tackling techniques and diving/feigning etc which were never part of the game and have been allowed to infiltrate the game because of the inaction by previous administrations in nipping it in the bud and addressing it before it took a foothold or more appropriately a stranglehold of the game.

[ism22]

If a players stays down they have to come off the field - for how long though - 15 minutes? -Also when they go back on they replace the player that replaced them instead of the farcical situation of a player going off for a few seconds -then a fresh sub comes on and when they go back on they replace another player who was to be subbed - 2 free subs.

Crazy idea but what if we had unlimited subs and a bigger bench?

Then...
- Nobody would bother trying to milk a sub coz there's no advantage.
- The game could be played faster as you wouldn't have to pace yourself.
- If people get injured (or simply have niggles), they won't feel so bad about coming off.

> Also get rid of the dominant tackle and treat it as a normal tackle with no extra time and also the surrender tackle - many of the surrender tackles are actually voluntary tackles which should be penalised.

Isn't that the definition of a surrender tackle though?

The one time they annoy me is when the Drizz is up by 6 with say 4 minutes to go and they've got the ball. They'll then walk forward slowly, surrender, flop down slowly and then be like 'yeah... no rush' while getting up (which they can do because it gives them more time if they surrender). They'll then get up gingerly (feigning some sorta injury) and take their sweet time to play the ball. On the last they'll then do a grubber out, while walking towards the scrum (clock will stop eventually but if it's a home game, you'll steal 30-45 seconds by bludging your way over to the scrum). Did they change that rule this year? Maybe.

I do 't quite get the purpose of a 'surrender tackle'... why allow somebody to stay down for longer if they're intentionally trying to run down the clock? I dunno. The NRL's like that though! Some genius has a whinge, another genius reacts and the players just laugh at how stupid the management/politics side of the game is.

[King Salvo]

Crazy idea but what if we had unlimited subs and a bigger bench?

Then...
- Nobody would bother trying to milk a sub coz there's no advantage.
- The game could be played faster as you wouldn't have to pace yourself.
- If people get injured (or simply have niggles), they won't feel so bad about coming off.

> Also get rid of the dominant tackle and treat it as a normal tackle with no extra time and also the surrender tackle - many of the surrender tackles are actually voluntary tackles which should be penalised.

Isn't that the definition of a surrender tackle though?

The one time they annoy me is when the Drizz is up by 6 with say 4 minutes to go and they've got the ball. They'll then walk forward slowly, surrender, flop down slowly and then be like 'yeah... no rush' while getting up (which they can do because it gives them more time if they surrender). They'll then get up gingerly (feigning some sorta injury) and take their sweet time to play the ball. On the last they'll then do a grubber out, while walking towards the scrum (clock will stop eventually but if it's a home game, you'll steal 30-45 seconds by bludging your way over to the scrum). Did they change that rule this year? Maybe.

I do 't quite get the purpose of a 'surrender tackle'... why allow somebody to stay down for longer if they're intentionally trying to run down the clock? I dunno. The NRL's like that though! Some genius has a whinge, another genius reacts and the players just laugh at how stupid the management/politics side of the game is.

The voluntary tackle doesn't seem to exist anymore replaced by the surrender as the defender can get them in a bear hug and work them over - mmm that wrestling etc rubbish again- If players are doing this penalise them for voluntary tackles and if wasting time the ref should stop the clock.- Clubs can be heavily fined for intentionally wasting time.

When the ball is kicked or carried into touch instead of a scrum, play will be resumed with a play-the-ball

If a trainer requests that the referee stop the game for an injury timeout, the player that has gone down with the injury must either be interchanged or taken off the field for a period of two minutes while the ball remains in play. Once that two minutes of play has expired, the player may then return to the field.

[rented tracksuit]

While we at it guys, why don’t we just add a couple of velcro fluorescent colored tags to each player?

Dont know why people who call themselves footy fans want to keep changing the game ‘moving forward’. If anything, where we are now, we need to change some of it back.

It frustrates the living crap out of me that our game is now no better than soccer. We used to be able to hold our heads up high that we were not like that and now it’s nothing more than a laughing stock. It’s embarrasing.

[ism22]

The voluntary tackle doesn't seem to exist anymore replaced by the surrender as the defender can get them in a bear hug and work them over - mmm that wrestling etc rubbish again- If players are doing this penalise them for voluntary tackles and if wasting time the ref should stop the clock.- Clubs can be heavily fined for intentionally wasting time.

When the ball is kicked or carried into touch instead of a scrum, play will be resumed with a play-the-ball

If a trainer requests that the referee stop the game for an injury timeout, the player that has gone down with the injury must either be interchanged or taken off the field for a period of two minutes while the ball remains in play. Once that two minutes of play has expired, the player may then return to the field.

I wouldn't mind a system like soccer where they calculate all the time wasted due to stoppages and add it to the clock at the end.

There's always a ~30-60 second gap between play stopping and the clock stopping (usually a bigger one if the home team's up with 5 to go as you get your local timekeeper working the clocks... Faders are the absolute pits when it comes to this).

To me this, combined with penalising the Drizz for intentionally wasting time. For example if the ref sees 3 consecutive surrender tackles, followed by slow, gingerly, non-attempts to stand up and play the ball then call it... send a player off, give the defending team a march down the field and add an extra 5 minutes to the clock. To me this would kill the issue of general 'farking about'... which is the real issue, not the actual speed of the game.

[Johnny73]

The NRL says they will continue to crack down on high tackles during tomorrow night's Origin. If someone could let me know if it happened, I would appreciate it.

[King Salvo]

While we at it guys, why don’t we just add a couple of velcro fluorescent colored tags to each player?

Dont know now why people who call themselves footy fans want to keep changing the game ‘moving forward’. If anything, where we are now, we need to change some of it back.

It frustrates the living crap out of me that our game is now no better than soccer. We used to be able to hold our heads up high that we were not like that and now it’s nothing more than a laughing stock. It’s embarrasing.

It's a very very very small % of players doing this diving/feigning injury/wasting time - the ref's should be onto the wasting time one though - stop the clock and if deliberate penalise and or sin bin- fine clubs as well.

Diving and feigning of injuries is more difficult to address on the field as the refs are not a trained medical professionals - but if a player does stay down - then time should be called off - the Player has to leave the field and be replaced- and another player plays the ball.

In changing the game the Problem is the changes made years ago - i.e The Third man in tackle for instance advocated by a number of coaches who were on the rules committee or had significant influence at the time - when Bill Harrigan was the ref's boss- which was the start of all this wrestling/judo and jiu-jitsu rubbish that is major blight on the game- Should call it NWL ( National Wrestling League) instead

As I said easy to fix - allow only 1 or 2 defender tackles - 3rd man /3 in a tackle is penalised- then players have to learn proper tackling techniques.

I seem to recall years ago a penalty being awarded if there were three defenders in a tackle ?

That's why there is a current trend of players backing into the defence to avoid this wrestling/judo/jiu-jitsu rubbish and the 3rd man/defender in - also they may think the defenders will let them go earlier to enable a quicker play the ball to avoid being penalised for a crusher type tackle.

PV and AA have a lot more work to do in cleaning up the game other than enforcing existing rules on the field of play for foul play as advocated for by Robbo.

Next should be banning the 3 defender tackle or 3rd man in