Gerard Sutton is a Cheat

[bondi paul]

Article today highlighting that we have the most successful captains challenges which suggests to me that we aren't getting the rub of the green from the whistle blowers.

Always enjoying reading your posts JB - funny the article never mentions the disrespect by refs to our players. Also i May be wrong here but it seems to me there is always drama with Sutton regardless of him officiating our games.

[roostermcgregor]

It seems that everyone contributing to this forum thinks the referees are cheats.
There needs to be a poll done with all NRL fans, giving them the right to vote on whether they think the Referees are "lying, cheating bastards"
If the poll comes back with an overwhelming "Yes" vote (which I think it will) , then the NRL Annusley and the referees need to have a long hard look at themselves.
And fix the problem.
There is no point hiding behind the outrage, that the players show disrespect for the referees , and the players "cannot do that"
Ban Brandon Smith for 3 matches for telling the truth ?.
Just because you are in a position of power.
Power can come and go - you can be easily outed , or voted out, from a position of power.
If Brandon Smith says a referee is "a lying , cheating bastard ....... the fans have told me so" he is not showing disrespect - he is just telling the truth.
We all know he's telling the truth.
Brandon Smith calls it a s he sees it - he calls a spade a spade- he wears his heart on his sleeve.
Lets stop being hypocrites.
Is anybody with a voice, game enough to cause a ripple ? Gould, Fittler, the coaches? - anybody? or are they just all gutless wonders, just interested in keeping the status quo, and keeping their jobs safe.
It may just help stamp out the corruption, game fixing, game management, cheating, lying, favouritism and bias, that we see in our game, that is a complete blight on the NRL.

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

The challenge wasn’t brought in because refs were unfairly officiating.

No it was brought in to compensate for refs making errors (or poor decisions). Take that out of the game and we don't need challenges right? My point is that with certain refs (Sutton and Cummins in particular) there seems to be a fine line between them consistently making "errors" and screwing us over

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

It seems that everyone contributing to this forum thinks the referees are cheats.
There needs to be a poll done with all NRL fans, giving them the right to vote on whether they think the Referees are "lying, cheating bastards"
If the poll comes back with an overwhelming "Yes" vote (which I think it will) , then the NRL Annusley and the referees need to have a long hard look at themselves.
And fix the problem.
There is no point hiding behind the outrage, that the players show disrespect for the referees , and the players "cannot do that"
Ban Brandon Smith for 3 matches for telling the truth ?.
Just because you are in a position of power.
Power can come and go - you can be easily outed , or voted out, from a position of power.
If Brandon Smith says a referee is "a lying , cheating bastard ....... the fans have told me so" he is not showing disrespect - he is just telling the truth.
We all know he's telling the truth.
Brandon Smith calls it a s he sees it - he calls a spade a spade- he wears his heart on his sleeve.
Lets stop being hypocrites.
Is anybody with a voice, game enough to cause a ripple ? Gould, Fittler, the coaches? - anybody? or are they just all gutless wonders, just interested in keeping the status quo, and keeping their jobs safe.
It may just help stamp out the corruption, game fixing, game management, cheating, lying, favouritism and bias, that we see in our game, that is a complete blight on the NRL.

I'm with you. As a life long fan of the game I have never been more frustrated by the state of the rules and the way they are officiated as I have been over the past few seasons.

Foxtel or whomever need to run a poll on the current crop of professional refs whom the NRL employ. The NRL would sh^t themselves when the results come out.

IMO whether or not the fans think that certain refs are either cheats, or they have an unconscious bias or are just plan dumb, the fact that so many fans (the most important stakeholders of the game) think that the current crop of (paid) refs are incompetent is telling

Btw I take my hat off to the volunteers out there that officiate and support kids and park footy games. I know there are a couple of people on here that do that. You guys are the life blood of grass roots footy. Its a shame that the current group of professional refs are such a blight on the game.

[Mickie Lane]

It seems that everyone contributing to this forum thinks the referees are cheats.
There needs to be a poll done with all NRL fans, giving them the right to vote on whether they think the Referees are "lying, cheating bastards"
If the poll comes back with an overwhelming "Yes" vote (which I think it will) , then the NRL Annusley and the referees need to have a long hard look at themselves.
And fix the problem.
There is no point hiding behind the outrage, that the players show disrespect for the referees , and the players "cannot do that"
Ban Brandon Smith for 3 matches for telling the truth ?.
Just because you are in a position of power.
Power can come and go - you can be easily outed , or voted out, from a position of power.
If Brandon Smith says a referee is "a lying , cheating bastard ....... the fans have told me so" he is not showing disrespect - he is just telling the truth.
We all know he's telling the truth.
Brandon Smith calls it a s he sees it - he calls a spade a spade- he wears his heart on his sleeve.
Lets stop being hypocrites.
Is anybody with a voice, game enough to cause a ripple ? Gould, Fittler, the coaches? - anybody? or are they just all gutless wonders, just interested in keeping the status quo, and keeping their jobs safe.
It may just help stamp out the corruption, game fixing, game management, cheating, lying, favouritism and bias, that we see in our game, that is a complete blight on the NRL.

I dont.
Refereeing is subjective because the NRL, media & fans want fast flowing footy so to achieve this the refs have to be subjective in their decision making because every play in a game can be penalised which would mean there would be hundreds of penalties per game & no one would watch it.
Also people want perfection from refs which is not possible as its not possible for players to be perfect.
One eyed supporters bellyache about the refs decisions all the time its been that way since the game started.
Just remember without the refs there is no game & if any member on here is under 25 go & get your refereeing ticket & become an NRL referee & give all the decisions to the Roosters to keep all the whingers on here happy.

[redwhiteblue]

"We're celebrating a hundred years. I've got to be honest, we've got some heroes in our game but they're certainly not administrators," he said. "They could be pouring money into the game elsewhere. There are so many problems within our game. The referees are an enormous problem. You've got people supposedly teaching the referees who don't have a clue. But the biggest problem is they keep tinkering with our game.

"They want to do this, they want to do that. And this is the only code where the referees encourage the players to cheat - to put the ball into the second row. We should be ashamed of ourselves to be calling a scrum a scrum."- Arthur Beetson, 2008

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

I dont.
Refereeing is subjective because the NRL, media & fans want fast flowing footy so to achieve this the refs have to be subjective in their decision making because every play in a game can be penalised which would mean there would be hundreds of penalties per game & no one would watch it.
Also people want perfection from refs which is not possible as its not possible for players to be perfect.
One eyed supporters bellyache about the refs decisions all the time its been that way since the game started.
Just remember without the refs there is no game & if any member on here is under 25 go & get your refereeing ticket & become an NRL referee & give all the decisions to the Roosters to keep all the whingers on here happy.

I have to respectfully disagree mate. Sorry I don't mean to complain, just calling it how I see it. Fans don't want perfection. But is it unreasonable that we should expect consistency? Officiating to the rules (not altering their interpretation of the rule) is something that is within the hands of the refs. Surely you would agree that the standard of officiating in the NRL is well below par, compared to what it once was. And its not just on this forum that we hear people complain. A single round doesn't go by without some form of controversy involving a decision that the refs have made. Why are fans from all teams and the media at large so regularly bringing them up. The standard is poor, and mistakes have become the norm.

Anyways the game is about to start. Hopefully we are celebrating a Roosters win tonight instead of complaining about the refereeing. Go the chooks

[player 1]

I dont.
Refereeing is subjective because the NRL, media & fans want fast flowing footy so to achieve this the refs have to be subjective in their decision making because every play in a game can be penalised which would mean there would be hundreds of penalties per game & no one would watch it.
Also people want perfection from refs which is not possible as its not possible for players to be perfect.
One eyed supporters bellyache about the refs decisions all the time its been that way since the game started.
Just remember without the refs there is no game & if any member on here is under 25 go & get your refereeing ticket & become an NRL referee & give all the decisions to the Roosters to keep all the whingers on here happy.

LOL.

Watching this game bud?

[Johnny Brass]

Always enjoying reading your posts JB - funny the article never mentions the disrespect by refs to our players. Also i May be wrong here but it seems to me there is always drama with Sutton regardless of him officiating our games.

Thanks for the kind words Paul, I enjoy coming on here and talking roosters and footy.
Probably look at refs with red, white and blue eyes but it grinds my gears if we don't cop what I perceive to be a fair crack.

[Team Evil]

Just think about it, if every fan thinks the Ref’s are cheating then none of them are.
‘It’s the NRL that have put the refs in this position, Ref’s have to make decisions on the spot that are always ambiguous and this is proved when you look at the pols after a game, I can dead set say a decision was wrong but they do a pol and the fans are completely divided. So are the incompetent commentators.
‘Ask your non Rooster friends if the Rooster’s are unfairly treated by the Ref’s they will have the completely different opinion, ask them if their team is unfairly treated.
Lets concentrate on what we can control.

[King Salvo]

People have been complaining about match officials ever since any sport started.

NRL referees have nothing on MLB Umpires Angel Hernandez and even the now retired Joe West

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

Just think about it, if every fan thinks the Ref’s are cheating then none of them are.
‘It’s the NRL that have put the refs in this position, Ref’s have to make decisions on the spot that are always ambiguous and this is proved when you look at the pols after a game, I can dead set say a decision was wrong but they do a pol and the fans are completely divided. So are the incompetent commentators.
‘Ask your non Rooster friends if the Rooster’s are unfairly treated by the Ref’s they will have the completely different opinion, ask them if their team is unfairly treated.
Lets concentrate on what we can control.

I have received numerous messages over the last few years from non Roosters mates complaining about the referring decisions during our games. I even got one from a souffs colleague when Sutton screwed us against the riff.

But you are right, better to concentrate on what we can control.

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

IMO some (not all) refs have an unconscious bias. But the more I think about it the more I blame the current system. Whereby the refs are allowed to enforce the gsme through their "interpretation" of a rule. This is what breeds inconsistency. Rules are supposed to be black and white. It all comes back to this product of trying to create a faster game with higher scores and 6 agains. Defence is an equal part of a strong performance, but it isn't treated as such.

[rented tracksuit]

People have been complaining about match officials ever since any sport started.

NRL referees have nothing on MLB Umpires Angel Hernandez and even the now retired Joe West

I don’t really care what happens in the MLB. I’m here for the Roosters and the bias against them sux.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

That ref last night was incompetent, or biased, one or the other. Decisions in the first 20 minutes were disgraceful and kept the Knights in the game. The penalty against JWH, the phantom 6 again call, the Milford dive, the high call against Sammy V. Ridiculous.