“Roosters push refs to limit”

[Hawkeye]

Penalty differentials for the Roosters during Hughy's years with us:

1985: -33
1986: -27
1987: -32
1988: -20
1989: -17
1990: -17

I'm not sure, but we might need to go back to Dally Messenger's time to find a period where we got a fair go from the refs.

haha ..really ? shheeesh we copped it even back then. But Im sure back then the Roosters deliberately gave away penalties when defending their lines !

[King Salvo]

With these stats on penalties is there a break down on what they are for , where they are conceded on the field , on what tackle and were they back to back to back in a short period time for each game

I remember a game when Chook conceded 3 or so penalties in their red zone near their line in each half in quick succession- back to back to back basically.

The Penalty count I think was 11-5 against Chook in that particular game - Even though 11-5 it was not like a penalty were awarded every 7 minutes or singular penalties - 6 came in 2 blocks in very short succession.

On the surface stats may show x but if you drill down it might show y

[Batemans Bay Rooster]

In recent years we haven't had an influential captain when it comes to the refs. Freddy wasn't bad, but neither Friend or Cordner seemed to be able to string a sentence together much less make a calm case in the heat of the battle.

Teddy doesn't seem that great at it either.

Keary always seems too emotional.

Verrils might have it in him...

Who knows?

That's a good point Bansai. On kind of the same line, and I'm not suggesting our players should be suck-asses, but Jared calling Gerard Sutton "Jerry" and being kind of flippant with him, I dunno, maybe don't do that, almost sounds like you're trying to piss him off. Robbo had some excellent things to say about the issue today on the coach media video. As per usual he makes no excuses, does make a minor reference to "we've asked what we need to do better without any response" says Jared absolutely should have gone to the bin but of course Liam Martin should have as well after 3 successive penalties and a hold down 1 meter out. But it's still our responsibility to be better he says. He's the ultimate leader.

[BallyChook]

We don't really need to analyse though what the penalties are for that we have given away. As I understand it the number of penalties that we concede whilst usually more than our opponents isn't a statistical outlier.

Whereas the question that remains unanswered is why don't we receive penalties or 50/50 calls in similar circumstances that our opponents generally do, which results in our large differential deficit. That's where the real (subconscious) bias lies and what needs to be examined.

[player 1]

with these stats on penalties is there a break down on what they are for , where they are conceded on the field , on what tackle and were they back to back to back in a short period time for each game

i remember a game when chook conceded 3 or so penalties in their red zone near their line in each half in quick succession- back to back to back basically.

The penalty count i think was 11-5 against chook in that particular game - even though 11-5 it was not like a penalty were awarded every 7 minutes or singular penalties - 6 came in 2 blocks in very short succession.

On the surface stats may show x but if you drill down it might show y

lol.

[Spirit of 66]

On the surface stats may show x but if you drill down it might show y

I've drilled down through a quarter of a century of statistics but I'll keep going. If I find any evidence that the Roosters have been treated fairly, you'll be the first to know.

[King Salvo]

lol.

SMH

[The Corner Post]

This might have been mentioned already (127 posts deep).

I recall a few years back that we on the Chookpen pulled some stats together regarding Cummins.
We had a dreadful win/loss record with him refereeing us.
Any way, Gus Gould eventually bought this same point up in the media.
Ever since then, I feel we have had at least a fair record with Cummins as ref.
Just saying.

[Mickie Lane]

I just heard some caller on Talkin Sport say that the Roosters over all have a 56% win rate under Sutton. Talkin Sport commented that Klein was the Roosters omen.
I must admit I thought the Chooks were hard done by in the Penrith game by Sutton.

[fletch]

For anyone who cares - Rooster’s Ladder position of Penalties RECEIVED (Since Robbo has been coach)
‘21*- 13th
‘20 - 13th
‘19 - 12th
‘18 - 14th
‘17 - 15th
‘16 - 12th
‘15 - 13th
‘14 - 16th
‘13 - 15th

https://twitter.com/nearlytheGOAT/st...96025560903684

[Tommy Smith]

For anyone who cares - Rooster’s Ladder position of Penalties RECEIVED (Since Robbo has been coach)
‘21*- 13th
‘20 - 13th
‘19 - 12th
‘18 - 14th
‘17 - 15th
‘16 - 12th
‘15 - 13th
‘14 - 16th
‘13 - 15th

https://twitter.com/nearlytheGOAT/st...96025560903684

Like rolling a 4-sided dice - numbered 1 to 4 - 9 times and coming up with the no.4 every time.

Buckleys chance.

Only explainable by bias or corruption.

[Rooster1908]

For anyone who cares - Rooster’s Ladder position of Penalties RECEIVED (Since Robbo has been coach)
‘21*- 13th
‘20 - 13th
‘19 - 12th
‘18 - 14th
‘17 - 15th
‘16 - 12th
‘15 - 13th
‘14 - 16th
‘13 - 15th

https://twitter.com/nearlytheGOAT/st...96025560903684

Robbos fault then

[Headless Chook]

With these stats on penalties is there a break down on what they are for , where they are conceded on the field , on what tackle and were they back to back to back in a short period time for each game

I remember a game when Chook conceded 3 or so penalties in their red zone near their line in each half in quick succession- back to back to back basically.

The Penalty count I think was 11-5 against Chook in that particular game - Even though 11-5 it was not like a penalty were awarded every 7 minutes or singular penalties - 6 came in 2 blocks in very short succession.

On the surface stats may show x but if you drill down it might show y

You're missing the point again King. Most of us have acknowledged that we concede penalties, its the fact we don't get any in return that is the issue

[barryd]

Like rolling a 4-sided dice - numbered 1 to 4 - 9 times and coming up with the no.4 every time.

Buckleys chance.

Only explainable by bias or corruption.

Maybe you just rolled the dice exactly the same way every time

[King Salvo]

I've drilled down through a quarter of a century of statistics but I'll keep going. If I find any evidence that the Roosters have been treated fairly, you'll be the first to know.

This will save you time - Penalty stats from 1980 to 2021 - It is NSWRL/NRL despite it saying AFL

Interesting that for only 4 seasons of the almost 41 Chook have the highest negative penalty differential

2009 - 50
2010 - 46
2013 - 62
2014 - 59

https://afltables.com/rl/misc/penalties.html