“Roosters push refs to limit”

[BenCumminsIsACheat]

This will save you time - Penalty stats from 1980 to 2021 - It is NSWRL/NRL despite it saying AFL

Interesting that for only 4 seasons of the almost 41 Chook have the highest negative penalty differential

2009 - 50
2010 - 46
2013 - 62
2014 - 59

https://afltables.com/rl/misc/penalties.html

Great analysis there Plebeian Salvo highlighting the recent bias against the Roosters.
I like how you've shown how we've had the highest negative penalty differential 4 times in the last 12 years. Statistically / on average, we should've only had the worst record 0.75 times in that period.
I'm glad to see you've turned the corner

[King Salvo]

Great analysis there Plebeian Salvo highlighting the recent bias against the Roosters.
I like how you've shown how we've had the highest negative penalty differential 4 times in the last 12 years. Statistically / on average, we should've only had the worst record 0.75 times in that period.
I'm glad to see you've turned the corner

I would be watching you battle away in the Coliseum against a fellow Gladiator of your's who uses a net and trident - No 6 again or Reversal either - thumb up or down mmmmm

Channeling Big Jack Gibson perhaps a master of subterfuge when it came to subtle and not so subtle criticising of particular refs especially up to and around finals time - not wanting Hartley to ref etc full well knowing the league would appoint him- putting the spotlight and pressure on Hartley and not on his players.

Same as now - whose the spot light and pressure on the ref or the players - reverse psychology.

Look at this topic in how many have bought into this "bias" - unless refs are locked away without access to tv/newspapers / internet etc they will be thinking about this and it will be on their mind when considering awarding penalties against Chook.

[Spirit of 66]

This will save you time - Penalty stats from 1980 to 2021 - It is NSWRL/NRL despite it saying AFL

Interesting that for only 4 seasons of the almost 41 Chook have the highest negative penalty differential

2009 - 50
2010 - 46
2013 - 62
2014 - 59

https://afltables.com/rl/misc/penalties.html

Please see my post (#14) in this thread. As you are clearly well versed in statistical analysis, I’d be interested in your views.

[King Salvo]

Please see my post (#14) in this thread. As you are clearly well versed in statistical analysis, I’d be interested in your views.

One interesting stat which may surprise you is under Phil Gould's tenure- Chook + differential all years (1995-1999) + 94 overall

• 1995 + 12 ( 6)
• 1996 + 53 (1)
• 1997 +7 ( 7)
• 1998 +6 (7)
• 1999 +16 (6)

From 2008 to 2021(round 21) the Chook differential is minus 422 - From the Stats from 1980 to 2021 (Round 21) the Chook differential for this period is minus 322 - So from 1980 to 2007 the Chook differential for this period was plus 100. - 27 seasons

2008 to 2021 (round 21) - almost 14 seasons

Chook made the Finals 10 times- counting 2021

Chook played in 4 Grandfinals winning 3

Chook missed the Finals 4 times ( 2009/11/12/16)

1 + Differential Year - 2016 - Only Year Chook hasn't played finals under Robbo
*13 minus differential years - 2021 season incomplete

Differentials 2008 to 2021* season incomple

• 2008 - 37 (15)- Fittler
• 2009 - 50 (16) - Fittler
• 2010 - 46 (16) - Smith
• 2011 - 17 (14) - Smith
• 2012 - 26 (14) - Smith
• 2013 - 62 (16) - Robbo
• 2014 - 59 (16) - Robbo
• 2015 - 15 (12) - Robbo
• 2016 - + 4 (6) - Robbo
• 2017 - 24 (15) - Robbo
• 2018 - 12 (11) - Robbo
• 2019 - 27 (14) - Robbo
• 2020 - 18 (15) - Robbo
• 2021 - 33 (15) - Round 21- Robbo

Under Fittler - 87- average ( 2 seasons) - 43.50

Under Smith - 89 - average ( 3 seasons) - 29.67

Under Robbo - 246- average * 2021 incomplete -

Under Robbo 2013 to 2020 ( 8 Completed seasons) - 213 - average - 26.63

[Spirit of 66]

One interesting stat which may surprise you is under Phil Gould's tenure- Chook + differential all years (1995-1999) + 94 overall

• 1995 + 12 ( 6)
• 1996 + 53 (1)
• 1997 +7 ( 7)
• 1998 +6 (7)
• 1999 +16 (6)

From 2008 to 2021(round 21) the Chook differential is minus 422 - From the Stats from 1980 to 2021 (Round 21) the Chook differential for this period is minus 322 - So from 1980 to 2007 the Chook differential for this period was plus 100. - 27 seasons

2008 to 2021 (round 21) - almost 14 seasons

Chook made the Finals 10 times- counting 2021

Chook played in 4 Grandfinals winning 3

Chook missed the Finals 4 times ( 2009/11/12/16)

1 + Differential Year - 2016 - Only Year Chook hasn't played finals under Robbo
*13 minus differential years - 2021 season incomplete

Differentials 2008 to 2021* season incomple

• 2008 - 37 (15)- Fittler
• 2009 - 50 (16) - Fittler
• 2010 - 46 (16) - Smith
• 2011 - 17 (14) - Smith
• 2012 - 26 (14) - Smith
• 2013 - 62 (16) - Robbo
• 2014 - 59 (16) - Robbo
• 2015 - 15 (12) - Robbo
• 2016 - + 4 (6) - Robbo
• 2017 - 24 (15) - Robbo
• 2018 - 12 (11) - Robbo
• 2019 - 27 (14) - Robbo
• 2020 - 18 (15) - Robbo
• 2021 - 33 (15) - Round 21- Robbo

Under Fittler - 87- average ( 2 seasons) - 43.50

Under Smith - 89 - average ( 3 seasons) - 29.67

Under Robbo - 246- average * 2021 incomplete -

Under Robbo 2013 to 2020 ( 8 Completed seasons) - 213 - average - 26.63

Some interesting data there. Do you draw any conclusions?

For instance, you've carefully selected a 27 year period in which the Roosters finished with a total +100 differential (or, on average +3.7 per year over that time) and compared that with the last 14 years which had a total of -422 (or, on average, -30.1 per year). The first sample is twice as big as the second and shows a near zero differential over the period on average - which is what you'd expect for all teams if things were relatively fair and square. The results in the second sample deviate significantly from the baseline you have established. Things are now 913.5% worse.

You've correctly highlighted that over the second period we've had three different coaches and that the negative differentials have continued under each. Any ideas why? And looking at the figures I pointed you to in this thread (post #14), why do the Roosters and only the Roosters deviate so far from the statistical average over the period? I'm not asking you to subscribe to a conspiracy theory - I'm asking for YOUR theory. (e.g. the Roosters are not only the most undisciplined team in the comp, but other undisciplined teams somehow overcome this when they play the Roosters? We keep choosing the wrong coaches except for Gould during the Super League War?).

[player 1]

some interesting data there. Do you draw any conclusions?

For instance, you've carefully selected a 27 year period in which the roosters finished with a total +100 differential (or, on average +3.7 per year over that time) and compared that with the last 14 years which had a total of -422 (or, on average, -30.1 per year). The first sample is twice as big as the second and shows a near zero differential over the period on average - which is what you'd expect for all teams if things were relatively fair and square. The results in the second sample deviate significantly from the baseline you have established. Things are now 913.5% worse.

You've correctly highlighted that over the second period we've had three different coaches and that the negative differentials have continued under each. Any ideas why? And looking at the figures i pointed you to in this thread (post #14), why do the roosters and only the roosters deviate so far from the statistical average over the period? I'm not asking you to subscribe to a conspiracy theory - i'm asking for your theory. (e.g. The roosters are not only the most undisciplined team in the comp, but other undisciplined teams somehow overcome this when they play the roosters? We keep choosing the wrong coaches except for gould during the super league war?).

the earth is flat1111

[bondi paul]

I watched the drizzle vs faiders solely for the purpose of observing Sutton. Hardly in 6 agains however he should have penalised the hell out of the Drizzle.

[ism22]

Meanwhile...

> Canberra forward Corey Harawira-Naerais facing a four-week ban after he was sent off late in Thursday's game for high contact [grade 3 reckless] on Melbourne halfback Jahrome Hughes... If he submits an early guilty plea, he will cop a three-game suspension.

What's getting annoying is seeing guys like Radley and Crichton getting similar/worse penalties for significantly lower gradings.

IMO the rules are a farce when horrible, reckless tackles get 3 weeks and others that are grade 1 (and arguably not even penalties) also get 3-5 weeks. Accidents happen, as do technical breaches. IMO we cop a lot of technical breaches, but the NRL would be hard pressed to find examples of Easts doing dog shots that fit the description of 'grade 3 reckless' and the like.

[King Salvo]

the earth is flat1111

Like your IQ

[King Salvo]

Some interesting data there. Do you draw any conclusions?

For instance, you've carefully selected a 27 year period in which the Roosters finished with a total +100 differential (or, on average +3.7 per year over that time) and compared that with the last 14 years which had a total of -422 (or, on average, -30.1 per year). The first sample is twice as big as the second and shows a near zero differential over the period on average - which is what you'd expect for all teams if things were relatively fair and square. The results in the second sample deviate significantly from the baseline you have established. Things are now 913.5% worse.

You've correctly highlighted that over the second period we've had three different coaches and that the negative differentials have continued under each. Any ideas why? And looking at the figures I pointed you to in this thread (post #14), why do the Roosters and only the Roosters deviate so far from the statistical average over the period? I'm not asking you to subscribe to a conspiracy theory - I'm asking for YOUR theory. (e.g. the Roosters are not only the most undisciplined team in the comp, but other undisciplined teams somehow overcome this when they play the Roosters? We keep choosing the wrong coaches except for Gould during the Super League War?).

One can conclude the bias theory doesn't stackup statistically though as it would have shown up in the stats from 1980.

One would have also assumed if there was a bias against Chook then that would have shown up during Gould's Tenure especially with his significant involvement in the ARL vs Superleague period - I knew a few of the Wests Magpie players at the time and Gould came out this way a number of times to meet with Wests players/coaches and officials regarding sticking with the ARL as he did with other clubs. Certainly News Corp were no fans of Gould one has to say.

Apart from reviewing each penalty given during a game then next thing to look at is players as well as the Coach - For an example People on here often post how JWH and others give away too many penalties during a game and it is well known that Chook would concede penalties on their line allegedly on purpose to slow play down and to re-set their defence - set restarts have significantly impacted the use of this as a tactic though as play continues - no stoppage or committee meeting to work out what to do next - oh lets waste some time and kick for touch backwards and help the defending team re-set their defence etc

For it to be deemed a bias it has to be consistent though not the fluctuations you see below and all would have to be in on it - All Refs/Touchies/Match Officials/NRL - Obviously Chook doesn't lose every penalty count every match either.

More Grassy Knoll than factual as people tend to want to cling onto any excuse or theory or even make them up to counter what they don't want to believe or what their eyes are telling them.

More likely Channeling Big Jack Gibson as I said previously the Master of Subterfuge in his running battle with officialdom- The finals are just around the corner

• 2013 - 62 (16) - Robbo - Minor Premiers and Premiers
• 2014 - 59 (16) - Robbo- Minor Premiers- Preliminary Final
• 2015 - 15 (12) - Robbo - Minor Premiers- Preliminary Final
• 2016 - + 4 (6) - Robbo - 15th
• 2017 - 24 (15) - Robbo- Preliminary Final
• 2018 - 12 (11) - Robbo- Minor Premiers and Premiers
• 2019 - 27 (14) - Robbo- Premiers
• 2020 - 18 (15) - Robbo- Finals week 2

[stringaz]

I watched the drizzle vs faiders solely for the purpose of observing Sutton. Hardly in 6 agains however he should have penalised the hell out of the Drizzle.

Gerry was up to some weird shnizzle in that one. How's the strom having their captains challenge reset after they found a penalty against them (munster escort) in the challenge nicho hynes commissioned from his knock on.

[King Salvo]

Meanwhile...

> Canberra forward Corey Harawira-Naerais facing a four-week ban after he was sent off late in Thursday's game for high contact [grade 3 reckless] on Melbourne halfback Jahrome Hughes... If he submits an early guilty plea, he will cop a three-game suspension.

What's getting annoying is seeing guys like Radley and Crichton getting similar/worse penalties for significantly lower gradings.

IMO the rules are a farce when horrible, reckless tackles get 3 weeks and others that are grade 1 (and arguably not even penalties) also get 3-5 weeks. Accidents happen, as do technical breaches. IMO we cop a lot of technical breaches, but the NRL would be hard pressed to find examples of Easts doing dog shots that fit the description of 'grade 3 reckless' and the like.

Loadings for similar offences (50% ) and non similar offences(20% for each one ) and Carryovers increase the suspension though

This tackle was a grade 3 - 600 base points - Harawira-Naera has no loadings or carryovers and has a 7 year incident free record- 25% discount

So 600 points less 25% early guilty plea discount and 25% 7 year incident free record discount (50% reduction) means it will be only 300 points (3 games) with an early guilty plea or 450 points if challenged and found guilty at the judiciary - only receives the 25% 7 year incident free record discount.

[player 1]

One can conclude the bias theory doesn't stackup statistically though as it would have shown up in the stats from 1980.

One would have also assumed if there was a bias against Chook then that would have shown up during Gould's Tenure especially with his significant involvement in the ARL vs Superleague period - I knew a few of the Wests Magpie players at the time and Gould came out this way a number of times to meet with Wests players/coaches and officials regarding sticking with the ARL as he did with other clubs. Certainly News Corp were no fans of Gould one has to say.

Apart from reviewing each penalty given during a game then next thing to look at is players as well as the Coach - For an example People on here often post how JWH and others give away too many penalties during a game and it is well known that Chook would concede penalties on their line allegedly on purpose to slow play down and to re-set their defence - set restarts have significantly impacted the use of this as a tactic though as play continues - no stoppage or committee meeting to work out what to do next - oh lets waste some time and kick for touch backwards and help the defending team re-set their defence etc

For it to be deemed a bias it has to be consistent though not the fluctuations you see below and all would have to be in on it - All Refs/Touchies/Match Officials/NRL - Obviously Chook doesn't lose every penalty count every match either.

More Grassy Knoll than factual as people tend to want to cling onto any excuse or theory or even make them up to counter what they don't want to believe or what their eyes are telling them.

More likely Channeling Big Jack Gibson as I said previously the Master of Subterfuge in his running battle with officialdom

• 2013 - 62 (16) - Robbo - Minor Premiers and Premiers
• 2014 - 59 (16) - Robbo- Minor Premiers- Preliminary Final
• 2015 - 15 (12) - Robbo - Minor Premiers- Preliminary Final
• 2016 - + 4 (6) - Robbo - 15th
• 2017 - 24 (15) - Robbo- Preliminary Final
• 2018 - 12 (11) - Robbo- Minor Premiers and Premiers
• 2019 - 27 (14) - Robbo- Premiers
• 2020 - 18 (15) - Robbo- Finals week 2

Only read about 2 words of this, but by God you're an idiot.

[King Salvo]

Only read about 2 words of this, but by God you're an idiot.

Most likely all you can read as your as sharp as a bowling ball I hear- Go help your Mum by doing some chores for her instead of annoying the Adults - Kiddies like you should be seen and not heard.

Not a good idea for kiddies to have a day off today for student well being day especially when they can access the internet and troll.

[Spirit of 66]

One can conclude the bias theory doesn't stackup statistically though as it would have shown up in the stats from 1980.

One would have also assumed if there was a bias against Chook then that would have shown up during Gould's Tenure especially with his significant involvement in the ARL vs Superleague period - I knew a few of the Wests Magpie players at the time and Gould came out this way a number of times to meet with Wests players/coaches and officials regarding sticking with the ARL as he did with other clubs. Certainly News Corp were no fans of Gould one has to say.

Apart from reviewing each penalty given during a game then next thing to look at is players as well as the Coach - For an example People on here often post how JWH and others give away too many penalties during a game and it is well known that Chook would concede penalties on their line allegedly on purpose to slow play down and to re-set their defence - set restarts have significantly impacted the use of this as a tactic though as play continues - no stoppage or committee meeting to work out what to do next - oh lets waste some time and kick for touch backwards and help the defending team re-set their defence etc

For it to be deemed a bias it has to be consistent though not the fluctuations you see below and all would have to be in on it - All Refs/Touchies/Match Officials/NRL - Obviously Chook doesn't lose every penalty count every match either.

More Grassy Knoll than factual as people tend to want to cling onto any excuse or theory or even make them up to counter what they don't want to believe or what their eyes are telling them.

More likely Channeling Big Jack Gibson as I said previously the Master of Subterfuge in his running battle with officialdom- The finals are just around the corner

• 2013 - 62 (16) - Robbo - Minor Premiers and Premiers
• 2014 - 59 (16) - Robbo- Minor Premiers- Preliminary Final
• 2015 - 15 (12) - Robbo - Minor Premiers- Preliminary Final
• 2016 - + 4 (6) - Robbo - 15th
• 2017 - 24 (15) - Robbo- Preliminary Final
• 2018 - 12 (11) - Robbo- Minor Premiers and Premiers
• 2019 - 27 (14) - Robbo- Premiers
• 2020 - 18 (15) - Robbo- Finals week 2

OK. So, in summary, (a) it's Jarred's fault; (b) the relentless flogging by the referees has only lasted 14 years (actually it's closer to 20) and that's not long enough to cause concern; (c) in the 1990s the refs were nice to Phil Gould (maybe less so when he tried to get his team to walk off after one outrageously one-sided refereeing performance); (d) there can't be anything wrong with the refereeing because we continue to win games; and (e) Robbo, Ricketson and Politis are mischievously attempting to manipulate the referees to get an advantage going into the finals.

Thanks for clearing that up. I won't argue with any of that.