“Roosters push refs to limit”

[bondi.boy]

An excerpt from a 2015 article from Rothfield:

"What we can reveal is that every week in preparing for games, the refs have as part of their preparation a session they call “around the grounds’’.
They sit around a room and discuss the different habits and idiosyncrasies of players.
While it is fantastic they are doing their homework, it could also lead to suggestions they are going into games each week with preconceived ideas.
For example, if say five Roosters players have been spoken about during “around the grounds’’ and only two Storm players, does that mean the Roosters will be watched more closely than the Storm?"
(https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...f466e293e76663)

Conveniently, the article is also about unfair penalty counts against the Roosters and serves to highlight why this perpetual bias against us exists. The referees already know what they're going to call before we even take the field

Well there you go!
Instead of taking the field and refereeing the games with an open mind to every tackle and play, they're having meetings and discussing the habits and idiosyncrasies of players.
LOL...what a joke.

[bondi.boy]

Oh to be a golden child in a teacher's pet team.

[redwhiteblue]

Over breakfast, I thought I'd look at the NRL penalty stats over the past 14 years. Specifically, I looked at penalty differentials - that is, the difference between the number of penalties a team gets and the number it concedes. One would expect these would fluctuate over time with different teams, different coaches and different levels of performance. I looked at the figures for the last 14 years (to cover two broken mirrors worth of bad luck)..

Number of times each team finished in the BOTTOM three for penalty differentials 2008-2021 (i.e. gave away more penalties than they received):

Brisbane 2
Canterbury 3
Canberra 2
Cronulla 0
Gold Coast 3
Manly 2
Melbourne 3
New Zealand 3
Newcastle 1
North Queensland 3
Parramatta 3
Penrith 2
Souffs 1
St George 0
Tigers 3
Roosters 11

So, over 14 years, teams have generally been in the bottom three about 2 or 3 times. But not the Roosters. This is what they call a "statistical outlier".

Next I looked at the number of times each team finished in the TOP three for penalty differentials 2008-2021 (i.e. received more penalties than they gave away):

Brisbane 3
Canterbury 1
Canberra 4
Cronulla 6
Gold Coast 1
Manly 1
Melbourne 1
New Zealand 1
Newcastle 1
North Queensland 3
Parramatta 4
Penrith 1
Souffs 6
St George 5
Tigers 2
Roosters 0

Again, over 14 years, every team has finished in the top three at least once, with saintly teams like Souffs, Cronulla and St George there in 5 or 6 years. But not the Roosters. In this period, we've never even come close to the top 3 - the best we ever got was 6th in 2016.

So getting back to Annesley's remarks, yes, statistically somebody's got to finish last, but what is it about the Roosters' penalty stats that makes them so different from everybody else?

Flipper Hands and myself did some spreadsheets back in the day. I think it must have been around 2015/6. He might still have them too. Thanks for taking the time to put that together too

[redwhiteblue]

Oh to be a golden child in a teacher's pet team.

They'll want a team with a very large supporter base to win the grand final in order to fill the coffers with all the merchandise they will buy afterwards. Imagine a Panthers or Parra win (not likely now though after last night..I shouldn't laugh but I did. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be happy to see Manly beat Parra) and the dollars spent afterwards. Meanwhile I made some new Roosters fans friends yesterday in my neighbourhood on my walk. Plenty were out and about yesterday very early after Friday night.

[ROC181]

An excerpt from a 2015 article from Rothfield:

"What we can reveal is that every week in preparing for games, the refs have as part of their preparation a session they call “around the grounds’’.
They sit around a room and discuss the different habits and idiosyncrasies of players.
While it is fantastic they are doing their homework, it could also lead to suggestions they are going into games each week with preconceived ideas.
For example, if say five Roosters players have been spoken about during “around the grounds’’ and only two Storm players, does that mean the Roosters will be watched more closely than the Storm?"
(https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...f466e293e76663)

Conveniently, the article is also about unfair penalty counts against the Roosters and serves to highlight why this perpetual bias against us exists. The referees already know what they're going to call before we even take the field

Good Pick Up there!

[Mickie Lane]

Good Pick Up there!

Alright then maybe there is some refs that police the Chooks a bit harder. Why would that be though , why would Sutton, Cummins, Klien dislike the Chooks?
Is it because as they have grown up & been around Rugby League they have not followed the Chooks & like most League supporters of other clubs they dont like the Chooks because of constant media BS that the Roosters cheat the cap?
If you were an NRL ref & you were refereeing Souths v Cronulla or the Titans v Melbourne who would you police harder?

[Mickie Lane]

They'll want a team with a very large supporter base to win the grand final in order to fill the coffers with all the merchandise they will buy afterwards. Imagine a Panthers or Parra win (not likely now though after last night..I shouldn't laugh but I did. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be happy to see Manly beat Parra) and the dollars spent afterwards. Meanwhile I made some new Roosters fans friends yesterday in my neighbourhood on my walk. Plenty were out and about yesterday very early after Friday night.

Of course any company would want that because of money but they dont go through with it. If Parra or Penrith win it happy days for the financial side of the NRL & it maybe tempting but they dont make sure it happens.

Whos your tip this year to win it RWB?

[redwhiteblue]

Of course any company would want that because of money but they dont go through with it. If Parra or Penrith win it happy days for the financial side of the NRL & it maybe tempting but they dont make sure it happens.

Whos your tip this year to win it RWB?

My crystal ball is busy at the race track these days Mickey.

Back at the beginning of 2016 I had tipped Cronulla for 2016, Manly for 2017 and Penrith for 2018 as sometimes I tip years in advance. So my 12 year streak ended with the Sharks..never did I ever think of a B2B for us. I had seen a green team at the beginning of 2019 and couldn't work out if was meant for Canberra or Souths. I mostly have my visions with colours or numbers.

My heart says Roosters and my head says for me to follow my heart...

[ROC181]

Alright then maybe there is some refs that police the Chooks a bit harder. Why would that be though , why would Sutton, Cummins, Klien dislike the Chooks?
Is it because as they have grown up & been around Rugby League they have not followed the Chooks & like most League supporters of other clubs they dont like the Chooks because of constant media BS that the Roosters cheat the cap?
If you were an NRL ref & you were refereeing Souths v Cronulla or the Titans v Melbourne who would you police harder?

Well as a psych major, not a major psycho, I have to accept that I cannot make a judgement on what Sutton, Cummins and all those other refs mindset is without a proper assessment so that’s that.

As for what I would do if I was an NRL ref and had to ref Souffs v Sharks, or the other game, if I was a new ref I would most likely be an idealist and would referee the game with the utmost integrity… But if I had been a ref for a long time and become consumed by the power, who knows if I was reffing every game and every team equally. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely! Refs like Sutton & Klein rarely have to be answerable for their stuff ups.

[Team Evil]

I have been fully behind Robbo and his hard line against milking penalties but the NRL don’t give a sh!t.
We need to come inline with the rest of the competition and play the professional football which means win at all cost.
Does any fan from other clubs really believe that our guys don’t take dives, no and they don’t care.
NRL don’t care either.
‘This is the main reason for the penalty differential. There is no conspiracy against the Roosters, that is just farcical. Maybe some unconscious bias against some players but that would be it.

[Spirit of 66]

I have been fully behind Robbo and his hard line against milking penalties but the NRL don’t give a sh!t.
We need to come inline with the rest of the competition and play the professional football which means win at all cost.
Does any fan from other clubs really believe that our guys don’t take dives, no and they don’t care.
NRL don’t care either.
‘This is the main reason for the penalty differential. There is no conspiracy against the Roosters, that is just farcical. Maybe some unconscious bias against some players but that would be it.

Agreed. And judging from the data, the players in question are the ones who have a Roosters logo on their jersey.

[TheLoneRooster]

Agreed. And judging from the data, the players in question are the ones who have a Roosters logo on their jersey.

Bingo. Across two decades, different players, different coaches, yet the same pattern persists. Your line of thinking is sensible Team Evil and goes a little way towards explaining the differential.

[BallyChook]

Did Annersley at his Monday press conference address the non sin-binning for the stripping tackle on Teddy? That decision was dead set atrocious and needed to be explained. However that injustice seems to have just floated away given the circumstances in which the match finished, the narrative being the Broncos were robbed.

[TheLoneRooster]

Oh to be a golden child in a teacher's pet team.

I'd think I was living in a parallel universe if any Roosters player in a Roosters team was either of those.

One other thing I meant to say in my post above (#192) is that not laying down for penalties is a Robbo-driven value. I don't recall it being something for which the previous coaches were known.

[TheLoneRooster]

Did Annersley at his Monday press conference address the non sin-binning for the stripping tackle on Teddy? That decision was dead set atrocious and needed to be explained. However that injustice seems to have just floated away given the circumstances in which the match finished, the narrative being the Broncos were robbed.

I checked and annusley didn't mention it, didn't allude to it, nothing. It was as though it never happened. Nothing to see here as usual.