Uncle Nick Goes BANG!

[Andrew Walker]

95 + 12 = 107. no one in icu is fully vaccinated. sounds to me like the vaccine works

Then you or anyone else should not be concerned about those whom are unvaccinated.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

I wonder if you can ask to be infected by the virus?

Maybe the people who just think it’s a cold can handle it and will save them having to worry about getting the jab for now. Just get your papers stamped that you’ve had it and then free to go where the vaccinated will be in the future.

I think you might find a lot have had it and just thought it was a cold. Should provide some immunity at least moving forward.

[roostermcgregor]

The whole point about this thread is that there are two points of opinion here - and I can see the merits and downside of both arguments.
The pro vaxers want us all to get the jab so we can return to a "normal " life and not be a burden on the hospital system.
Sure , I understand that- I want normality in my life again as well.
However, a few in this thread - Andrew Walker, Rocky Rhodes, Barryd, Nicola Tesla, and myself have offered a different view - we are more cautious about this vaccine, and how it will affect you long term.
The long term effects are not known - we won't know that until some time in the future - when time passes, and the results and effects of the vaccine, on people's bodies, are known..
For those who have had the jab and feel fine - good luck to you.
I hope your remaining days on this earth are full of good health, and I sincerely hope you are right and that the jab is the best way forward for all of us.
But if I want to sit on the fence for the time being, and wait till I see how this plays out, don't go shoving your hypocritical and uninformed opinions down my throat.
The only time you are going to know that the vaccine is the best way forward is most likely in a few years time - Fact / Period.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Once you have all the information in front of you, its easy to say what is right/ wrong.
We are all playing russian roulette with our health - for people like me , I might get covid and end up in hospital, but then again, I am in pretty good physical shape , and would like to think I can put up a reasonable fight if I get it.
But I am putting the gun with the one loaded chamber up to my head.
For those that have taken the vaccine, you have also put the loaded gun up to your head and fired it. Only trouble is you have fired the chamber, and you don't know if the thing has gone off or not.
That's your prerogative.
But farking around with your health is something you don't want to do - your health is the ONLY thing that is important in this life , and without it , you won't be happy.

For those who think I am anti vax (and the others noted above) we are NOT against it.
We are basically saying we are happy to get the jab, once we know the real outcomes- if it is entirely safe, I' ( and I am sure the others) will be the next ones lining up with our sleeves rolled up to get the jab.
But for those who are trying to force their uninformed opinions on us , and "think" you know it all , at this early stage, you are delusional - go take a hike.

[74 Rooster]

The State govt, via the SCG Sports Ground Trust owns the ground.
Surely it has a legal obligation to provide a safe environment for patrons attending fixtures at its grounds.
If it doesn't, can it and individual board members be sued by anyone contracting Covid Delta while at matches?

. All players must be vaccinated...so too all bar staff, catering staff, kiosk staff, Police officers, Trust staff, cleaning contractors, security staff, all staff of clubs, entertainers, fireworks people...every single person who enters the grounds.
All roads lead to lawyers.

8 months til March....maybe give trials a miss.

Bondi Boy,

the vaccinated can still get it and also pass it on. Going to the new SFS to watch the mighty roosters will not provide a safer environment.
look overseas to places like Israel; the vaccinated are the majority in hospital.

[Andrew Walker]

I think you might find a lot have had it and just thought it was a cold. Should provide some immunity at least moving forward.

100 percent. We are also told some have it and they dont even know they have it as they have NO symptons.

[74 Rooster]

Yep calling everybody a Nazi for following mainstream health advice and then backing off to say 'actually I'm just being condemned for expressing my opinion' is excellent framing/trickery. However, we all see what's you're trying to do here... you're not the voice of reason, mate

Oh and just confirming... nobody's banned either of you or deleted your posts. You've now flooded this thread with noise and will continue to do so.

FWIW I'm fully vaccinated and I don't think the water's muddy at all. It was simple (painless - no symptoms afterwards), I'm blessed to have had relatively early access and it's what's needed in order for us to return to normal. The only thing we don't know is the long-term impacts of COVID. I hope none of us have to experience them.

ISM22,

we don't know the long term effects of these vaccines either. they should have been tested for at least 2 years

[74 Rooster]

It stops you from getting seriously sick and being a burden on the hospital system . Just about all that end up in ICU are unvaccinated.
Now you know

Mate the vaccinated may end up being a burden on our hospital system in 2 or 3 yrs time

[zac]

Then you or anyone else should not be concerned about those whom are unvaccinated.

when you're vaccinated you're not going to die from it so my main concern atm is not getting it so i pass it onto someone who isn't vaccinated and not getting it so i don't have to go into quarantine.

there's not much i can do if people don't get vaccinated but i hope they do cos it means we'll get out of lockdown sooner and there will be less death amongst the unvaccinated a small minority of who can't.
but sure, i can't hold other people's hands so there will come a time when they'll have to live with their choice but i hope they see the light and get the jab

[74 Rooster]

Dr Chant said 95 of the 107 people in ICU were not vaccinated and 12 had received one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.

The reason that mostly the unvaccinated are in hospital is because as a country Australia up till now has lagged the vaccination rates of other countries. look at the experience overseas. in the next month or so you will see more and more vaccinated Aussies in hospital !

[74 Rooster]

!00% correct. I am now vaccinated and protected. Had I got this Wuhan flu I'd be dead, as I have an underlying health problem. A very happy person now.

Kramer, it is good that you are vaccinated, seeing as you have an underlying condition; you have done the right thing for yourself. But please be aware that you are not completely protected. These vaccines are only about 50-60
% effective against covid; sorry not trying to scare you, but you should know. You can still get covid. Talk to your doctor mate.

[Rooster1908]

Then you or anyone else should not be concerned about those whom are unvaccinated.

Of course we should
No matter what you think or say I for one care about you and others and do not want to see thousands of unnecessary deaths .

[Andrew Walker]

The reason that mostly the unvaccinated are in hospital is because as a country Australia up till now has lagged the vaccination rates of other countries. look at the experience overseas. in the next month or so you will see more and more vaccinated Aussies in hospital !

Obviously the come back to that will be. That is because we have a high vaccination rate.

[zac]

The reason that mostly the unvaccinated are in hospital is because as a country Australia up till now has lagged the vaccination rates of other countries. look at the experience overseas. in the next month or so you will see more and more vaccinated Aussies in hospital !

with about 1/5 to 1/3 of new south wales fully vaccinated you'd expect 1/5 to 1/3 of icu beds to be taken up by the fully vaccinated. more if you think the vaccine makes things worse. that hasn't happened - the vaccine works.

with about a further third of new south wales having had one dose you'd expect about a third of icu beds to be taken up by people with one dose but 12 out of 107 is one in 8. one jab is better than nothing.

[Waerea-Beast!]

The reason that mostly the unvaccinated are in hospital is because as a country Australia up till now has lagged the vaccination rates of other countries. look at the experience overseas. in the next month or so you will see more and more vaccinated Aussies in hospital !

If you're referring to Israeli raw data, it's quite misleading. 85% of unvaccinated people in Israel are younger and therefore less likely to end up in hospital.

If you want the actual picture, you need to compare vaccination status within age brackets and those that are unvaccinated are ending up hospitalised with severe illness in EVERY age bracket over 30, we're talking about multiples, not small differences.

Is everybody fully protected? No.

Will some people still die? Yes.

Are the vaccines making a positive difference? DEFINITELY.

[Rooster1908]

Mate the vaccinated may end up being a burden on our hospital system in 2 or 3 yrs time

That may well be true but we are talking about the present and how to move forward and get out of lockdown.No one knows the future and I haven't seen anything to suggest different.Its a choice but unless the majority make the vaccine choice then we are stuck on the same merry go round