Uncle Nick Goes BANG!

[Johnny Tobin]

Here he goes Self righteous Tobin on the attack. Your comment was wrong and I knew it to start. Plenty of evidence and professionals back this. Your comment re tax paying dollars forgot that others who hold a differing view also pay taxes for roads hospitals education and the like My comment on you being one to dob in Anne Frank to save your own skin is bang on the money.

Also not a surprise. Aren't you a rebel.

[Johnny Tobin]

Increased protection is a bi-product, it's just not the main purpose. At the end of the day, those who are vaccinated are doing their part for society. Keeping hospital admissions and deaths down.

And getting the vax rate up so we can go back to normalcy, or as much as possible.

[Johnny Tobin]

I totally agree....that is the main use for the vaccine, but at every press conferences the premier keeps saying that you need to get vaccinated to protect your loved ones! Alan Joyce and many others......keep saying the same thing!!! No, they need to get vaccinated to protect themselves and to not clog the hospitlas!!!

Someone also said that my opening was misleading...it is not at all! Vaccinated are as likely to get the virus and transmit at the same level as non vaccinated...they believe they may be infectious for a shorter time!

This comes from the CDC itself.

But everything is evolving with knowledge and the the virus itself! So it will probably change again!

So as I said, if its about to clogging up hospitals ONLY, then I want fat people and smokers to also not clog up hospitals!

Nobody should be forced to do anything they do not want to to their own bodies! This goes for womans reproductive rights also!

They should when they put others at harm. Public health trumps sign-waving idiots.

[player 1]

Someone also said that my opening was misleading...it is not at all! Vaccinated are as likely to get the virus and transmit at the same level as non vaccinated...they believe they may be infectious for a shorter time!

This comes from the CDC itself.

Hi Nicola, you have misread what the CDC said, I reproduce the relevant text below. You have only read the second part, which states that vaccinated people who do get breakthrough infections are just as infectious as unvaccinated infected people, although probably for a shorter time.

The first part clearly states vaccinated people ARE LESS likely to be infected.

• Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: Although breakthrough infections happen much less often than infections in unvaccinated people, individuals infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit it to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit. However, the greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to contract, and therefore transmit the virus.
• Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.

[rented tracksuit]

Can you streetfight if you are unvaccinated? Walker faces a murky future

Rules

• 1st rule: You do not talk about Fight Club.
• 2nd rule: You do not talk about Fight Club.
• 3rd rule: If someone yells "Stop!", goes limp, taps out, the fight is over. (Added in the movie)
• 4th rule: Only two guys to a fight.
• 5th rule: One fight at a time.
• 6th rule: No shirts, no shoes.
• 7th rule: Fights will go on as long as they have to.
• 8th rule: If this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight.
• 9th rule: You can only fight if you are fully vaccinated.

[player 1]

But to be clear Nicola, yes I agree the lower rate of infection and infectivity of the vaccinated is an added bonus to the main benefit, namely much lower rates of severe illness, hospitalisation, death and hospital burden.

[rented tracksuit]

Also not a surprise. Aren't you a rebel.

Tin hat wearing rebel.

I actually think Mr Walker probably has his vaccination and is only carrying on as an act. I’ve got more faith in him and surely no one could be that silly to argue the points he does.

[mightyrooster]

No, we're not nazis. There's no ethnic cleansing. There's literally a vocal minority of people who are exercising their right to refuse a vaccine and have a rant about how they think mainstream science is a load of cr@p (while calling people nazis for agreeing with mainstream science).

It's more like banning smoking at venues. You CHOOSE to smoke, just like you CHOOSE to not get vaccinated. Nobody will send you to the gulag for either decision (in fact, anti-vaxxers are VERY loud for a small, minority group of tinhats who reject mainstream science and sprout conspiracies - the curse of democracy is that everybody gets a say). However, the broader population doesn't have to bow down to the personal decisions of such persons while watching the footy.

Sigh... Godwin's law, I suppose (see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law). I'm pretty sure there's a saying along the lines of 'you know you've lost the argument when you start calling people Nazis'. If not, let's call it Jizzy's law

Nice retort.

[Nicola Tesla]

Hi Nicola, you have misread what the CDC said, I reproduce the relevant text below. You have only read the second part, which states that vaccinated people who do get breakthrough infections are just as infectious as unvaccinated infected people, although probably for a shorter time.

The first part clearly states vaccinated people ARE LESS likely to be infected.

• Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: Although breakthrough infections happen much less often than infections in unvaccinated people, individuals infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit it to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit. However, the greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to contract, and therefore transmit the virus.
• Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.

I agree...but as I say, lets just wait and see as everything continues to unfold! I guess the greater number vaccinated will allow us all to get better data! Just do it...although I am reluctant with kids.. we really don't know much about long term issues with the mRNA vaccine as it's never been used in humans until now...we are the experiment! Hopefully it's all good!

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Calling someome a nazi is a clear sign of losing an argument.

Dont we all just want to do our part so we can return to normal? Im currently taking my annual summer leave and for the second year in a row I am stuck with nowhere to go. I dont expect things to be open by Christmas either. That will make 3 in a row. Personally, I consider myself lucky. It has not hit me financially and I dont have any visa concerns. Many are not so fortunate.

[Cyril Snodgrass III]

Well done Mr Politis......

his decisive action is what leadership is all about

Now that Easts have taken this step,hopefully the NRL and all other clubs will follow suit

[King Salvo]

Fair question. I'm no expert in this area of law (i.e. know nothing about it) but would assume something like:

- The club can make whatever rules it wants. However, from a practical perspective it wouldn't wanna be doing so in conflict with the NRL. I dare say the NRL woulda canvassed Nick before he published this (he never goes public) and he's volunteered to be the face behind it so that the NRL's god support when it announces it later on. That's just a matter of setting a house rule but I reckon it can do so without barriers.

- Is legislation needed? Experts in constitutional law are saying [paraphrased] 'probably not' (see https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...work/100350778). Some MP (dunno who - can search it if you care enough) keeps introducing a 'no domestic COVID vaccine passports bill' (and failing). Could be wrong but I reckon this (rather than assertions that there will be a constitutional challenge) indicates that people within the 4 walls of parliament have received advice that government already has the power to implement a vaccine pass.

- I'd say Nick knows enough people in the NRL, business & state/federal government that he's consulted widely before speaking up. IMO he'd be saying what others are thinking.

It would have to be legislated for one would say as currently vaccinations are voluntary for most Australians - The Australian Government has made it mandatory for some professions i.e aged care workers for instance and some state government for all health care workers.

There are Federal/State and Territorial discrimination acts which would make it very difficult to legislate for mandatory vaccinations requirements in basically any setting though other than ones where it has been made mandatory.

An Employer couldn't terminate or stand down an Employee for being unvaccinated nor one would say a venue whether a club/pub/museum/sporting ground hirer etc could ban unvaccinated people from attending or stop people from boarding a bus or train because they are unvaccinated either.

Countries maybe able to ban unvaccinated tourists from entering their country but even that could be challenged under various Human Rights conventions - freedom of movement and association and religious beliefs etc.

Imagine if they said to the Afghan folk fleeing the Taliban - sorry you can't enter our country your not vaccinated.

[The Brain]

Unc Nick is Greek and I am telling you do not believe him he vaccinated with olive oil garlic mixture ..grandmas Katherian recipe

[Bruce Pickett]

100% behind Uncle Nick.
He is the best.

[Moose]

You like most others forget that those others who may end up in hospital. Also contribute tax paying dollars not just you. There is contrary evidence to say not true what
you say to start

You sound like the type who would have dobbed in those who hid Anne Frank to save your own skin

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...V-2-delta.aspx

The article literally says this garbage site posts studies that aren't peer reviewed and shouldn't be treated as established information.

They know they're publishing bullshit and are covering themselves legally