Uncle Nick Goes BANG!

[zac]

anthony fauci says that he's never heard of a vaccine that has bad effects down the track. i'm happy to believe the experts

[Rooster1908]

The whole point about this thread is that there are two points of opinion here - and I can see the merits and downside of both arguments.
The pro vaxers want us all to get the jab so we can return to a "normal " life and not be a burden on the hospital system.
Sure , I understand that- I want normality in my life again as well.
However, a few in this thread - Andrew Walker, Rocky Rhodes, Barryd, Nicola Tesla, and myself have offered a different view - we are more cautious about this vaccine, and how it will affect you long term.
The long term effects are not known - we won't know that until some time in the future - when time passes, and the results and effects of the vaccine, on people's bodies, are known..
For those who have had the jab and feel fine - good luck to you.
I hope your remaining days on this earth are full of good health, and I sincerely hope you are right and that the jab is the best way forward for all of us.
But if I want to sit on the fence for the time being, and wait till I see how this plays out, don't go shoving your hypocritical and uninformed opinions down my throat.
The only time you are going to know that the vaccine is the best way forward is most likely in a few years time - Fact / Period.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Once you have all the information in front of you, its easy to say what is right/ wrong.
We are all playing russian roulette with our health - for people like me , I might get covid and end up in hospital, but then again, I am in pretty good physical shape , and would like to think I can put up a reasonable fight if I get it.
But I am putting the gun with the one loaded chamber up to my head.
For those that have taken the vaccine, you have also put the loaded gun up to your head and fired it. Only trouble is you have fired the chamber, and you don't know if the thing has gone off or not.
That's your prerogative.
But farking around with your health is something you don't want to do - your health is the ONLY thing that is important in this life , and without it , you won't be happy.

For those who think I am anti vax (and the others noted above) we are NOT against it.
We are basically saying we are happy to get the jab, once we know the real outcomes- if it is entirely safe, I' ( and I am sure the others) will be the next ones lining up with our sleeves rolled up to get the jab.
But for those who are trying to force their uninformed opinions on us , and "think" you know it all , at this early stage, you are delusional - go take a hike.

Do you not see that it's the same from our side of the fence.How is your opinion anymore confirmed and not hyperthetical but many who have the same beliefs as you are shoving them down our throats.Dam some of them are marching in the streets and extending the lockdown they protest against.

[74 Rooster]

Guys,

Even if everybody got vaccinated ( 100%) we would all meet covid eventually. The current vaccines are only about 50-60% effective. Everybody can pass on covid. There is no point in trying to divide the community. Whoever thinks that going to only vaccinated Easts games is gonna be safe is not informed. This is a fact, no BS. The club (yes Nick included) are wrong on this issue.

[Rooster1908]

Guys,

Even if everybody got vaccinated ( 100%) we would all meet covid eventually. The current vaccines are only about 50-60% effective. Everybody can pass on covid. There is no point in trying to divide the community. Whoever thinks that going to only vaccinated Easts games is gonna be safe is not informed. This is a fact, no BS. The club (yes Nick included) are wrong on this issue.

Agree with you but also fact the vaccinated do not get as sick, do not end up in ICU as often .Fact until a high percentage get vaccinated we do not get out of lockdown.It doesn't matter what you , me or Nick think .These are the facts that those who ARE making the decisions go by .

[Waerea-Beast!]

Guys,

Even if everybody got vaccinated ( 100%) we would all meet covid eventually. The current vaccines are only about 50-60% effective. Everybody can pass on covid. There is no point in trying to divide the community. Whoever thinks that going to only vaccinated Easts games is gonna be safe is not informed. This is a fact, no BS. The club (yes Nick included) are wrong on this issue.

50 - 60% is better than 0. It also completely ignores the primary goal of the vaccine... TO STOP SERIOUS ILLNESS.

The community is already diving by you fringe dunning kruger effect quacks. You're not willing to do your bit for society, that's your choice. But your choice should and will come with consequences.

[rented tracksuit]

Mate the vaccinated may end up being a burden on our hospital system in 2 or 3 yrs time

Yep, and I MAY win lotto one day as well.

Science trumps your crystal ball or $5 gypsy fortune my friend.

Risking the the lives of millions on a MAY is very irresponsible.

[rented tracksuit]

when you're vaccinated you're not going to die from it so my main concern atm is not getting it so i pass it onto someone who isn't vaccinated and not getting it so i don't have to go into quarantine.

there's not much i can do if people don't get vaccinated but i hope they do cos it means we'll get out of lockdown sooner and there will be less death amongst the unvaccinated a small minority of who can't.
but sure, i can't hold other people's hands so there will come a time when they'll have to live with their choice but i hope they see the light and get the jab

according to 74, we should be waiting 2 years to see it’s long term effects in testing so I guess they wouldn’t complain about being confined to their home for the next 2 years then! Vaccination is the key to limiting/ending lockdowns.

[zac]

according to 74, we should be waiting 2 years to see it’s long term effects in testing so I guess they wouldn’t complain about being confined to their home for the next 2 years then! Vaccination is the key to limiting/ending lockdowns.

nailed it larry

[rented tracksuit]

Obviously the come back to that will be. That is because we have a high vaccination rate.

Making up crap before anything everything even happens now? Mate, you have lost the plot.

[Rooster1908]

The reason that mostly the unvaccinated are in hospital is because as a country Australia up till now has lagged the vaccination rates of other countries. look at the experience overseas. in the next month or so you will see more and more vaccinated Aussies in hospital !

That's a long bow Robin Hood

[barryd]

It doesn’t, simple.

But those who can are limiting It’s spread to those who can’t.

But my original point was the vaccine does not stop you from getting COVID or from spreading it. I don’t see how the spread is limited if you can still get it.
But anyway , I am getting my first jab Friday so I should be right to go for round 1 next year.

[Random Rooster]

Do you not see that it's the same from our side of the fence.How is your opinion anymore confirmed and not hyperthetical but many who have the same beliefs as you are shoving them down our throats.Dam some of them are marching in the streets and extending the lockdown they protest against.

Im not shoving my opinion down anyone's throat.....im just replying to Blue Suede Schuberts question to why i think "The Concerned Lawyers" clan are full of BS.

As i said i don't care if someone gets vaccinated or not. I don't even agree with allowing certain freedoms to vaccinated people. The UK has shown the way & has opened up with no restrictions & its been successful because of their high vaccination rates. Its never going to be zero cases with zero deaths.....but we need to open again & end lockdowns

What i push back on is the anti vaccinated brigade using rubbish propaganda conspiracy theories why they have chosen not take it. The same people ( not all!!) who tell you they wont get the jab because you don't know the long term effects will still predict your future death from being vaccinated. Go figure

[Rooster1908]

Im not shoving my opinion down anyone's throat.....im just replying to Blue Suede Schuberts question to why i think "The Concerned Lawyers" clan are full of BS.

As i said i don't care if someone gets vaccinated or not. I don't even agree with allowing certain freedoms to vaccinated people. The UK has shown the way & has opened up with no restrictions & its been successful because of their high vaccination rates. Its never going to be zero cases with zero deaths.....but we need to open again & end lockdowns

What i push back on is the anti vaccinated brigade using rubbish propaganda conspiracy theories why they have chosen not take it. The same people ( not all!!) who tell you they wont get the jab because you don't know the long term effects will still predict your future death from being vaccinated. Go figure

Please read again, I didn't say you were , I said many from your side of the fence .Did not indicate you.

[barryd]

The whole point about this thread is that there are two points of opinion here - and I can see the merits and downside of both arguments.
The pro vaxers want us all to get the jab so we can return to a "normal " life and not be a burden on the hospital system.
Sure , I understand that- I want normality in my life again as well.
However, a few in this thread - Andrew Walker, Rocky Rhodes, Barryd, Nicola Tesla, and myself have offered a different view - we are more cautious about this vaccine, and how it will affect you long term.
The long term effects are not known - we won't know that until some time in the future - when time passes, and the results and effects of the vaccine, on people's bodies, are known..
For those who have had the jab and feel fine - good luck to you.
I hope your remaining days on this earth are full of good health, and I sincerely hope you are right and that the jab is the best way forward for all of us.
But if I want to sit on the fence for the time being, and wait till I see how this plays out, don't go shoving your hypocritical and uninformed opinions down my throat.
The only time you are going to know that the vaccine is the best way forward is most likely in a few years time - Fact / Period.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Once you have all the information in front of you, its easy to say what is right/ wrong.
We are all playing russian roulette with our health - for people like me , I might get covid and end up in hospital, but then again, I am in pretty good physical shape , and would like to think I can put up a reasonable fight if I get it.
But I am putting the gun with the one loaded chamber up to my head.
For those that have taken the vaccine, you have also put the loaded gun up to your head and fired it. Only trouble is you have fired the chamber, and you don't know if the thing has gone off or not.
That's your prerogative.
But farking around with your health is something you don't want to do - your health is the ONLY thing that is important in this life , and without it , you won't be happy.

For those who think I am anti vax (and the others noted above) we are NOT against it.
We are basically saying we are happy to get the jab, once we know the real outcomes- if it is entirely safe, I' ( and I am sure the others) will be the next ones lining up with our sleeves rolled up to get the jab.
But for those who are trying to force their uninformed opinions on us , and "think" you know it all , at this early stage, you are delusional - go take a hike.

Very well said. I am getting vaccinated but not because I want to but it feels like it is our only way forward.

[Random Rooster]

BS....that would make them liable, and in no way would they allow that. And how would a US company's decision effect the classification of drugs made or imported here?

Enjoy the fairytales...

Don't shoot the messenger buddy. The US Food and Drug Administration ( they aren't a US company!) granted full approval to the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older.....its a fact.