Uncle Nick Goes BANG!

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=roostermcgregor;n899914]The whole point about this thread is that there are two points of opinion here - and I can see the merits and downside of both arguments.
The pro vaxers want us all to get the jab so we can return to a "normal " life and not be a burden on the hospital system.
Sure , I understand that- I want normality in my life again as well.
However, a few in this thread - Andrew Walker, Rocky Rhodes, Barryd, Nicola Tesla, and myself have offered a different view - we are more cautious about this vaccine, and how it will affect you long term.
The long term effects are not known - we won't know that until some time in the future - when time passes, and the results and effects of the vaccine, on people's bodies, are known..
For those who have had the jab and feel fine - good luck to you.
I hope your remaining days on this earth are full of good health, and I sincerely hope you are right and that the jab is the best way forward for all of us.
But if I want to sit on the fence for the time being, and wait till I see how this plays out, don't go shoving your hypocritical and uninformed opinions down my throat.
The only time you are going to know that the vaccine is the best way forward is most likely in a few years time - Fact / Period.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Once you have all the information in front of you, its easy to say what is right/ wrong.
We are all playing russian roulette with our health - for people like me , I might get covid and end up in hospital, but then again, I am in pretty good physical shape , and would like to think I can put up a reasonable fight if I get it.
But I am putting the gun with the one loaded chamber up to my head.
For those that have taken the vaccine, you have also put the loaded gun up to your head and fired it. Only trouble is you have fired the chamber, and you don't know if the thing has gone off or not.
That's your prerogative.
But farking around with your health is something you don't want to do - your health is the ONLY thing that is important in this life , and without it , you won't be happy.

For those who think I am anti vax (and the others noted above) we are NOT against it.
We are basically saying we are happy to get the jab, once we know the real outcomes- if it is entirely safe, I' ( and I am sure the others) will be the next ones lining up with our sleeves rolled up to get the jab.
But for those who are trying to force their uninformed opinions on us , and "think" you know it all , at this early stage, you are delusional - go take a hike.[/QUOTE

Because we all know the long term effects of covid right? Personally I’m more worried about that crap causing permanent damage to my lungs. It’s NOT the flu or a cold. It’s a respiratory illness which attacks the lungs. There is a difference.

[Cockadoodledoo]

Because we all know the long term effects of covid right? Personally I’m more worried about that crap causing permanent damage to my lungs. It’s NOT the flu or a cold. It’s a respiratory illness which attacks the lungs. There is a difference.

When the country re-opens fully, the experimental group won't be those who took the vaccine, it will be the unvaccinated.

[74 Rooster]

with about 1/5 to 1/3 of new south wales fully vaccinated you'd expect 1/5 to 1/3 of icu beds to be taken up by the fully vaccinated. more if you think the vaccine makes things worse. that hasn't happened - the vaccine works.

with about a further third of new south wales having had one dose you'd expect about a third of icu beds to be taken up by people with one dose but 12 out of 107 is one in 8. one jab is better than nothing.

Mate,
Up until a few weeks ago our rates of vaccination were low. it takes time to filter through the system, you will see more vaccinated in hospital very soon.

[74 Rooster]

If you're referring to Israeli raw data, it's quite misleading. 85% of unvaccinated people in Israel are younger and therefore less likely to end up in hospital.

If you want the actual picture, you need to compare vaccination status within age brackets and those that are unvaccinated are ending up hospitalised with severe illness in EVERY age bracket over 30, we're talking about multiples, not small differences.

Is everybody fully protected? No.

Will some people still die? Yes.

Are the vaccines making a positive difference? DEFINITELY.

Most of the hospitalized in Israel are vaccinated.

[bondi.boy]

Agree with you but also fact the vaccinated do not get as sick, do not end up in ICU as often .Fact until a high percentage get vaccinated we do not get out of lockdown.It doesn't matter what you , me or Nick think .These are the facts that those who ARE making the decisions go by .

Indeed.
6 million people in nsw now vaccinated with at least on jab. With two jabs in a few weeks time.
8 million population in nsw.
By March most of them will likely have had a 3rd jab booster.

A vaccinated-only match crowd is the best protection for those attending.
Vaccinated, wearing masks, and social distancing.
The chances of catching Covid at those games would be minimal.
If young children have to stay away until fully vaccinated, then so be it.

[SamKerrSimp]

Here's hoping the unvaccinated have to pay a higher rate of tax to make up for the financial burden they will be on society although I doubt there's much money to be found in their pocket anyway

[74 Rooster]

50 - 60% is better than 0. It also completely ignores the primary goal of the vaccine... TO STOP SERIOUS ILLNESS.

The community is already diving by you fringe dunning kruger effect quacks. You're not willing to do your bit for society, that's your choice. But your choice should and will come with consequences.

Mate by doing so everybody that is getting vaccinated is taking a chance that there will be no adverse reactions to vaccinations; who knows what will show up in 1 , 2 yrs time ? , hopefully nothing but you don't know.

These vaccines are the very first being delivered thru new technology in humans.
Already they have been shown to be "leaky" , instead of staying in the deltoid, they have been shown to go to the ovaries, testes, brain etc !
They were not properly tested.
What should have happened is that we should have done what Sweden did-, let it rip, only vaccinate the highest risk !
2% of infected end up dieing and most of those are over 70 and or have other issues.

[74 Rooster]

Yep, and I MAY win lotto one day as well.

Science trumps your crystal ball or $5 gypsy fortune my friend.

Risking the the lives of millions on a MAY is very irresponsible.

That's true it " May" , but you know the odds are in my favour not yours . i am talking science. you are the one taking the bigger risk.
The best possible outcome is NATURAL IMMUNITY !, hands down.
that's what everybody that is healthy should be doing, no vaccine is needed for most people. If you are high risk, then by all means get vaccinated.

[74 Rooster]

according to 74, we should be waiting 2 years to see it’s long term effects in testing so I guess they wouldn’t complain about being confined to their home for the next 2 years then! Vaccination is the key to limiting/ending lockdowns.

Mate don't blame guys like me, blame the gov'ts of Aust. We should have done it the way Sweden is doing it

[74 Rooster]

That's a long bow Robin Hood

Have a look at what is happening in Iceland, Israel, The Seychelles, all are super vaccinated and the hospitalized are mostly vaccinated.

[74 Rooster]

When the country re-opens fully, the experimental group won't be those who took the vaccine, it will be the unvaccinated.

What you say is actually not true. the unvaccinated should expect a predictable outcome; it's the vaccinated who are in an experiment, and which is uncertain. I hope we are ALL OK.
But people like me have rights too. Trying to weed us out of going to the games is complete F***** BS

[Roostermania]

The whole point about this thread is that there are two points of opinion here - and I can see the merits and downside of both arguments.
The pro vaxers want us all to get the jab so we can return to a "normal " life and not be a burden on the hospital system.
Sure , I understand that- I want normality in my life again as well.
However, a few in this thread - Andrew Walker, Rocky Rhodes, Barryd, Nicola Tesla, and myself have offered a different view - we are more cautious about this vaccine, and how it will affect you long term.
The long term effects are not known - we won't know that until some time in the future - when time passes, and the results and effects of the vaccine, on people's bodies, are known..
For those who have had the jab and feel fine - good luck to you.
I hope your remaining days on this earth are full of good health, and I sincerely hope you are right and that the jab is the best way forward for all of us.
But if I want to sit on the fence for the time being, and wait till I see how this plays out, don't go shoving your hypocritical and uninformed opinions down my throat.
The only time you are going to know that the vaccine is the best way forward is most likely in a few years time - Fact / Period.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Once you have all the information in front of you, its easy to say what is right/ wrong.
We are all playing russian roulette with our health - for people like me , I might get covid and end up in hospital, but then again, I am in pretty good physical shape , and would like to think I can put up a reasonable fight if I get it.
But I am putting the gun with the one loaded chamber up to my head.
For those that have taken the vaccine, you have also put the loaded gun up to your head and fired it. Only trouble is you have fired the chamber, and you don't know if the thing has gone off or not.
That's your prerogative.
But farking around with your health is something you don't want to do - your health is the ONLY thing that is important in this life , and without it , you won't be happy.

For those who think I am anti vax (and the others noted above) we are NOT against it.
We are basically saying we are happy to get the jab, once we know the real outcomes- if it is entirely safe, I' ( and I am sure the others) will be the next ones lining up with our sleeves rolled up to get the jab.
But for those who are trying to force their uninformed opinions on us , and "think" you know it all , at this early stage, you are delusional - go take a hike.

Well articulated Roostermcgregor, I'm not an antivaxer either I would rather wait for further safety reports on toxicity. People need to remember this is a stage 4 clinical trial involving the entire world population!!

[Kramer]

Kramer, it is good that you are vaccinated, seeing as you have an underlying condition; you have done the right thing for yourself. But please be aware that you are not completely protected. These vaccines are only about 50-60
% effective against covid; sorry not trying to scare you, but you should know. You can still get covid. Talk to your doctor mate.

Thanks, mate, I am aware of the possibilities. I speak to my doctor on an ongoing basis due to my health problems. I am looking at a booster shot later. I also stay away from large groups at the moment. I just want to be around for my family.

[Rooster1908]

Mate by doing so everybody that is getting vaccinated is taking a chance that there will be no adverse reactions to vaccinations; who knows what will show up in 1 , 2 yrs time ? , hopefully nothing but you don't know.

These vaccines are the very first being delivered thru new technology in humans.
Already they have been shown to be "leaky" , instead of staying in the deltoid, they have been shown to go to the ovaries, testes, brain etc !
They were not properly tested.
What should have happened is that we should have done what Sweden did-, let it rip, only vaccinate the highest risk !
2% of infected end up dieing and most of those are over 70 and or have other issues.

And if some of those 2 % were part of your family you would be happy . 50k Aussies

[Rooster1908]

Thanks, mate, I am aware of the possibilities. I speak to my doctor on an ongoing basis due to my health problems. I am looking at a booster shot later. I also stay away from large groups at the moment. I just want to be around for my family.

Hope it all goes well for you and I to am glad you can be vaccinated. I stay away from most people to. Mainly because I like animals more and they are trustworthy . Yep sad I know