We have the Best Recruitment / Retention in the Comp

[The Corner Post]

With the signing of Smith, I thought I'd start a discussion on recruitment / retention and the salary cap.

We've openly stated that we play for premierships.

We win premierships, therefore we can get players to sign and re-sign for less (hoping to win a premiership), leaving room in the cap for the best players to come to us (leading to more premierships). Examples include Teddy, Cronk, Smith, SBW, even the recent resigning of Manu.

This is a great position to be in and I'd say that we are in this tier with the Storm only.

Then you have the Panthers. Their strategy is clearly to develop talent, keep the best and move the rest on. This is a great strategy because eventually they could become a long term winning club, with the added benefit of also growing talent. Some clubs seem to be taking this same approach, just with less success, like the Warriors.

I thought about clubs like Souths, Eels, Manly, Raiders, Sharks, being in the same category as us but these clubs don't have the same attraction. They lose good players like Mahoney, Apisai Koroisau, Bateman or they back end their contracts like Souths did in 2014, or the Sharks, or they spend 80% of their cap on three players like Manly have.

Some clubs think they can attract players, however they haven't had the success in recent years and its showing. Probably because of the salary cap. This includes teams like the Broncos and Bulldogs. The arrogance of the Broncos to say they don't have rebuilding phases.

Then you have clubs like the Tigers, Cowboys, Dragons, Titans, Knights. They cant get a break when it comes to recruitment. They have to pay market price (or overs) for their players. Its a downward spiral. Then when a talented player comes along, they leave these clubs to play for the Roosters

Premiership Tier
- Roosters
- Storm

Development Tier
- Panthers

Hot and Cold Tier
- Souths
- Manly
- Eels
- Sharks
- Raiders

Future Development Tier
- Warriors

Cant Buy a Premiership Anymore Tier
- Broncos
- Bulldogs

Struggling Tier
- Tigers
- Cowboys
- Dragons
- Titans
- Knights

[Tennessee Tornado]

As much as I hate to say it ...... Souffs are in the 2nd tier. They generally keep the players they want and have good base of juniors coming through to cover losses.

Not quite in line with Roosters but not a long way off.

Sorry, I feel sick now.

[doves07]

With the signing of Smith, I thought I'd start a discussion on recruitment / retention and the salary cap.

We've openly stated that we play for premierships.

We win premierships, therefore we can get players to sign and re-sign for less (hoping to win a premiership), leaving room in the cap for the best players to come to us (leading to more premierships). Examples include Teddy, Cronk, Smith, SBW, even the recent resigning of Manu.

This is a great position to be in and I'd say that we are in this tier with the Storm only.

Then you have the Panthers. Their strategy is clearly to develop talent, keep the best and move the rest on. This is a great strategy because eventually they could become a long term winning club, with the added benefit of also growing talent. Some clubs seem to be taking this same approach, just with less success, like the Warriors.

I thought about clubs like Souths, Eels, Manly, Raiders, Sharks, being in the same category as us but these clubs don't have the same attraction. They lose good players like Mahoney, Apisai Koroisau, Bateman or they back end their contracts like Souths did in 2014, or the Sharks, or they spend 80% of their cap on three players like Manly have.

Some clubs think they can attract players, however they haven't had the success in recent years and its showing. Probably because of the salary cap. This includes teams like the Broncos and Bulldogs. The arrogance of the Broncos to say they don't have rebuilding phases.

Then you have clubs like the Tigers, Cowboys, Dragons, Titans, Knights. They cant get a break when it comes to recruitment. They have to pay market price (or overs) for their players. Its a downward spiral. Then when a talented player comes along, they leave these clubs to play for the Roosters

Premiership Tier
- Roosters
- Storm

Development Tier
- Panthers

Hot and Cold Tier
- Souths
- Manly
- Eels
- Sharks
- Raiders

Future Development Tier
- Warriors

Cant Buy a Premiership Anymore Tier
- Broncos
- Bulldogs

Struggling Tier
- Tigers
- Cowboys
- Dragons
- Titans
- Knights

Pretty spot on,our retention since trent started coaching, and the guidance of uncle nick has been a highlight, throw in a great buy every now and then , helps us know we are always a good chance to win a comp

[Johnny Brass]

You have to add young players to your squad who have grown up in the club's system. They are generally more loyal and willing to stay longer on lesser coin to be with their mates and achieve success together.
When we do buy Uncle Nick goes for the top shelf and he doesn't miss many once he sets his sights on them.
The storm have an outstanding recruitment program and have had remarkable success from those recruited from South Eastern Queensland, it will be interesting to see what sort of impact the inclusion of the Dolphins will have on that nursery.
Athletes are ultra competitive and want to win and it's only natural that they are drawn to clubs with the best coaching and chances of success.
Once a player is motivated by money only I've observed it's not usually the best outcome for their career.

[Thirteen]

I find it hard to believe that Cody Walker The Grub re-signed for only $600k. Surely Dolphins would have given him $900k minimum.

Great thread.

[Thirteen]

You have to add young players to your squad who have grown up in the club's system. They are generally more loyal and willing to stay longer on lesser coin to be with their mates and achieve success together.
When we do buy Uncle Nick goes for the top shelf and he doesn't miss many once he sets his sights on them.
The storm have an outstanding recruitment program and have had remarkable success from those recruited from South Eastern Queensland, it will be interesting to see what sort of impact the inclusion of the Dolphins will have on that nursery.
Athletes are ultra competitive and want to win and it's only natural that they are drawn to clubs with the best coaching and chances of success.
Once a player is motivated by money only I've observed it's not usually the best outcome for their career.

Peachey will be playing at the standard of WNRL this season.

[Serenader]

Great thread indeed! Gotta agree, the grubs are defo in group 2, but hopefully in the struggling tier in years to come!

[The Marshall]

With the signing of Smith, I thought I'd start a discussion on recruitment / retention and the salary cap.

We've openly stated that we play for premierships.

We win premierships, therefore we can get players to sign and re-sign for less (hoping to win a premiership), leaving room in the cap for the best players to come to us (leading to more premierships). Examples include Teddy, Cronk, Smith, SBW, even the recent resigning of Manu.

This is a great position to be in and I'd say that we are in this tier with the Storm only.

Then you have the Panthers. Their strategy is clearly to develop talent, keep the best and move the rest on. This is a great strategy because eventually they could become a long term winning club, with the added benefit of also growing talent. Some clubs seem to be taking this same approach, just with less success, like the Warriors.

I thought about clubs like Souths, Eels, Manly, Raiders, Sharks, being in the same category as us but these clubs don't have the same attraction. They lose good players like Mahoney, Apisai Koroisau, Bateman or they back end their contracts like Souths did in 2014, or the Sharks, or they spend 80% of their cap on three players like Manly have.

Some clubs think they can attract players, however they haven't had the success in recent years and its showing. Probably because of the salary cap. This includes teams like the Broncos and Bulldogs. The arrogance of the Broncos to say they don't have rebuilding phases.

Then you have clubs like the Tigers, Cowboys, Dragons, Titans, Knights. They cant get a break when it comes to recruitment. They have to pay market price (or overs) for their players. Its a downward spiral. Then when a talented player comes along, they leave these clubs to play for the Roosters

Premiership Tier
- Roosters
- Storm

Development Tier
- Panthers

Hot and Cold Tier
- Souths
- Manly
- Eels
- Sharks
- Raiders

Future Development Tier
- Warriors

Cant Buy a Premiership Anymore Tier
- Broncos
- Bulldogs

Struggling Tier
- Tigers
- Cowboys
- Dragons
- Titans
- Knights

The Broncos will end up back in the development tier

[Thirteen]

The Broncos will end up back in the development tier

Good to know they will now have to share the local talent with The Dolphins. It’s about time too.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Souths' junior base has always been a strength - its representation in their Final side was impressive - but as the working class demographic withers, that base will likewise shrink. It's difficult to identify an area in their domain which is distinctively working class nowadays, certainly not Redfern, Maroubra or even Larpa.
Penrith, on the other hand is now (in NSW at least) the major League nursery and Gould showed the way to manage and tap that reservoir most effectively. No doubt he will repeat that transformation at The Dogs.
Success has ended the Transit Lounge but for how long? How reliable and loyal are The Chooks' business backers? Packer walked, lifelong supporter reportedly. How long before Robbo is lured away by the bigger lolly?

[King Salvo]

Sharks would be in the development tier as they have strong focus on junior development - their nrl squad is chock full of local juniors.

The smokies are Parramatta/Wests Tigers and Broncos

Parramatta have turned their backs on development for some reason - Have a large Junior base which surely they need to develop and tap into.

Wests Tigers will eventually have more juniors than Penrith but suffer from the 3 factions effect- Being Balmain focused in being based at Conford/ Western Suburbs who own 90% of the JV moving the Western Suburbs NSW Cup and Ron Massey cup sides from Campbelltown back to Lidcombe Oval as Lidcombe and Ashfield is where the die hard Magpie fans are they say and the Macarthur Wests Tigers who are often ignored by the other two rival factions.

Teflon Tim Sheens has a big job on his hands to get the 3 factions working as one and on the same page.

Broncos- Have a squillion juniors on Scholarships but can't keep them at Red Hill - they will be under further pressure to retain their juniors when the Dolphins officially enter the League and become a more settled club

Knights ,Dragons and Cows have significant junior areas and should be doing a lot better in that department.

Chooks need to continue on the development pathway and have a permanent arrangement with both the Central Coast and North Sydney in developing the juniors in these areas under the Sydney Roosters pathways programs.- Can still play as Central Coast Roosters or North Sydney Bears.

Chooks are often called a recruitment club which is unfair as they are also a development club as well

It will be interesting to see if the NRL push for another Draft -either a full one - External and Internal or just an External Draft for junior players

Clubs can't sign players before they turn 18 i.e when junior players turn 18 they are placed on a NRL Draft - bottom team has first draft pick and so on - teams can swap draft picks and trade players for draft picks etc.

[Kelby]

With the signing of Smith, I thought I'd start a discussion on recruitment / retention and the salary cap.

We've openly stated that we play for premierships.

We win premierships, therefore we can get players to sign and re-sign for less (hoping to win a premiership), leaving room in the cap for the best players to come to us (leading to more premierships). Examples include Teddy, Cronk, Smith, SBW, even the recent resigning of Manu.

This is a great position to be in and I'd say that we are in this tier with the Storm only.

Then you have the Panthers. Their strategy is clearly to develop talent, keep the best and move the rest on. This is a great strategy because eventually they could become a long term winning club, with the added benefit of also growing talent. Some clubs seem to be taking this same approach, just with less success, like the Warriors.

I thought about clubs like Souths, Eels, Manly, Raiders, Sharks, being in the same category as us but these clubs don't have the same attraction. They lose good players like Mahoney, Apisai Koroisau, Bateman or they back end their contracts like Souths did in 2014, or the Sharks, or they spend 80% of their cap on three players like Manly have.

Some clubs think they can attract players, however they haven't had the success in recent years and its showing. Probably because of the salary cap. This includes teams like the Broncos and Bulldogs. The arrogance of the Broncos to say they don't have rebuilding phases.

Then you have clubs like the Tigers, Cowboys, Dragons, Titans, Knights. They cant get a break when it comes to recruitment. They have to pay market price (or overs) for their players. Its a downward spiral. Then when a talented player comes along, they leave these clubs to play for the Roosters

Premiership Tier
- Roosters
- Storm

Development Tier
- Panthers

Hot and Cold Tier
- Souths
- Manly
- Eels
- Sharks
- Raiders

Future Development Tier
- Warriors

Cant Buy a Premiership Anymore Tier
- Broncos
- Bulldogs

Struggling Tier
- Tigers
- Cowboys
- Dragons
- Titans
- Knights

Disagree with the bulldogs analysis. I think they have bought a winning side from 2023.
And with Gould there, the juniors will develop again.

[Easts75]

I think Parra have struggled massively in recent memory in this regard.
How they let their young 9 go is beyond me...he should have been a priority over Gutherson

[Billy Gunn]

I also think that the Brandon Smith podcast was tremendous value to our recruitment plans, you can't buy that type of advertising and it says to everyone we approach going forward that this is a great club and this club will always have my back. We should also get players at a discount too.

[Tennessee Tornado]

Disagree with the bulldogs analysis. I think they have bought a winning side from 2023.
And with Gould there, the juniors will develop again.

I honestly think if you don’t have a strong culture at the club no amount of recruitment will work.

You hear about it all the time, that everyone at the roosters from players, coaches and front staff buy into the culture and that’s what makes us so successful. It’s also what makes us a true destination club.

i don’t think the bulldogs have a good culture and with Gould there everyone will be looking over their shoulders