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    NRL 2022: Player salaries need to be made public in the simplest fix for the salary cap | Daily Telegraph

    Paul Kent
    How the big front-rower ever fared at maths in high school will always remain one of those unanswered questions, but he knew enough to know what the short end was.

    He was on the rise at the time, unlike now when his veteran status is fully stamped, but as the contract ended a rival coach put a deal to his manager that might suddenly have him looking at waterfront property.

    Sadly, after an appropriate pause, the manager hit the coach with the bad news.

    Thanks, he said, but he was staying where he was.

    Six or seven weeks later the two clubs were drawn to play each other and it just so happened before the game they bumped into each other in the grandstand where immediately the big front-rower apologised.

    In the end, he said, he just couldn’t bring himself to leave.

    The coach understood completely.

    “I just can’t believe you knocked back $700,000,” he said.

    What?

    The front-rower felt faint and had to be steadied by several small men. Did he hear right?

    No such figure was ever presented to him.

    There are 40 good reasons why salaries in the game should be made public, and this is only one in the big city.

    If convention allowed the rival club, in this case, to go public with its offer then it is certain the front-rower would have seen the figure published and rushed to his manager for a conversation.
    Some clubs are simply better at working the salary cap – but should player salaries be made public?
    In a game where clubs form alliances with managers, and managers stacking pockets of players at clubs to give them a worrying balance of power over future recruitment, published salaries would shine a light into the dark corners.

    In almost all cases it would save the club and the deserving player, in the name of fairness, although not necessarily the manager.

    All this is worth raising because the cap is in the news again. Earlier in the week Phil Rothfield and Brent Read published their real time tally of the salary cap and it was a flame to haystack. Fans were immediately in uproar at the disparity between teams.

    It didn’t matter it was all fair and above board.

    The truth is the figures revealed not so much a flaw in the salary cap as an indication of how well each club is run, in terms of cap management, and how well those players are coached.

    Good coaches will have a player performing close to his ability, the not so good won’t.

    Good clubs pay proper value, poor clubs don’t.

    This has been written before, this false economy in the NRL.
    Australian Rugby League Commission Chairman Peter V’landys. Picture: NRL Photos
    Every club works on the same salary cap but it is well known players will accept less to play at a successful club, with genuine premiership chances, than to accept the same offer at a poorer club.

    Battling clubs, trying to climb off the bottom, too often have to pay overs to draw players, which bends their cap out of shape and causes problems.

    The problem for the league is that the cap is so poorly understood by such a great majority that it causes an annual irritation in the game.

    Fans will complain about a club losing a player and signing another with little idea they might have just saved themselves significant cap space.

    In no other sport around the world is the cap the source of such derision and suspicion, to say nothing of ridicule, as it is in the NRL.

    And it damages the game.

    The great wins are treated with suspicion. The Roosters win because they play under the salary sombrero.
    The Sydney Roosters are arguably the best in the competition at managing the salary cap. Picture: Getty
    The efforts of the honest battlers are often under-appreciated.

    Revealing salaries would fix this. It would be a balm for the game.

    Particularly given no draft exists and teams have to endure the long haul out of premiership misery than the quicker route a draft would ensure.

    Generally, if there is a fast turn around in today’s game, there is often trickery afoot.

    Which would again support the public revelation of players salaries.

    In a sport where integrity is increasingly important, where the salary cap is an annual irritation for fans, public salaries are the only way to go.

    It is time the game grew up.

    The simple rebuttal from players and their union is salaries are a personal business, and how would you like your salary made public?
    Prime Minister – and Cronulla Sharks fan – Scott Morrison’s salary is public. Why can’t the same be said of NRL players? Picture: NCA Newswire
    It is a nonsense argument.

    Salaries across European soccer and the big four American sports are all made public because the sports realise there is integrity at stake.

    Here, where he remains answerable to the people, a quick Google search reveals Prime Minister Scott Morrison is worth about as much to the country as a middle forward on the fringe of rep football.

    Several years back Steve Mascord, the old league reporter, took their challenge and put his salary in the paper and all it did was reveal how poorly league reporters are paid.

    In most cases, exact figures will be quickly forgotten.

    Where integrity is vital — whether it be the Prime Minister looking to cart one up, the Police Commissioner, or clubs working under a salary cap — it is absurd that salaries are not public.

    For the game’s sake it works.


  • #2
    yeh nah. how do you do that and include the 3rd party payments and gifts etc. there should be more transparency for sure but not the spot on amount they get. i dont share my business turn over
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    • #3
      Originally posted by roosterproud View Post
      yeh nah. how do you do that and include the 3rd party payments and gifts etc. there should be more transparency for sure but not the spot on amount they get. i dont share my business turn over
      To the ATO you would though

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      • #4
        Yes they should be made public as they are in a lot of major sports around the globe - put an end to all these rumours and what not.

        Fans could also argue they are paying for some of the wages and operating costs of clubs via their membership/attendance at games/ purchasing merchandise etc so it should be transparent.

        Only actual players wages not contract offers though. Clubs have to spend 95% of the cap each year

        You could do it two ways as per the MLB link examples below

        By Club with no players name - overall roster wages- 30 players

        https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

        or by Club with players name and their wage

        https://databases.usatoday.com/mlb-salaries/
        Last edited by King Salvo; 03-09-2022, 02:37 PM.

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        • #5
          Well, if nothing else , telling the wages would stop all the numbnuts screaming about the Chooks rooting the cap since it showed up….maybe

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          • #6
            Paul Kent talking about integrity.

            Pull the other one.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Recky62 View Post
              Well, if nothing else , telling the wages would stop all the numbnuts screaming about the Chooks rooting the cap since it showed up….maybe
              Would it though?

              IMO people would just be like 'the knights offered him $800k and he took $500k to play for Easts... this isn't a doctor's surgery... clubs aren't supposed to be making gap payments!!!'

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              • #8
                How does publishing the numbers prove anything, when teams have been caught they had a second book or other dodgy things going on.
                Books made public and it is shown that we have spent 97% of the available cap and fans will still say cheating is going on.
                None of us know, as far as was can see we are compliant but there could be some secret payments going on giving us an unfair advantage.
                This could be happening at any team but because they haven't been a success no-one questions it, dogs have brought up big so are they managing the books better now or doing something that is being kept quite.

                Roosters, Storm, Panthers and Souths have been up the top for so long and have star teams will always have also run teams fans saying cheating is going on.

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                • #9
                  Wouldn't stop the talk about brown paper bags and other insinuations of impropriety. Everyone knows that the clubs total spend looks good on paper, the Sombrero comments are about non-cap included payments.

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                  • #10
                    European Soccer does not publicise salaries. quite the opposite, they always try to hide the salaries and transfer amounts.

                    wouldn't expect a sports journalist to know about different sports though.

                    Paul Kent can get in the bin

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                    • #11
                      Identifying players when they are young & bringing them through your system where they go onto play SOO or for Australia, NZ, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji is the way to keep players when they are real good for less. Thats why the Chooks under Robbo have been successful.
                      People wouldnt believe that Sitilli is on 220k or Naiqama is on 100k or Momo 350k Smith 200k Tupou 350k
                      Sam Walker wouldnt be on more than 350, Hutch would only be on 200. Heaps of them arent getting the big bucks.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Waylander View Post
                        Wouldn't stop the talk about brown paper bags and other insinuations of impropriety. Everyone knows that the clubs total spend looks good on paper, the Sombrero comments are about non-cap included payments.
                        Exactly, it won't stop the game of golf with uncle Nick theories that get bandied around.
                        What a player is worth at one club may completely change at another. Nick Cotric for example was a premium winger who played origin footy at the Raiders yet looked very ordinary in admittedly a poor dog's team with limited opportunities.
                        Not everyone is motivated by money, I look at Olympians who train as hard as anyone for that one opportunity in 4 years to be the best.
                        They have a limited time in their careers so some do try to get every cent they can but others are motivated by winning and being in a happy environment.
                        Publishing salaries wont stop players relatives being given jobs or them being looked after once their playing careers are over.

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                        • #13
                          Rooster players salaries made public? But I thought they had a good thing going on with the 11-2 penalty counts.

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                          • #14
                            Here's one thing Kent didn't think about.........Do you really think the zillion conspiracy-theory numbnuts out there that support other clubs would stop thinking the Roosters are cheating the salary cap if player salaries were published? It wouldn't matter what they did - as long as there are dingbats out there who are jealous of the Roosters they will always accuse the Roosters of cheating! Kent mentions the league growing up...it is the accusers that need to grow up.
                            Last edited by ccfc bondi; 03-09-2022, 07:37 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RoosterFanNZ View Post
                              European Soccer does not publicise salaries. quite the opposite, they always try to hide the salaries and transfer amounts.

                              wouldn't expect a sports journalist to know about different sports though.

                              Paul Kent can get in the bin
                              MMM- Seems Team and Individual Players Wages are in the Public Domain for the Top Football Leagues/ NFL/ MLB which I previously posted and NBA for an example

                              EPL

                              https://www.spotrac.com/epl/rankings/

                              Bundesliga

                              https://soccerprime.com/bundesliga-player-salaries/

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