Bat on no try

[Rooster_6]

Where's the knock on?

Goes 2-3m forward.

Walker touches the ball about 18m out and lands about 15-16m out from the try line.

[Johnny Brass]

get a vid of it instead Pulitzer prize photos malalakas

Gold

[roostermcgregor]

Q: When is a knock back, not a knock back, but is ruled as a knock-on instead?
A: When a Rooster's player fumbles it.

[roostermcgregor]

I can finally see it R6.
Walker is 18 metres out in photo 1, but his forward momentum takes him to about 14 metres out in photo 2.
In the meantime , the ball has travelled forward about 2 metres from where he initially made contact with the ball.

[Rooster_6]

I can finally see it R6.
Walker is 18 metres out in photo 1, but his forward momentum takes him to about 14 metres out in photo 2.
In the meantime , the ball has travelled forward about 2 metres from where he initially made contact with the ball.

Yes and the key thing to remember is that a bat on is not considered as a pass. So he may well have initially knocked the ball backwards but there’s no doubt it ends up travelling towards the oppositions goal line. Where as when you are passing on a sweep play it only needs to come out of the hands backwards and then can travel forward with momentum which is why to many it “feels fine” watching it live but just factually clearly isn’t.

[Rooster_6]

get a vid of it instead Pulitzer prize photos malalakas

My apologies, I’ve slowed it down for you.

https://youtu.be/w57SRvTUV9w?t=11

[Rocky Rhodes]

Yes and the key thing to remember is that a bat on is not considered as a pass. So he may well have initially knocked the ball backwards but there’s no doubt it ends up travelling towards the oppositions goal line. Where as when you are passing on a sweep play it only needs to come out of the hands backwards and then can travel forward with momentum which is why to many it “feels fine” watching it live but just factually clearly isn’t.

Sorry R6 but u totally wrong on that....whether it's a regular PASS, a flick PASS or a bat on PASS it still is a PASS. What is it then, a dance move??

Now if it is a pass then u have one of two outcomes...a forward pass OR a legit backward / sideways pass.

And if u are judging passes then it's dependent on the position of the hands and not where the ball bounces due to the forward momentum theory.

It was a legit try IMO. That said i thought Manu's flick pass for Suualli first try was forward...so in the end things balanced out.

[Spirit of 66]

This video (Rugby-based but still the same) very clearly highlights the physics involved. In Walker's case, his momentum is still transferred to the ball as he bats it back, so it must float forward, but should still have been a try. As the video shows, the longer the ball is in the air, the more deceptive it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s

[Rooster_6]

Sorry R6 but u totally wrong on that....whether it's a regular PASS, a flick PASS or a bat on PASS it still is a PASS. What is it then, a dance move??

Now if it is a pass then u have one of two outcomes...a forward pass OR a legit backward / sideways pass.

And if u are judging passes then it's dependent on the position of the hands and not where the ball bounces due to the forward momentum theory.

It was a legit try IMO. That said i thought Manu's flick pass for Suualli first try was forward...so in the end things balanced out.

This is not my opinion, it is fact. A bat on or tip on is not considered a pass by the laws & interpretations of the game.

That is why Adam Gee ruled it a knock on rather than a forward pass.

[Rooster_6]

This video (Rugby-based but still the same) very clearly highlights the physics involved. In Walker's case, his momentum is still transferred to the ball as he bats it back, so it must float forward, but should still have been a try. As the video shows, the longer the ball is in the air, the more deceptive it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s

100% but the problem is a tip on/bat on is not considered a pass so therefore the rules around forward passes is irrelevant in this case.

This is why Adam Gee ruled it a knock on and not a forward pass.

[Tom Verlaine's Ghost]

A try for all money. No wonder Robbo went off in the box. And it was a 12 point turnaround cause the Worms scored two minutes later.

[King Salvo]

Whether it is a traditional pass or bat on/ tap on the same rule would apply - I haven't studied it that much to see any examples of backward bat on's/ tap on's that travel forward due to the momentum of the ball.

A Bat on / Tap on although not defined in the rules per se would still be deemed a pass and subject to the same law and rule that defines any pass -Legal or Illegally

Players way in the past would bat/tap or throw the ball over the top of a defending player and regather it - Dally Messenger was a master at it " the legal knock-on " so they changed the rules to outlaw it.


Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.

[player 1]

100% but the problem is a tip on/bat on is not considered a pass so therefore the rules around forward passes is irrelevant in this case.

This is why Adam Gee ruled it a knock on and not a forward pass.

Where is the distinction between a "tip-on/bat-on" and a regular pass?

Where does this appear in the rules?

[BraveTheWorld]

This video (Rugby-based but still the same) very clearly highlights the physics involved. In Walker's case, his momentum is still transferred to the ball as he bats it back, so it must float forward, but should still have been a try. As the video shows, the longer the ball is in the air, the more deceptive it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s

I was about to link the same video.
It was pretty touch-and-go, but this was a try. Looks like Walker finishes tapping it on about 16m out and it lands about 15 1/2 out, but it was off his hand backward.
If you get tackled immediately after passing, every pass or tip on will look forward.

That all being-said, I wouldn't really call this a howler. Surprised the benefit of the doubt didn't go our way, but lord knows we've had worse calls than this one.

[Rocky Rhodes]

This is not my opinion, it is fact. A bat on or tip on is not considered a pass by the laws & interpretations of the game.

That is why Adam Gee ruled it a knock on rather than a forward pass.

lol...it is ur opinion just as it was Adams Gees opinion. U are assuming referees are infallible lol.

The bat on in question was part of the backline PASSING movement. Or are u saying Walker tried to catch it?

A bat on is counted as a pass in league context, it ain't a dance or a sexual experience hehe.

Go on, find me evidence in the actual laws to say a bat on is not a pass...otherwise clearly u are wrong...