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  • Dud Coaches.

    I can't recall seeing so many in operation at the same time.
    Yes we had the predicable sacking...........sorry "quitting" of Barret, but it still amazes me he got the gig in the first place.
    He's gotta be the worst coach I've seen since Russel Fairfax.

    Then you consider Griffen.......
    Walters
    Brown
    Maguire
    O'Brien
    Arthur

    Thank god we got Robbo

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    I actually think Parra would've won a comp or at least made a GF by now with this current crop if it wasn't for Arthur. For some reason, I put him at the top of the list.

    Not sure if anyone bar Bellamy or Robbo could save the Warriors so I'll reserve judgement on Brown. Similar story for Madge. Clearly shown he can coach.

    I can't imagine Walters being a very good coach, seems to be better for team morale and culture than anything tactical or gamechanging.

    O'Brien whilst I like his style and the fact he has a connection with us in 2018, doesn't seem to be cutting it at Newcastle and they have been woefully inconsistent for a few years now.

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    • #3
      Coaching has to be one of the toughest jobs. The amount of pressure and criticism is way more than I could take.

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      • #4
        Theres a huge gap between brown and Arthur.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eddie View Post
          I can't recall seeing so many in operation at the same time.
          Yes we had the predicable sacking...........sorry "quitting" of Barret, but it still amazes me he got the gig in the first place.
          He's gotta be the worst coach I've seen since Russel Fairfax.

          Then you consider Griffen.......
          Walters
          Brown
          Maguire
          O'Brien
          Arthur

          Thank god we got Robbo
          You must of forgot about Paul Langmacks tenure, or Terry Lamb

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          • #6
            Maguire might be a bit hard done by on this list. The Tigers surely have the absolute worst squad in the comp, and maybe Maguire shoulders some responsibility for that, but players also simply don't want to play there unless they're being paid boatloads for it. I think Madge is a decent coach.

            I've never rated Walters either, but they're certainly playing some good footy.

            I think people should understand that not everything is on the coach. You can have a good coach fail with an awful roster or at a terrible club. Some of the clubs in the NRL don't look salvageable in the near future.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dr. Voodoo Man View Post
              Coaching has to be one of the toughest jobs. The amount of pressure and criticism is way more than I could take.
              But they're very well compensated.
              Heck, Barrett cops half a million payout for failing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rooster90 View Post

                You must of forgot about Paul Langmacks tenure, or Terry Lamb
                Yes...........yes I did.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BraveTheWorld View Post
                  Maguire might be a bit hard done by on this list. The Tigers surely have the absolute worst squad in the comp, and maybe Maguire shoulders some responsibility for that, but players also simply don't want to play there unless they're being paid boatloads for it. I think Madge is a decent coach.

                  I've never rated Walters either, but they're certainly playing some good footy.

                  I think people should understand that not everything is on the coach. You can have a good coach fail with an awful roster or at a terrible club. Some of the clubs in the NRL don't look salvageable in the near future.
                  Yes............but I watched that tiger town documentary.
                  I dunno if he thinks setting a world record for swearing helps the playing group or not.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dr. Voodoo Man View Post
                    Coaching has to be one of the toughest jobs. The amount of pressure and criticism is way more than I could take.
                    For sure... also not all teams are made equal and your biggest critics are likely gonna be some faceless board members who cop zero public criticism for the facilities/recruitment/demands...etc you've gotta work with.

                    In my mind, luck (particularly when setting up) still plays a big part in where somebody's career is going. Not knocking Bellamy but I reckon his path coulda been much shorter and less glamorous if he didn't start-out at a News Ltd owned club that was systematically spending double the cap, getting all the gun QLD juniors (without having local feeder system - still doesn't) and 3 of those turning out to be of immortal quality.

                    Not saying Bellamy had no influence over all this (and it's fair to say he more than likely made these guys who they were... if I were coach, you probably coulda given me all that talent/$$$ and I still woulda failed). However, other clubs coulda basically thrown him out into the paddock, said 'we are broke so these cr@ppy facilities are what you've got', handed him a poorly managed cap/roster (with it being essential that they stick to the cap) and asking him 'do we sack our best player + 3 promising juniors to make room for deficiencies, or keep them and play with our current deficiencies? You're stuffed either way, mate'.

                    IMO it's much easier to be told 'you can keep every single gun junior + your superstars while signing more superstars... yes we're backed by News Ltd and have top notch facilities... all I want you to do is come up with a winning tactic for me, son!' Yes it takes a LOT of talent to convert that luck into a ~15-20 year dynasty, but I feel it's almost impossible to get off the ground without the perfect balance of ingredients while you're getting started.

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                    • #11
                      Surely Chupa Chup Anderson's tenure at the roosters has to go down as one of the worst

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                      • #12
                        I don't think management or boards do some coaches any favours.

                        Robbo is a great coach and the club leaves him alone to run the show.
                        I doubt he would get the same results if he got offered and accepted the bulldogs job.
                        To many chiefs over there sticking their nose in and Gus would be trying to control you.

                        They need a strong coach and it would be a game of who last longer ..... Gus or the new coach as a strong coach who tries to keep Gus at distance will end up with one of them leaving.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tennessee Tornado View Post
                          Surely Chupa Chup Anderson's tenure at the roosters has to go down as one of the worst
                          No there were coaches with worse winning percentages

                          Roosters top 6 Coaches with lowest winning percentage

                          Bert Holcroft - 1965/1966 - 36 games - 3 wins and 1 draw- 32 losses - 8.3 % winning percentage - 1966 - 18 games and 0 wins.

                          Nat Silcock -1964 - 18 games - 2 wins - 16 losses - 11.1% winning percentage.

                          Ferris Ashton - 1954 - 18 games - 3 wins - 1 draw - 14 losses - 16.7 % winning percentage.

                          George Boddington - 1929 - 16 games - 4 wins - 2 draws - 10 losses - 25% winning percentage.

                          Russell Fairfax -1989/1990 - 36 games - 11 wins - 2 draws - 23 losses - 30.6% winning percentage.

                          Chris Anderson - 2007 - 16 games - 5 wins - 11 losses - 31.3 % winning percentage.


                          Roosters Coach with the highest winning percentage

                          Big Jack Gibson- 1967-68 / 1974-76 - 130 games - 89 wins - 4 draws - 37 losses - 70.2% winning percentage


                          Most Successful Tri-Colours/Roosters Coach

                          Arthur "Pony" Halloway - 4 premierships - 1935/36/37 and 1945 - Runners up 1931 and 1938 - 5 Minor Premierships - 1931/ 1935/36/37 and 1945.


                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...osters_coaches
                          Last edited by King Salvo; 06-08-2022, 01:04 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kentucky_Fried_Rooster View Post
                            I don't think management or boards do some coaches any favours.

                            Robbo is a great coach and the club leaves him alone to run the show.
                            I doubt he would get the same results if he got offered and accepted the bulldogs job.
                            To many chiefs over there sticking their nose in and Gus would be trying to control you.

                            They need a strong coach and it would be a game of who last longer ..... Gus or the new coach as a strong coach who tries to keep Gus at distance will end up with one of them leaving.
                            Success will always give coaches some space to run the show. Not sure we are any more tolerant than other clubs when we don't have the success we've had for the best part of the last decade. Robbo has had the longest run at this club of any coach in the last 45 years that I've followed them. We have been pretty quick to get rid of them in the past - Chris Anderson, Brian Smith - even though we made a GF, and even favourite sons, Freddy and Russell Fairfax all got the chop pretty quickly when signs of possible success weren't there.

                            As for Gus, the Riff got rid of him after he sacked 2 coaches. Could it be that he is actually part of the problem?
                            Last edited by Noosa Rooster; 05-17-2022, 04:01 PM.

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                            • #15
                              It seems to me that the best coaches, and the ones that achieve success, just happen to have the strongest personalities.
                              Put Bellamy, Robinson, Bennett and (to a lesser extent) Ivan Cleary in that category.
                              Coaching has to be the one of most cut- throat occupations around.
                              In reality, win on the weekend and you are a genius, lose and you are a chump.
                              And for a lot of teams win or lose is at best , a 50/50 proposition.

                              Look at the criticism of Robinson after the losses to St George & Bulldogs.
                              There was hysteria here on the Chookpen - calls to replace him, and "he's lost the changeroom" were rife.

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