Tactical analysis thread - Easts v Eels

[Bruce 38-0]

I wish someone could present the stats to the team about how many tries have been scored in the set immediately after a penalty or six again? Maybe they would get the message. Is someone actually talking out there ‘watch the 10 metres”.

Some teams (happy to be corrected here) never ever seem to get called for inside the 10. Happens all the time for us. The Knights would have won the other day if they just stood in line with the ref and ran HARD in that last 90 seconds. All they had to do was tackle correctly 6 times. Instead they gave away a penalty. Somehow the Faiders found the half way line with a kick 10 metres out and 2 in from touch and the rest is history.

Some of the six agains must be by design but the ones that aren’t - fix it. There was a penalty the other night for not standing square. Does not standing square achieve anything when the ball is passed 7 metres either side if the ruck. Were there any other penalities for not standing square on the weekend?

As SBW would say. We need to fix the little 1%ers.

[ARD]

Not sure I would say that things are being addressed though and it is 2/3rd's through the season.

The inability to play a consistent 80 minute game week in week out.

An attack which has not been fully unlocked to the standard required.

The Sitili all or nothing charge at the try line- Cords former role /kick to either Toops or Sualii and individual efforts on occasions - Manu/Walker/Tedesco seemingly their main options - support play is poor- line breaks and normal attacking movements - cross field runs/ frantic play/one man band play with certain players trying too hard and trying to do it all on their own.

It is noticeable though that they are off loading more - from 16th to now 6th - Only need the dummy half to run more and kick as well.

Although there has been a slight improvement in some of these there is certainly room for improvement in the following.- These are some of the basics of the game which are letting them down in games.

Set completions (13th ) /Errors (3rd) / Handling errors (3rd) /Missed tackles (4th) /Penalties conceded (2nd).

When the Chooks game level drops these stats dip(set completions % ) /increase (Errors/Handling errors/Missed Tackles/Penalties-Set Restarts conceded) and sometimes dramitically and when this happens they concede points. - too many points and with the limitation of the attack they are not able to get themselves out of trouble in games.

They need to work on the basics and work towards an 80 minute consistent level of play each game.

I will ask people this what is the Roosters game plan - I mentioned before you can see what Penrith's and Melbourne Storms is and Parramatta's also - Not sure that i know or can describe what the Roosters one is.

Surely that has to be in the forefront of the coaching staff -devising a game plan that can beat any team- a few tweaks here and there maybe needed from time to time

King, saying ‘not playing for the 80mins’ doesn’t narrow down any root causes. It’s too broad a statement. What specifically is causing that problem? If I was to guess, I’d say it’s bench rotation because we seem to have significant shifts in our quality throughout a game. The fitness is there; senior players are playing long spells and we’ve come home stronger in most our losses but it’s depth/ cattle.

Without our top 3 props, we lack punch when starters go off. Also, our hooker rotation isn’t great and both these positions nail go forward.

Coaching staff would know this and more, and is likely why we are seeing tiny mins from big men on bench.

[Steakface]

- Find another middle forward. We could bulk up Butcher,

Nat has always been a classic hard working defensive no.13. I don't think he his enough of an attacking threat to be a really good 11 or 12.

Given Radley has a mortgage on the no.13, I wouldn't mind seeing if Nat could evolve into a Prop.

However
- Can he genetically bulk up enough? He is apparently only 98kg which I think is an issue
- Has he got quick enough leg speed to make up for lack of pure bulk?

[Rooster90]

Nat has always been a classic hard working defensive no.13. I don't think he his enough of an attacking threat to be a really good 11 or 12.

Given Radley has a mortgage on the no.13, I wouldn't mind seeing if Nat could evolve into a Prop.

However
- Can he genetically bulk up enough? He is apparently only 98kg which I think is an issue
- Has he got quick enough leg speed to make up for lack of pure bulk?

The likes of Mark O Meley and Danny Nutley in their prime were only 100kg.
not to mention the Cowboys and Storm play Cotter and Brandan Smith at prop

Even the Roosters favourite British import Mark Edmondson was only 96kg.

IMO Nat Butcher would be best played 80 in the back row for now however.

We need someone who can defend the edge more than anything

[player 1]

I wish someone could present the stats to the team about how many tries have been scored in the set immediately after a penalty or six again? Maybe they would get the message. Is someone actually talking out there ‘watch the 10 metres”.

Some teams (happy to be corrected here) never ever seem to get called for inside the 10. Happens all the time for us. The Knights would have won the other day if they just stood in line with the ref and ran HARD in that last 90 seconds. All they had to do was tackle correctly 6 times. Instead they gave away a penalty. Somehow the Faiders found the half way line with a kick 10 metres out and 2 in from touch and the rest is history.

Some of the six agains must be by design but the ones that aren’t - fix it. There was a penalty the other night for not standing square. Does not standing square achieve anything when the ball is passed 7 metres either side if the ruck. Were there any other penalities for not standing square on the weekend?

As SBW would say. We need to fix the little 1%ers.

Yeah I swore when I saw that "not standing square" penalty. They pull out a unicorn just for us.

I agree about "certain teams" NEVER being penalised for offside. What a joke. Pamfers are one of those sides, but instead it's called "great line speed".

Many of those penalties/6 agains were for sweet FA.

And no it's not a conspiracy - I think another poster hit the nail on the head - all refs grow up as fans, and unless they were chooks fans then like all other fans they grew up hating us. And they still do, simple as that.

We just have to live with it and be twice as good as the opposition - as we did in 2013,18,19.

[ism22]

The likes of Mark O Meley and Danny Nutley in their prime were only 100kg.
not to mention the Cowboys and Storm play Cotter and Brandan Smith at prop

Even the Roosters favourite British import Mark Edmondson was only 96kg.

IMO Nat Butcher would be best played 80 in the back row for now however.

We need someone who can defend the edge more than anything

What's the difference?

My image is that props (e.g. Collins and JWH) are by nature bigger because they run down the middle and defend down the middle too. While modern props will put on a step and run lines, they're primarily battering rams.

In contrast, I think second rowers are faster and have better ball handling skills as they need to connect with the centres and stuff like that.

As such, would it make sense to move a guy from back row to prop when his strength is his speed and tech skills? I dunno.

[Snapn1]

We are not fit!!!!!

We lack energy/ enthusiasm and straight up heart!

Effort there NO heart, team runs hard/ tackle but the willingness to dive for a tackle where you may or may not get him is heart and that is what the panthers are doing, for some reason they have more energy.

But we are still alive!!!!

Happy with the backline with a tall fast fit billy smith next to toops! If kearY is not able to give 100% then Manu 5%8 moving sitilli right centre,butcher 2ndrow ,rads lock

Less kicking an more running with Manu 5/8 and has a beautiful short kicking game for repeat sets!

Hope keary is well because we are a better team with him

[Snapn1]

What's the difference?

My image is that props (e.g. Collins and JWH) are by nature bigger because they run down the middle and defend down the middle too. While modern props will put on a step and run lines, they're primarily battering rams.

In contrast, I think second rowers are faster and have better ball handling skills as they need to connect with the centres and stuff like that.

As such, would it make sense to move a guy from back row to prop when his strength is his speed and tech skills? I dunno.

It all comes down to defence/ defence technique,
a prop controls the line speed of the ruck an aggressive runs getting over the advantage line!

terrel may is a prime example of a young guy that can do it all as a middle! Leg speed is crazy like collins an TKO

[bondi.boy]

I don't care what we do, who we buy, who we cut, where we finish on the ladder...but,
we simply must train 16 hours a day in some form, rest the whole firsts team if necessary, build and be ready to fire and win two more games this season.

Game 1:
Versus Dragons at Gosford.
Must win to own the Central Coast.

Game 2:
Versus Souths at Allianz.
Must win to own the new Stadium.

Nothing less than victory in these 2 games will be acceptable.

[King Salvo]

I don't care what we do, who we buy, who we cut, where we finish on the ladder...but,
we simply must train 16 hours a day in some form, rest the whole firsts team if necessary, build and be ready to fire and win two more games this season.

Game 1:
Versus Dragons at Gosford.
Must win to own the Central Coast.

Game 2:
Versus Souths at Allianz.
Must win to own the new Stadium.

Nothing less than victory in these 2 games will be acceptable.

1974 South Sydney v Eastern Suburbs- Highlights - Ah the ABC's opening credits and music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uO86OQ7YMg

[The Corner Post]

Nat has always been a classic hard working defensive no.13. I don't think he his enough of an attacking threat to be a really good 11 or 12.

Given Radley has a mortgage on the no.13, I wouldn't mind seeing if Nat could evolve into a Prop.

However
- Can he genetically bulk up enough? He is apparently only 98kg which I think is an issue
- Has he got quick enough leg speed to make up for lack of pure bulk?

The lighter style of prop seems to be the go. So long as they run straight, hard and fast.

[The Corner Post]

1974 South Sydney v Eastern Suburbs- Highlights - Ah the ABC's opening credits and music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uO86OQ7YMg

Wow, picture quality has come a long way! How spoilt are we with footy in HD.

[Bondicigar]

1974 South Sydney v Eastern Suburbs- Highlights - Ah the ABC's opening credits and music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uO86OQ7YMg

Nothing slows a play the ball down like standing on someone's long hair.
that's a classic

[bondi.boy]

Probably should put this in the "spoilt" thread but this point you've made made me think. Did we ever consider how much of a loss Friendy and his 60+ tackles a game is? Someone mentioned Teddy isn't great at organizing the defensive line, maybe he's been spoilt by having the likes of Jake to snuff out a lot of ruck deficiencies.

Back to Robbo's presser, a journo asked him - did we prepare for the Eels turning back inside the ruck tactics (Sitili and Angus misses) as the Eels are the only team that do that. (I don't think they are but maybe they do it more than other teams). Robbo didn't really have an answer for that. (Or he didn't want to elaborate)

It seemed to me that question caught Robbo a bit, maybe it was elementary at training during the week, just our second rowers didn't keep it in mind. I watch most of the pressers win or lose and this one it looked like Robbo was really feeling the loss, as much as we vent and take it to heart Robbo probably does 10 times more.

I hope he is not too stressed or even feeling bereft at the situation we are in. I support the Roosters no matter what but I think all fans staff and players probably think we should be doing better than we are. Anyway there's a few rounds left and if we do end up 6th like others have mentioned thats all good.

Although I do like the odd premiership

We should always prepare for the:
"inside pass to the big man running straight (or at angle)".
Always, ...it's been a thing since forever.
Think it was how Molo ran thru us to score under the posts at the start of the Dragons game at SCG.
It was Teddy that time who'd taken off to left field too soon.