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  • #16
    What about that Coen Hess sinbinning last night? FFS. A fantastic tackle, knocks the block on his arse. The result? Penalty Souths.

    I give up.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hawkeye View Post
      Feigning injury seems to be rife throughout that club, from players all the way up to the coach.
      I'm thankful and a little surprised that the Match Review Committee didn't charge any Rooster with Bellamy's ailment ?
      Nice!
      FVCK CANCER

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      • #18
        Originally posted by player 1 View Post

        He wasn't charged but I understand the NRL issued Robbo with a "comcerning act" letter warning him for winning and giving Bellamy a headache.
        Nicer!
        FVCK CANCER

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Johnny73 View Post
          If Tom Eisenhuth plays next weekend, we'll all know the charge is bullshit like the 412 overacting.
          412?

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          • #20
            Kaufusi 'hip drop'???

            https://twitter.com/RoosterXIII/stat...31138739122176
            "Believe in yourself, especially when no one else will."

            Sasquatch

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Johnny73 View Post
              If Tom Eisenhuth plays next weekend, we'll all know the charge is bullshit like the 412 overacting.
              I will be watching with interest when the team list comes out.
              "Believe in yourself, especially when no one else will."

              Sasquatch

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Blue Suede Schubert View Post
                Just sent this to the NRL via their contact page. Hopefully you all do the same:

                Further to my previous email seeking explanation for the NRL MRC failing to charge Munster for elbowing Sam Walker's head (which I've since been told resulted only in Munster receiving a warning letter - are you serious), I draw your attention to the following twitter feed highlighting 2 Melbourne players who should have been suspended. The Kafusi hip drop was far worse than the Collins alleged hip drop - and the NRL has ignored it. Not good enough. Soon I will have to call your integrity into question, rather than your competence. https://twitter.com/RoosterXIII/stat...31138739122176

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by player 1 View Post

                  Just sent this to the NRL via their contact page. Hopefully you all do the same:

                  Further to my previous email seeking explanation for the NRL MRC failing to charge Munster for elbowing Sam Walker's head (which I've since been told resulted only in Munster receiving a warning letter - are you serious), I draw your attention to the following twitter feed highlighting 2 Melbourne players who should have been suspended. The Kafusi hip drop was far worse than the Collins alleged hip drop - and the NRL has ignored it. Not good enough. Soon I will have to call your integrity into question, rather than your competence. https://twitter.com/RoosterXIII/stat...31138739122176
                  I reckon you’d get a better chance by tagging a journo on twitter. Do all the Tele and SMH league writers.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by A Country Member View Post

                    I reckon you’d get a better chance by tagging a journo on twitter. Do all the Tele and SMH league writers.
                    I reckon you're right.

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                    • #25
                      By the NRL Definition of the Hip Drop Tackle Collins tackle met the criteria one has to say - mitigating circumstances could be the Storm players foot getting stuck in the turf and thus twisting as a result of the Collins tackle.

                      The NRL will say Collins had a duty of care and the force of his tackle/body weight was a co contributing factor etc etc - One would say the grading would be the only arguable case i.e plea guilty and argue for a downgrade

                      Hip Drop Tackle involves the defender, who's often the second or third man in, holding onto the hips or upper body of the ball carrier before dropping their body weight on the legs/ankles of the attacker.

                      Not sure if the NRL suspending players because of a player being injured in an incident is the right or wrong way to go - if an injury means a higher grade you would need medical experts to give evidence that such an injury was sustained in the incident and not a pre-existing one or an injury that could have been sustained earlier in the game.

                      I agree with Gould and Johns and many others on this that the NRL has to get rid f the third man in defender in these 2 defender catch and hold tackle.- simple solution is to call held and play the ball when a ball carrier os caught and held by two defenders.

                      There are so many things that can wrong in these 3 defender tackles - hip drop as well as the crusher tackle i.e when they get the ball carrier to the ground and one of the defenders learns over the ball carrier and puts pressure on the ball carrier head/neck with their chest/upper body.

                      It's a rubbish tackling technique and surely with all these assistant coaches/consultants and what not teams have they could come up with better tackling techniques.

                      Certainly didn't see such tackles in the 1970's.80's/90's and parts of the 2000's - all these rubbish tackling techniques and unsavory tackles i.e grapple/chicken wing/cannonball/choker/hip drop to name a few are the result of moaning coaches complaining how it was too hard to slow the play the ball down ( ridiculous dominant and surrender tackle calls as well.- surrender tackle is rubbish it's an involuntary tackle penalise it

                      Oh then it was too hard to score so lets bring in the decoy runner rubbish - ridiculous defenders choice and inside and outside shoulder nonsense - the decoy is running interference/blocker to put of the defence - penalise it

                      What's the difference between a decoy runner and the so called escort when a player is running interference or blocking another player getting to the ball in kick situations - nothing except one is penalised ( Escort) and one (decoy ) mostly isn't.

                      You can't run behind a player when in possession so why is it a different interpretation when it comes to decoy runners when passing the ball behind them - both should be penalised for obstruction.

                      mmm 7 tackle restarts - as Gus would say - don't start me

                      All rubbish - get back to the way the game should be played
                      Last edited by King Salvo; 08-28-2022, 05:34 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Lindsay Collins is one of the dumbest footballers in the league he had made a number of cannonball tackles earlier in the season and now he's injured a Melbourne player only a few weeks after the Broncos player broke the leg of Jackson Hastings. There's no need for this third man in diving at the legs that's crept in to the game in recent years you can call it a cannonball or a hip drop but it's all shit and only results in injury.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Blue Suede Schubert View Post
                          Yeh unfortunately when challenging at the judiciary you can’t use offences that weren’t cited so despite there being very little difference between the two tackles except the outcome that incident will be of little help to us now.

                          What it does confirm is they are penalising hip drops purely on the outcome, i.e whether a player gets injured or not. Unfortunately news today suggests Eisenhuth will be out for the rest of the season so I don’t see it being a successful challenge and Lindsay will probably cop the full 5 weeks.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Blue Suede Schubert View Post
                            Worse than Collins'.

                            And Nelson smashing forearms into blokes faces every tackle. Munster the same.

                            But ZERO penalty. It's outrageous.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Rooster_6 View Post

                              Yeh unfortunately when challenging at the judiciary you can’t use offences that weren’t cited so despite there being very little difference between the two tackles except the outcome that incident will be of little help to us now.

                              What it does confirm is they are penalising hip drops purely on the outcome, i.e whether a player gets injured or not. Unfortunately news today suggests Eisenhuth will be out for the rest of the season so I don’t see it being a successful challenge and Lindsay will probably cop the full 5 weeks.
                              I posted the link for purposes of comparison only. I wasn't suggesting to use it as a defence at the judiciary. Similar tackles happen pretty regularly so you are correct about them being penalised purely on outcome.
                              "Believe in yourself, especially when no one else will."

                              Sasquatch

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Tommy Smith View Post
                                Worse than Collins'.

                                And Nelson smashing forearms into blokes faces every tackle. Munster the same.

                                But ZERO penalty. It's outrageous.
                                Yes, it is absolutely laughable.
                                "Believe in yourself, especially when no one else will."

                                Sasquatch

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