What do we need to win a comp next year ?

[weplayforprems]

What we need is exactly what we've needed the last 3 years.
A full squad throughout the semis.
We could have gone five-peat had we had no injuries.

100% mate. It’s bloody cruel that three premiership calibre teams have been crippled by forces beyond their control.

[King Salvo]

True… my only concern with that is that Trent is so enamoured with him that he will find a spot for him in the 17 even if that means putting him on the wing lol

Personally I really don’t see the attraction

Hutchy will be in contention for a place in the 17 for sure in 2023 and why not as he had a good season like last season and is a team player in being able to play in a range of positions

Hutch has played 56 NRL games now including 44 NRL games the past 2 seasons ( 2021-20 and 2022-24)

[Les Tricolores]

Hutchy will be in contention for a place in the 17 for sure in 2023 and why not as he had a good season like last season and is a team player in being able to play in a range of positions

Hutch has played 56 NRL games now including 44 NRL games the past 2 seasons ( 2021-20 and 2022-24)

Ah King Salvo… I remember Craig very fondly

Hutchinson seems like a genuine hard working fellow so I’m not piling on here… my only problem is he’s not that good… a lot of sides have better utility players to call upon

Case in point… yesterday he made a nice cutback play to set up Crichton… then he gets on the end of a very promising break and just inexplicably runs out of bounds

Yes I know he’s not a centre… which makes you wonder why he was playing there in the first place… but he’s not much good out of dummy half either

I think we need to do considerably better in that role because the team has underperformed this season

[Steakface]

Ah King Salvo… I remember Craig very fondly

Hutchinson seems like a genuine hard working fellow so I’m not piling on here… my only problem is he’s not that good… a lot of sides have better utility players to call upon

Case in point… yesterday he made a nice cutback play to set up Crichton… then he gets on the end of a very promising break and just inexplicably runs out of bounds

Yes I know he’s not a centre… which makes you wonder why he was playing there in the first place… but he’s not much good out of dummy half either

I think we need to do considerably better in that role because the team has underperformed this season

Yes, Hutch is a poor man's Anasta.

Hutch needs to bulk up and become a second rower somewhere at some other club. It's the only place he will find a home in a regular 17. He is just too deficient in other skill areas to play anywhere else imo.

[Les Tricolores]

Yes, Hutch is a poor man's Anasta.

Hutch needs to bulk up and become a second rower somewhere at some other club. It's the only place he will find a home in a regular 17. He is just too deficient in other skill areas to play anywhere else imo.

That’s a fair analogy… Braith wasn’t the most gifted athlete

I think as a backup half you hopefully rarely ever get to see Hutchinson is a serviceable member of the squad… problem is Trent keeps utilising him over others in roles that he’s not much good at and I suspect this is going to continue next year to our detriment

The issue with our slow start this season… and our dreadfully clunky attack… was not just about our halves switching and Keary’s rustiness… a good part of it was the utterly pedestrian play out of dummy half with Hutchinson there. No surprise how much the whole side looked better with the ball when Verrills finally returned and took over that role.

[SamKerrSimp]

Drew Hutchison is in the team as backup and cost us significantly less relative to salary cap % than Braith Anasta and he is far less selfish than Braith Anasta was. I will take Drew every day of the week over Braith who was a piss weak captain that once ran for 0m in the back row on Anzac Day and conspired with Fittler as coach to have Craig Fitzgibbon removed as captain.

[Les Tricolores]

Drew Hutchison is in the team as backup and cost us significantly less relative to salary cap % than Braith Anasta and he is far less selfish than Braith Anasta was. I will take Drew every day of the week over Braith who was a piss weak captain that once ran for 0m in the back row on Anzac Day and conspired with Fittler as coach to have Craig Fitzgibbon removed as captain.

Braith conspired to have Fitzgibbon removed as captain? I don’t recall that but I’ll take your word for it.

And he ran for 0 metres starting in the back row on Anzac Day? I don’t remember that either but that’s pretty hard to do lol.

Braith was never much good running the ball though… always thought he would have been a better rugby fly-half than a league five-eighth… but he was a pretty good player overall.

[King Salvo]

As Big Jack Gibson would say Hutch done good played strong and he will be under consideration for a place in the 17.

Apart from having to pull their finger out and start winning The catalyst for the turnaround was switching Keary to 5/8 and Walker to 7 /Watson as a running forward instead of a second dummy half and Lodge coming on board. Noted that Manu played 5/8 vs Dragons but Walker was half

Verrills then played longer minutes as Dummy Half as Hutch in the last 9 games played 5 at centre plus 50 minutes vs Dragons at centre I recall and 3 games as interchange(second dummy half) - So Hutch at centre for basically 6 games for 5 wins and 1 loss.

Also noted that Verrills missed the first 5 games ( rounds 1 to 5) then injured in round 9 ( 19 minutes) - Hutch then played 61 minutes as dummy half - Verrills also missed rounds 10 to 14

Roosters were 4 and 2 after 6 rounds- Hutch started as dummy half for 5 of those games for 4 wins and 1 loss

Ah yes never let the facts get in the way of fiction

https://www.roosters.com.au/teams/te...rew-hutchison/

[SamKerrSimp]

Braith conspired to have Fitzgibbon removed as captain? I don’t recall that but I’ll take your word for it.

And he ran for 0 metres starting in the back row on Anzac Day? I don’t remember that either but that’s pretty hard to do lol.

Braith was never much good running the ball though… always thought he would have been a better rugby fly-half than a league five-eighth… but he was a pretty good player overall.

Sorry Anzac Day was the 5m game it was against the Warriors he ran for 0m. We heard for years that Braith needed to play second row because he had a magnificent running game and the lazy pea hearted prick sulked and packed it in when Carney arrived.

[Les Tricolores]

As Big Jack Gibson would say Hutch done good played strong and he will be under consideration for a place in the 17.

Apart from having to pull their finger out and start winning The catalyst for the turnaround was switching Keary to 5/8 and Walker to 7 /Watson as a running forward instead of a second dummy half and Lodge coming on board. Noted that Manu played 5/8 vs Dragons but Walker was half

Verrills then played longer minutes as Dummy Half as Hutch in the last 9 games played 5 at centre plus 50 minutes vs Dragons at centre I recall and 3 games as interchange(second dummy half) - So Hutch at centre for basically 6 games for 5 wins and 1 loss.

Also noted that Verrills missed the first 5 games ( rounds 1 to 5) then injured in round 9 ( 19 minutes) - Hutch then played 61 minutes as dummy half - Verrills also missed rounds 10 to 14

Roosters were 4 and 2 after 6 rounds- Hutch started as dummy half for 5 of those games for 4 wins and 1 loss

Ah yes never let the facts get in the way of fiction

https://www.roosters.com.au/teams/te...rew-hutchison/

Thanks for the link

Just curious though… which of Drew’s stats impressed Big Jack the most? The whopping 28 running metres per game? Or the fact that no Rooster averaged LESS fantasy points than Hutchinson?

Now I don’t do fantasy… and I doubt Big Jack does either… but as a general metric it tends to separate the wheat from the chaff around the league

And yes… our attack was markedly better once Verrills got up to speed after his long layoff and Hutchinson was removed from the ruck. Not only did we win 8 in a row but we scored a truckload of points.

I appreciate Drew’s efforts and he seems like a nice fellow… but on a good day he is an average rugby league player at best and someone we definitely need to improve upon if we are going to overtake Penrith next season

[Les Tricolores]

Sorry Anzac Day was the 5m game it was against the Warriors he ran for 0m. We heard for years that Braith needed to play second row because he had a magnificent running game and the lazy pea hearted prick sulked and packed it in when Carney arrived.

I take it you won’t be hiring Braith as your agent anytime soon lol

[Vasco]

Yes, Hutch is a poor man's Anasta.

Hutch needs to bulk up and become a second rower somewhere at some other club. It's the only place he will find a home in a regular 17. He is just too deficient in other skill areas to play anywhere else imo.

Unfortunately with Verills gone he could end up as a backup dummy half.

[King Salvo]

Thanks for the link

Just curious though… which of Drew’s stats impressed Big Jack the most? The whopping 28 running metres per game? Or the fact that no Rooster averaged LESS fantasy points than Hutchinson?

Now I don’t do fantasy… and I doubt Big Jack does either… but as a general metric it tends to separate the wheat from the chaff around the league

And yes… our attack was markedly better once Verrills got up to speed after his long layoff and Hutchinson was removed from the ruck. Not only did we win 8 in a row but we scored a truckload of points.

I appreciate Drew’s efforts and he seems like a nice fellow… but on a good day he is an average rugby league player at best and someone we definitely need to improve upon if we are going to overtake Penrith next season

Robbo doesn't like running or kicking dummy halves one has to say

Verrills running metres were 39 metres per game and Hutchy's 28 metres per game

Compare those to the following for instance

Cook - 80 metres per game
Grant - 93 metres per game
Smith - 96 metres per game

You need to compare apples with apples when comparing fantasy or super coach points in regards to minutes played each game - if playing only 30 or less minutes of course one would not have the game minutes to accumulate the same points as players playing 80 minutes or double plus that game time would in comparision.

Also a bit hard to accumulate points when you are only expected to pass the ball from dummy half and make x tackles during your limited time on the field.

Vs Souths in the elimination final though

Hutchy accumulated the second most Super Coach points with 71 second to N Butcher on 74

Hutchy - 1 line break / 2 Line Break assists and 1 Try Assist

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...04/playerstats


As far as the winning streak goes it was a case of having to pull their fingers out and start winning / switching Keary and Walker and using Watson as a running forward and well the opposition too- Cows/ Storm and Rabbits were the only real opponents - Bronco's were in free fall /Manly 7 players short/ Dragons-Knights-Tigers pre-planning end of season holidays

Dragons - 54-26
Knights - 42-12
Sea Eagles - 20-10
Broncos 34-16
Cowboys - 32-18
Wests Tigers - 72-6
Storm 18-14
Rabbitohs - 26-16


Rather fanciful at best to think having a different player to Hutchy on the bench will make them competitive or overtake Penrith though.

Need to be able to play a consistent 80 minutes of footy week in week out for starters something they were not able to do all season - Couldn't honestly count the Tigers game as an 80 minute performance

Robbo likes Hutchy as a player and so do I so he will be in contention for a spot in the 17 each week in 2023.

[King Salvo]

Unfortunately with Verills gone he could end up as a backup dummy half.

Hutch in the Clutch

[Les Tricolores]

Robbo doesn't like running or kicking dummy halves one has to say

Verrills running metres were 39 metres per game and Hutchy's 28 metres per game

Compare those to the following for instance

Cook - 80 metres per game
Grant - 93 metres per game
Smith - 96 metres per game

You need to compare apples with apples when comparing fantasy or super coach points in regards to minutes played each game - if playing only 30 or less minutes of course one would not have the game minutes to accumulate the same points as players playing 80 minutes or double plus that game time would in comparision.

Also a bit hard to accumulate points when you are only expected to pass the ball from dummy half and make x tackles during your limited time on the field.

Vs Souths in the elimination final though

Hutchy accumulated the second most Super Coach points with 71 second to N Butcher on 74

Hutchy - 1 line break / 2 Line Break assists and 1 Try Assist

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...04/playerstats


As far as the winning streak goes it was a case of having to pull their fingers out and start winning / switching Keary and Walker and using Watson as a running forward and well the opposition too- Cows/ Storm and Rabbits were the only real opponents - Bronco's were in free fall /Manly 7 players short/ Dragons-Knights-Tigers pre-planning end of season holidays

Dragons - 54-26
Knights - 42-12
Sea Eagles - 20-10
Broncos 34-16
Cowboys - 32-18
Wests Tigers - 72-6
Storm 18-14
Rabbitohs - 26-16


Rather fanciful at best to think having a different player to Hutchy on the bench will make them competitive or overtake Penrith though.

Need to be able to play a consistent 80 minutes of footy week in week out for starters something they were not able to do all season - Couldn't honestly count the Tigers game as an 80 minute performance

Robbo likes Hutchy as a player and so do I so he will be in contention for a spot in the 17 each week in 2023.

No offence Big Salvo but you’re going well out of your way to overcomplicate what is a rather simple and self-evident premise

Hutchinson is the Roosters worst fantasy player simply because he is the Roosters worst player… and yes I’m well aware of what average means and the far too many minutes Drew spent on the pitch this year… it makes his fantasy numbers even more damning

Not sure where you get the idea that Trent… or any coach for that matter… wouldn’t want a dummy half that can exploit the ruck area. Done well it is the quickest most direct way down the field and naturally speeds up the ensuing play the ball. Some guys… like Grant and Cook… have an excellent sense for it and the athletic ability to back it up. Hutchinson painfully has neither.

I do agree with you though… I strongly suspect Hutchinson will be a part of our 17 next year given Trent’s unhealthy affinity for him… that is my concern.

If you wish to improve your football team… and we need to improve… then a good place to start is by replacing your worst players. A quality second dummy half to pair with Smith would be immense for the club… just preferring to settle on a slow unathletic not particularly tough nor smart journeyman with an at best mediocre skill set… and all because you like the cut of his jib… is not going to cut it for a premiership