Gloating Buzz

[Pass the Ball]

Chook,


Regarding disrupting the team. One player who has issues should not affect the on-field performances of the remaining players. If it does then there are more serious issues at play within the team. I am much more concerned about certain seniors players who have fragmented the team on more than one occasion in recent years by turning on other players or coaching staff.

Dice, I think you underestimate team harmony and having common goals. If your chief play-maker couldn't give a sh1t, of coarse it is going to effect the rest of the team..

[mightyrooster]

Is that the promise to the judge that didn't know their own laws in that you can't get locked up for a misdemeanor?

Whether the judge was incompetent or not (which it turns out she was) Carney himself made some bulls.t promise IN THE MEDIA that he would not drink. He also claimed his problems are a result of him being an alcoholic - more BS excuses. He obviously had no intention of fulfilling this promise which then put extra scrutiny on him and led to the telecrap hounding him day and night looking for a story which involved him drinking. It's not the drinking I have the problem with, it's the not keeping promises that is the problem. My 9 and 7 year olds can keep promises better than that idiot. More to the point they don't make promises to me that they know they can't keep. He is an immature child that the club did support and he now dishes it out saying he wasn't treated like a human. He is the one who needs to grow up and take responibility for his own actions. And even if Rothfield is taking what he said out of context why can't he man up now and say in public, that article in the Telecrap was a load of crap. Not just on Twitter!

[Guest]

Chook,

Whether we supported Carney is highly debatable. From where I sit he had a misdemeanor at the start of the year and we treated him like a criminal, and then he had idiotic drinking bans forced on him. Meanwhile the club knew he was still drinking all along and accepted it until the media found out. They betrayed him because it was easier to piss him off than deal with the media fallout. The complete opposite of the way Manly handled Stewart and Watmough.

Actually the drinking bans didn’t come into affect until later in the 2011 season and they were player squad induced bans not initiated by the club. Which means Carney’s form, or lack thereof, during 2011 had nothing to do with the drinking bans. And to back your point about the club knowing he was still drinking, his personal councillor (hired by the club) also advocated no to drinking bans instead they counselled Carney to be given control over his own actions/drinking and he demonstrated none.

Players know their drinking limits and the consequences of turning up to a game hungover. Don't be an ass like BF and try to make out that players like Stewart and Watmough drink any less or can handle their drink any better than the party boys at the roosters. Manly players get plastered at every opportunity and still turn up on game day. By your theories and BF's made up scientific theories they should never have won a premiership yet they are the most successful NRL club in recent years.

Not if they are alcoholics they don't and an alcoholic is an alcoholic before they are anything else. And as I’ve said before Stewart and Watmough repay Manly for their support by carving it up on the paddock (although not recently) whereas Carney dogged it even after all the chances and support we gave him. The difference here is the individual players concerned, not the amount of support they were shown by their respective clubs.

Regarding disrupting the team. One player who has issues should not affect the on-field performances of the remaining players. If it does then there are more serious issues at play within the team. I am much more concerned about certain seniors players who have fragmented the team on more than one occasion in recent years by turning on other players or coaching staff.

So you’re saying one players’ issues/behaviour shouldn’t disrupt a team but you’re concerned about one player fragmenting the team through his issues/behaviour towards others in the team including the coach? You’re not making a lot of sense dice.

Chook.

[Guest]

Dice, I think you underestimate team harmony and having common goals. If your chief play-maker couldn't give a sh1t, of coarse it is going to effect the rest of the team..

PTB, I am not underestimating team harmony. I am suggesting the team already had harmony issues dating well before Carney arrived.

stsae understands what I mean by that. He may be the only one.

[Guest]

My biggest issue with Carney is the fact that he preferred to lie and go out drinking instead of supporting his team mates in Newcastle.

That was a big slap in the face.

[chook 56]

My biggest issue with Carney is the fact that he preferred to lie and go out drinking instead of supporting his team mates in Newcastle.

That was a big slap in the face.

We have to remember that alcohol is a drug. Drugs are addictive & some people cannot help themselves to get their fix.
It is no different to heroin when you look at it in simplistic terms. Addicts lie, lie & lie again to maintain their fix.
The results & outcomes are often very similar, just the time frame is changed.

[Geohood]

mark riddell @riddell009

Surely the article headline should have read "this paper now treats me like a human being" .........
Retweeted by John Orchard

[Guest]

We have to remember that alcohol is a drug. Drugs are addictive & some people cannot help themselves to get their fix.
It is no different to heroin when you look at it in simplistic terms. Addicts lie, lie & lie again to maintain their fix.
The results & outcomes are often very similar, just the time frame is changed.

Cousin's Cousin.

[Guest]

Cousin's Cousin.

Surely you are smarter than that Pim. Never let the truth get in the way hey.

[Guest]

Surely you are smarter than that Pim. Never let the truth get in the way hey.

I meant as their addictions Ad.

[Guest]

I meant as their addictions Ad.

What like a drug dealing bikie, and a juvey drunk?

[Guest]

what like a drug dealing bikie, and a juvey drunk?

oh no we're gonna get sued!!!!!!

[Guest]

A true conservative. Point out the others, yet give no alternative.