Moga taken out of NRL profiles and put back in NYC profiles.

[Guest]

You're right - my bad, I meant to write young talent in the outside backs.

The last one we showed any faith in was SKD.

Guys like Blair and Winterstein could have been given a crack before we let them go.

Sometimes sink or swim works. It might have even helped Williamson, myth though he was.

I think it's more a case of we we haven't much quality in the backs coming through, we have had some very good young forwards and all of them got their chance.

Someone like Blair was reportedly well paid and highly regarded but couldn't crack it. He has found a job in a poor Parra side, he probably wouldn't be in first grade in many sides. Winterstein has done ok but is no star. I mean a week ago people were praising Linnett, this week he is in reserve grade.

Moga unlike the other guys has shown much more and and at a younger age, he will get his shot there is no need to rush him.

[Headless Chook]

I think it's more a case of we we haven't much quality in the backs coming through, we have had some very good young forwards and all of them got their chance.

Someone like Blair was reportedly well paid and highly regarded but couldn't crack it. He has found a job in a poor Parra side, he probably wouldn't be in first grade in many sides. Winterstein has done ok but is no star. I mean a week ago people were praising Linnett, this week he is in reserve grade.

Moga unlike the other guys has shown much more and and at a younger age, he will get his shot there is no need to rush him.

Anybody who has watched him this season knows that he really ain't that good. He has let in a stack of tries where he makes poor defensive decisions....so much so that he makes SKD look like Paul Bowman in defence!

[Andrew Walker]

You're right - my bad, I meant to write young talent in the outside backs.

The last one we showed any faith in was SKD.

Guys like Blair and Winterstein could have been given a crack before we let them go.

Sometimes sink or swim works. It might have even helped Williamson, myth though he was.

What are you talking about Perett Miniciello Hegarty Flannery Byrne come to mind without thinking

[Guest]

What are you talking about Perett Miniciello Hegarty Flannery Byrne come to mind without thinking

Byrne was 23, but I take your point on the others.

Still, that was, in a sense, a while ago - Perrett being the last of those few in 04/05?

Since then we seem to either blood them then drop them cold, or persist with some pretty ordinary older guys.

I just reckon that sometimes, giving them a real crack early on can do them good - it makes them understand the standard they're aiming for, it gives them confidence that they are important to the club, and with a lucky break/try, they suddenly have the world at their feet.

Look at guys like Folau, or for a less unique example, someone like James Roberts at Souffs. Yeah he's not playing FG at the moment, but that stint he had would have given him a fair bit IMO.

I could be wrong, but I just think giving them a shot can be beneficial.

[BUDDY]

Patience is the key. Along with Cordner we have as few to look forward too.

Chook.

One thing is for supporters to be patient. The other thing is for the players to be patient.

Moga, Evans, RTS, Tago, Napa just to name a few. Will they all get an opportunity by next year because you know other teams will dangle a carrot.

[Guest]

Exactly right, fred's always looking for the WhINge WhINge angle to fuel his obsession. I wonder if he was spurned by Smithy? Is fred Carney's mum perhaps?

Chook.

whats carney mum got to do with it?

[Guest]

You just never let it go. Everyone now says that Hayne is a great player but is immature and has a big attitude problem. Ever thought this was the reason Smith didn't play him earlier? If he has an attitude problem now at the age of what 24 what was he like at 18 or 19? Unless of course he was more mature as a teenager and 'immatured' as he got older? Moga is EIGHTEEN years old. He has a serious ankle injury. It must be serious because he came back for 2 weeks and is injured again. Imagine if Smith had played him in firsts and he reinjured his ankle there, you would be the FIRST person to come on here bagging him for playing him when he wasn't ready and still not 100% fit.

I give smith credit where its due. Unfortunately it hasnt been due very much.

The indisputable fact is that 1 minute after taylor took over it, the first thing he did was promote hayne to first grade. Unless you think that hayne somehow miracuralously matured within the space of 1 day somehow back then.

and in case you are not aware, most footy players are immature, most are still babies despite their physical attributes and their age.

[Guest]

I think it's more a case of we we haven't much quality in the backs coming through, we have had some very good young forwards and all of them got their chance.

Someone like Blair was reportedly well paid and highly regarded but couldn't crack it. He has found a job in a poor Parra side, he probably wouldn't be in first grade in many sides. Winterstein has done ok but is no star. I mean a week ago people were praising Linnett, this week he is in reserve grade.

Moga unlike the other guys has shown much more and and at a younger age, he will get his shot there is no need to rush him.

I think linnett suffered an injury in his last game.

[Andrew Walker]

Byrne was 23, but I take your point on the others.

Still, that was, in a sense, a while ago - Perrett being the last of those few in 04/05?

Since then we seem to either blood them then drop them cold, or persist with some pretty ordinary older guys.

I just reckon that sometimes, giving them a real crack early on can do them good - it makes them understand the standard they're aiming for, it gives them confidence that they are important to the club, and with a lucky break/try, they suddenly have the world at their feet.

Look at guys like Folau, or for a less unique example, someone like James Roberts at Souffs. Yeah he's not playing FG at the moment, but that stint he had would have given him a fair bit IMO.

I could be wrong, but I just think giving them a shot can be beneficial.

Here is another Iosia Soliola Of all the players I have metioned aside from Todd Byrne all the players have played for their Country except for Flannery who has played SOO What it shows is the ones that do get picked to go through are generally the right players

The others not picked like Winterstein were behind these players such as Soliola Perret Your point you are making here about the club is wrong

[Guest]

We have, for a very long time, been too reluctant to blood young talent.

It means that most of our young blokes who play first grade do it at another club.

Patience ........ Confuscious say, only when the legs of caterpillar grow long can they turn into the wings of butterfly............... ok so the Gibbon said that , not Confuscious.. but it's true !!

[Andrew Walker]

BJ Leilua is another Blind Freddy is well amd truly miles off the mark here

[Vasco]

I give smith credit where its due. Unfortunately it hasnt been due very much.

The indisputable fact is that 1 minute after taylor took over it, the first thing he did was promote hayne to first grade. Unless you think that hayne somehow miracuralously matured within the space of 1 day somehow back then.

and in case you are not aware, most footy players are immature, most are still babies despite their physical attributes and their age.

I'm sure Taylor's promotion of Hayne had some politics attached to it.

[Guest]

You're right - my bad, I meant to write young talent in the outside backs.

The last one we showed any faith in was SKD.

Guys like Blair and Winterstein could have been given a crack before we let them go.

Sometimes sink or swim works. It might have even helped Williamson, myth though he was.

What about BJ? And how's that working out for you Freddy & Fred? One of the most criticised players on here, in the squad, perhaps Smitty should've held off blooding BJ too??

[mightyrooster]

I give smith credit where its due. Unfortunately it hasnt been due very much.

The indisputable fact is that 1 minute after taylor took over it, the first thing he did was promote hayne to first grade. Unless you think that hayne somehow miracuralously matured within the space of 1 day somehow back then.
and in case you are not aware, most footy players are immature, most are still babies despite their physical attributes and their age.

No I don't think he miraculously matured. That's my point. And from all reports he still hasn't. He still has an ego / attitude problem, is not a team player and according to the newsrags his teammates hate him. Smith may well have known this back then and therefore held him back for this very reason. Taylor an inexperienced coach just threw him in, not taking these factors into account. Remember Stuart left him out of the original SOO team last year because of his attitude (presumably). A good coach when dealing with young players needs to look at more than just the skill levels of the players.

And perhaps maturity is not the word I should have used with Hayne. Perhaps a better word was attitude and the willingness and ability to be a team player. Thurston comes across as an immature twat, but no-one could ever accuse him of not being a team player.

[Guest]

What about BJ? And how's that working out for you Freddy & Fred? One of the most criticised players on here, in the squad, perhaps Smitty should've held off blooding BJ too??

I like JB. He has a lot of talent - as shown in that terrific offload against the raiders with 3 players hanging off him for anasta to fall over the line for a try (about the longest anasta has ever run).

It was right to blood him early because he showed at the time that he belonged in first grade company despite his very young age.

But the ridiculous continuous decision by smith to play this young kid out of position on the wing (which is where he is still mainly playing now despite smith pretending to name him in centres each week) is a complete disgrace on smith and our club. His career is being set back a million miles by the lunacy of our coach who simply wants props as wingers rather than fast elusive try scorers.

I actually like most players in our team apart from a few like anasta, carney etc. I am even starting to appreciate arona. We have a very talented squad of players.

My problem is mainly Smith - he is not the right person for the job though. Our young players deserve better. If we get the coaching side of things right in the next few years, our young squad could do anything. There are many players who share my view.