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  • All gear, no idea: Roosters have best toys but do they know how to play with them?

    What are peoples take on the following ?

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    On Monday morning, Roosters boss Nick Politis along with board and chairman’s club members walked into breakfast at the exclusive Calile Hotel in Brisbane like it was a wake.

    They’d come to Brisbane en masse the day before for the historic first match against the Dolphins with both clubs paying appropriate homage to the late Arthur Beetson, who won premierships at each of them.

    Instead of making a first-round statement, the Roosters left Suncorp Stadium with their feathers firmly between their legs following a 28-18 loss. Wayne Bennett was so excited afterwards he took selfies with fans on the fence. You don’t see that every day.

    The paradox is too juicy to ignore: the Dolphins can’t land a marquee player no matter how many $1 million-a-season offers they throw around while the Roosters have so many marquee players they can barely fit them into their side, let alone under the salary cap.

    The Dolphins were brilliant, sure; a triumph for Bennett’s distilled methodology of telling young men to run hard, tackle hard, and play for each other.

    But it was an underwhelming performance from the Roosters, who looked like the rich kid with all the expensive toys but unsure how to use them. All gear, no idea.

    Coach Trent Robinson’s pragmatic mood post-match did not reflect the pessimism of those in the breakfast room at the Calile, and fair enough: it’s the first round, they were down on players, and they wrestled with injuries and concussions throughout the match.

    They’ve also seen this movie before. Remember midway through 2018 when so many of us wrote off the signing of halfback Cooper Cronk, claiming the experiment had failed, only to watch them win back-to-back titles?

    But still … The Roosters face some tough decisions with their squad, this year and next.

    They have three world-class fullbacks in James Tedesco, Joseph Suaalii and Joseph Manu. Tedesco’s management already wants a one-year upgrade for 2025. He is their captain and best player, but the Roosters don’t like being bullied.

    Manu is expected to slot into five-eighth when Luke Keary retires, although that’s a touchy topic. The headgear Keary wore against the Dolphins was a none-to-subtle sign of how delicate his concussion status has become.

    Suaalii has triggered his option for 2024 but his manager, Isaac Moses, maintains the upper hand.

    The Roosters (particularly Politis) hate managers (particularly Moses) dictating terms to them. But, in their haste to snatch Suaalii from South Sydney, they’ve boxed themselves into a corner with generous get-out clauses each year. You can almost set your clock to speculative stories about Wallabies coach Eddie Jones wanting him for the 2027 Rugby World Cup.

    Internally, the Roosters believe Sam Walker is their halfback for life. He’s such a great talent, and an equally great kid who plays the game in the right spirit, that you hope it works out.

    Externally, though, there are some coaches who still question whether his body is big enough for the NRL. The Dolphins’ forwards only enhanced the theory it is not on Sunday.

    So much of the Roosters’ attack in the past three seasons has centred around Tedesco, mostly out of necessity, and when he gets trucking through the middle of the ruck he can be impossible to stop.

    But sometimes he gets overwhelmed by the burden of it all, making uncharacteristic mistakes as he did on Sunday.

    Victor Radley is everyone’s favourite player because he’s a throwback to the good old days, when footballers threw their entire frame at the opposition without fear of the consequences.

    Unfortunately, this is 2023, not 1973, when the slightest stagger or delay in getting up will prompt the independent doctor to drag you from the field.

    As for Radley’s new best mate Brandon Smith, he and Jake Turpin were outclassed and outplayed by Dolphins’ hooker Jeremy Marshall-King.

    Prop Jared Waerea-Hargreaves is the alpha male of the forward pack, but how much more can his body take? He’s likely to play against the Warriors at Allianz on Saturday afternoon, although fellow prop Matt Lodge is out for six weeks with a fractured cheekbone.

    Billy Smith and Sitili Tupouniua are yet to return from ACL injuries while Conor Watson – the No.14 they desperately needed on Sunday – is still recovering from his knee injury.

    Meanwhile, football is the last thing on Angus Crichton’s mind and there are fears we won’t see him again this season. The club has asked for salary cap relief.

    The Roosters are the gold standard of NRL clubs with all the new toys. Next year, they get the game’s best young winger in Dominic Young and its best young bench player in Spencer Leniu

    They have a net worth of $150 million with a property portfolio that safeguards the club’s future for generations to come. There’s an argument the NRL should buy the UK Super League. The Roosters are so well run they could buy the NRL.

    As for those chairman’s club members we mentioned at the top of the show, they have the deepest pockets in the game.

    Last year, the Roosters launched their junior academy with a special function at the Intercontinental in Double Bay. When a fundraising auction was held later in the night, some of them threw in as much as $100,000.

    The academy idea was hatched after the club visited Barcelona FC before their 2020 World Club Challenge, weeks before COVID-19 shut down the world. That’s how this club sees itself: the Barcelona FC of the NRL (or at least the club Barcelona used to be).

    It doesn’t have the deep reserves of emerging talent like Souths, Penrith, the Dragons or the Broncos – but its entire focus is on sustained success and survival.

    Politis’ greatest legacy is that he has made the Roosters the gold standard. The only problem with setting such a high benchmark is constantly trying to live up to it.


    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/all...06-p5cpmt.html

  • #2
    The narrative that the squad is full of stars is just lazy reporting. Nat Butcher, Egan Butcher, Sitili Tupouniua, Fletcher Baker, Billy Smith, Paul Momirovski, Jaxson Paulo, Corey Allen, Terrell May, Drew Hutchison, Naufau Whyte, Jake Turpin are far from big name stars that will be fixtures in the team but the media and other NRL fans would have you believe that we have 30 James Tedesco level players

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    • #3
      Webster is actually close politis… would not surprise me if this wasn’t a rev up to the players…. We’ll see

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      • #4
        We may have some pricey toys, but our halves wouldn’t be in the top 5 pairings at the moment.

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        • #5
          Gotta say I mostly agree with the story.

          We came with a point to prove & they had nothing to lose as a new starter.

          Is it the coach or players to blame for this. Something needs adjusting asap.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SamKerrSimp View Post
            The narrative that the squad is full of stars is just lazy reporting. Nat Butcher, Egan Butcher, Sitili Tupouniua, Fletcher Baker, Billy Smith, Paul Momirovski, Jaxson Paulo, Corey Allen, Terrell May, Drew Hutchison, Naufau Whyte, Jake Turpin are far from big name stars that will be fixtures in the team but the media and other NRL fans would have you believe that we have 30 James Tedesco level players
            Tedesco, Manu, Toops, Keary, JWH, Radley, Angus, the Cheese & young guns Walker & Suaalii are players over clubs would kill for.

            We are loaded player wise but not results wise.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Eggspert View Post

              Tedesco, Manu, Toops, Keary, JWH, Radley, Angus, the Cheese & young guns Walker & Suaalii are players over clubs would kill for.

              We are loaded player wise but not results wise.
              Lodge and Collins too.

              not too sure how keary would go on the open market these days though.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Eggspert View Post

                Tedesco, Manu, Toops, Keary, JWH, Radley, Angus, the Cheese & young guns Walker & Suaalii are players over clubs would kill for.

                We are loaded player wise but not results wise.
                That’s a lesser amount than the players I named

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                • #9
                  This x3 FB story is getting old; It’s clear Manu and Joey have accepted Teddy is our FB and even signed extensions to play in the centres. It’s manufactured drama or at best a 2-3yr problem being brought forward for drama and clicks.

                  I guess it’s a small price to pay to have them all in our team.
                  Last edited by ARD; 03-06-2023, 09:36 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SamKerrSimp View Post

                    That’s a lesser amount than the players I named
                    Whilst I somewhat agree thst its lazy to say we are a "team of superstars' almost like we are the Harlem Globetrotters and its used a knock against us... _you cannot argue we have the strongest collection of players in club footy hands down.

                    We have 2 guys playing in the centres that turned down 1 mil offers elsewhere. We have the Australian captain. We have the Kiwi rep hooker who is a former premiership winner and key player for a Top 4 rival. Keary has played Origin and done it all in the game, Sam Will play origin as arguably the highest profile rookie in the comp.

                    Collins, Toops, Crichton are Origin regulars. Radley whilst a shadow of himself, is an Origin calibre lock forward on his day and now apparently English enough to be their lock. We have an embarrassment of riches compared to almost every other team. Our weakest player, Hutch, would likely start in the halves for some of the lower sides in the comp.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by milanja View Post

                      not too sure how keary would go on the open market these days though.
                      I reckon someone would take a punt and offer big money.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HunchoRooster View Post

                        Whilst I somewhat agree thst its lazy to say we are a "team of superstars' almost like we are the Harlem Globetrotters and its used a knock against us... _you cannot argue we have the strongest collection of players in club footy hands down.

                        We have 2 guys playing in the centres that turned down 1 mil offers elsewhere. We have the Australian captain. We have the Kiwi rep hooker who is a former premiership winner and key player for a Top 4 rival. Keary has played Origin and done it all in the game, Sam Will play origin as arguably the highest profile rookie in the comp.

                        Collins, Toops, Crichton are Origin regulars. Radley whilst a shadow of himself, is an Origin calibre lock forward on his day and now apparently English enough to be their lock. We have an embarrassment of riches compared to almost every other team. Our weakest player, Hutch, would likely start in the halves for some of the lower sides in the comp.

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                        • #13
                          Obviously theloss of 3 main leaders in two years has had an impact been Friend,Cords and Cronk ...they are irreplaceable, and Teddy is on his own .we are 3 brains down and mine hurts,Walker will be the next brain but he needs like any other half for his forwards to do the job. The loss had a lot to do with been shook up in defence and not firing back.
                          With all these outs again we will be struggling for points .Teams like us can turn it around in a week.
                          Dolphins were not that good..they relied on our drop ball once we held it a few times we put points on them .They started playing like us a bit in the second half .If Toupo grounds it and its 18 all we might of jagged a win but I think it was 6 headbins then 2 outs was too hard with all of them key players.
                          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe

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                          • #14
                            The story reads very true to my eyes.........

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                            • #15
                              Our squad is grossly over rated. The forwards who got all that game time in 2021 when we had all the injuries haven't kicked on to become mainstream top players. They are still only good backup players. The release of SST is going to hurt us , Jared's injury proness and absence hurts us and the injury to Lodge has further hurt us. We were up 12-6.... Lodge was enormous in that first 20 minutes. When he and Collins were subbed off,the go forward disappeared. Unfortunately Rads effectiveness of hitting chest high has gone,due to too many citing.....his aggressive lower tackle style is going to Friendy style concussions. Ithink we are in for a troubled season with injuries already a significant hurdle...

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