Robbo v Hook

[mightyrooster]

I’ll never give up on them; ever. Just wanted to use some facts to highlight where we really are at. My head isn’t in the sand like many others around here who would prefer to ignore reality.

There are definitely issues. Our attack is too side to side and we lack a player with a good kick. We seem to be forever defending from our own line so it’s any wonder we haven’t scored many points and we’re always leaking them. We really miss Toops carries early in the count and Jared and Lodge have missed a lot of game time. I think Robbo learnt how to play under the new rules last year when we went on that late winning streak. It involved getting the smaller men moving forward going straight and direct through the ruck. Verrills and Watson were a big part of that. We need to get back to it. Verrills fast service and crisp passing is really being missed as is Watson.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

10 years of Robbo

Finals appearances - 9
Premierships - 3
World Club Challenges - 3

After 11 rounds

Current Comp Leaders on 16 - 3 losses each
Roosters on 12 - 5 losses

14 Regular Season games to go

Get a grip doom and gloomers , sky is falling and rock solid as liquid water crowd

I've said it many a time be thankful the above folk and anti-robbo crowd have zero say on anything football related at the Roosters as it would surely be a disaster if they ever did - be a different team after every loss and a revolving door of different coaches throughout the year.

You keep saying that KAKFA, as if YOU actually do have more than zero to say on anything football related at the Roosters, which I am sure we are all happy is not the case. Most of us don't want a team of handbrake's clones either. So pull your huge head in Sally.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

The doom and gloomers seem to have a combination of the following traits:

- short attention spans
- no loyalty
- hindsight revisionism
- whataboutism

This thread was written with the premise (or implication) that because St George sacked Hook, we should also do the same to Robbo because our March-May statistics are worse.

I mean, good grief.

I hope Robbo and the lads, of they visit here at all (unlikely), have nothing but a good laugh at such posts.

The Chook Pen is more and more reading like the works of those in an insane asylum.

Actually MEATHEAD, all I posted in this thread are FACTS.
we are going a lot worse than a simple 5 and 5 scenario.
I've supported the chooks all my life, and I always will.
Doesn't stop me from seeing that they are underperforming,
and for me the coach has been a major factor in that.
I think he has underachieved for the past couple of seasons.
Previously there have been excuses, but this season it comes down to him making very questionable decisions on dropping players, moving them to different positions and persisting with others who consistantly do not produce.
he ain't no guru.
Our next two games are Dragons and Dogs, with a bye thrown in, so we should be 7 wins and 5 losses, if he wakes up to himself and gets the team back on track by reversing some of the decisions he has made then MAYBE we can make the 8.
If he persists with his current agenda we have no chance.
All we need then is for a couple of injuries and it's goodnight from us.

[HunchoRooster]

He is a non-winner and always will be. Ask St. George supporters if he is a bum.

I'm not saying he is a coaching messiah but he isn't that bad... St George is a bum club at the moment. No coach could win anything with their roster and only a select few could've improved on Hook's results over the last couple of seasons.

[HunchoRooster]

The doom and gloomers seem to have a combination of the following traits:

- short attention spans
- no loyalty
- hindsight revisionism
- whataboutism

This thread was written with the premise (or implication) that because St George sacked Hook, we should also do the same to Robbo because our March-May statistics are worse.

I mean, good grief.

I hope Robbo and the lads, of they visit here at all (unlikely), have nothing but a good laugh at such posts.

The Chook Pen is more and more reading like the works of those in an insane asylum.

I guess I can be put in the 'doom and gloomer' category because I question Robbo's tactical and selection decisions. I can't speak for the poster who created the thread and yes there is no comparison between Hook and Robbo but this rubbish about no loyalty or short attention spans I can't cop mate.

It seems like a lot of people on here think the club started in 2013 and all loyalty goes to Robinson not the Roosters. Robinson has every right to be questioned so long as we have one of the best squads on paper and play like an U10's team. Past success isn't always the barometer and trend for future success. Robbo and our team as a whole have looked woefully out of depth in big games/big moments since the 6 again rule came in and that is a fact.

Definitely some over-reactions on the Pen on both sides of the fence. Some want Robbo hung drawn and quartered and to sell Teddy and co., but conversely you have people saying Robinson is always right (like the resident windowlicker - Queen Sally) and that if you don't agree, you may aswell support another club. It's somewhere in the middle.

[Rooster1908]

The doom and gloomers seem to have a combination of the following traits:

- short attention spans
- no loyalty
- hindsight revisionism
- whataboutism

This thread was written with the premise (or implication) that because St George sacked Hook, we should also do the same to Robbo because our March-May statistics are worse.

I mean, good grief.

I hope Robbo and the lads, of they visit here at all (unlikely), have nothing but a good laugh at such posts.

The Chook Pen is more and more reading like the works of those in an insane asylum.

1 short attention span . No I remember the last 4 years we have won nothing .
2 Loyalty. Only goes so far
the other 2 are just dribble so not worth answering .
Not calling to sack Robbo at all but the definition of stupidity is making the same mistakes over and over again . Even if its Robbo

[eddie]

Can't compare Robbo to the recently axed st merge coach.
Would anyone seriously want Griffith near our club.

[Steggles]

Actually MEATHEAD, all I posted in this thread are FACTS.
we are going a lot worse than a simple 5 and 5 scenario.
I've supported the chooks all my life, and I always will.
Doesn't stop me from seeing that they are underperforming,
and for me the coach has been a major factor in that.
I think he has underachieved for the past couple of seasons.
Previously there have been excuses, but this season it comes down to him making very questionable decisions on dropping players, moving them to different positions and persisting with others who consistantly do not produce.
he ain't no guru.
Our next two games are Dragons and Dogs, with a bye thrown in, so we should be 7 wins and 5 losses, if he wakes up to himself and gets the team back on track by reversing some of the decisions he has made then MAYBE we can make the 8.
If he persists with his current agenda we have no chance.
All we need then is for a couple of injuries and it's goodnight from us.

I’m not sure why some on this forum like to ignore facts and fear an honest assessment as to where the team is really at. You can only move forward if you are honest with your issues……if the coach and the players think we are travelling just fine like many on here, then nothing will improve and we will be in for a few tough years. Nothing wrong, then nothing to fix sorta thing. I reckon they know full well we’re in the shit, which is good because then they might be able to right the ship and improve performance.

[rented tracksuit]

Keary’s not quite right. We were 6 wins, 4 losses at round 10 in 2018.

Our biggest loss in those games was a 24 point belting by the Warriors; we had also lost to Wests by 2, Souffs by 12 and Saints by 16. We had also beaten the Dogs by 18, Newcastle by 30, the Sharks by 18, the Dogs again by 6, Manly by 2 and the Warriors again by 32. it’s fair to say our results were mixed with some bigs wins and a few bad losses; on balance not bad. We had scored 194 points, conceded 140 for +54.

Let’s not get our hopes up based on what Keary said; 2023 is absolutely nothing like 2018. We’ve had 4 much closer wins this year, a bye and hidings against Storm, Cows and Penrith. Points for 157, against 222 for -65. The bye has made our defence stats look better than they are compared to 2018. Our attack is significantly worse than the same time in 2018, but it is our defence that has really fallen off the edge of a cliff, which I believe is a combination of players out of position and an issue with attitude within the playing group.

Early 2018 was a team learning to play with a new general, but the effort was there and it eventually clicked. 2023 looks and feels different; yes there’s a new 9 but the same effort and desire just isn’t there.

So many stats. Is that you Sally?

[rented tracksuit]

You keep saying that KAKFA, as if YOU actually do have more than zero to say on anything football related at the Roosters, which I am sure we are all happy is not the case. Most of us don't want a team of handbrake's clones either. So pull your huge head in Sally.

Triple LIKE!

[Steggles]

So many stats. Is that you Sally?

I thought I’d use some stats in a meaningful way to better highlight that this isn’t 2018 and it’s unlikely to be. Rainman just regurgitates endless meaningless stats that mean SFA…..I particularly like those about other sports.

[Rooster90]

Big difference

Robbo is a talker and communicates with his players - possibly gives them too much information

Hook doesn't communicate with anyone

[rented tracksuit]

I thought I’d use some stats in a meaningful way to better highlight that this isn’t 2018 and it’s unlikely to be. Rainman just regurgitates endless meaningless stats that mean SFA…..I particularly like those about other sports.

I don’t.

[bondi.boy]

That's a pretty fair summation of where we are. The problem is the current squad is nowhere near as talented or as deep as the 2018 team

Agree.
Our 'lethal left side' ran riot....also combined with Teddy to score the winning GF try in 2019.

Keary, Billy Smith, Toops...our lethal left side could be reborn.
Billy Smith and Allan combined for a great try last game.

[BigCok007]

Luke Keary said something interesting on NRL 360 the other night. He said we were 5 and 5 at Round 10 in 2018 and everyone was commenting about how bad the Cronk signing was. We know how that season ended. Comparing Robbo to Hook is crazy as they are chalk and cheese.

Similar point in time when we won our last 4 premierships :

2002 : 5 wins 4 losses 1 bye
2013 : 8 wins 2 losses
2018 : 6 wins 4 losses
2019 : 8 wins 2 losses
2023 : 5 wins 4 losses 1 bye