NYC Team for 2012

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Put it this way if Mini was to get injured Perrett would be next in line. If they were both injured Mortimer would be played there or Kheirallah so I would say that makes him 5th best at the club.

lol @ Mortimer being a better fullback than Wells. That'll do me.

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lol @ Mortimer being a better fullback than Wells. That'll do me.

I agree with Mickey Lane.

Smith would not have Wells next in line if Minichiello got injured. Perrett, Alofa, Kheirallah and probably Mortimer would all be in front of him.

Since Smith watches these guys train and compete with first graders daily, and you have seen Wells only against schoolboy and reserve grade opposition, I don't see what you have to back up your opinion.

I hope he is the best fullback at the club very soon, but right now? Not a chance.

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I agree with Mickey Lane.

Smith would not have Wells next in line if Minichiello got injured. Perrett, Alofa, Kheirallah and probably Mortimer would all be in front of him.

Since Smith watches these guys train and compete with first graders daily, and you have seen Wells only against schoolboy and reserve grade opposition, I don't see what you have to back up your opinion.

I hope he is the best fullback at the club very soon, but right now? Not a chance.

Minichiello was injured and on origin duties for numerous games last season and Perrett was not first choice.

Mortimer hasn't even played a game at fullback, you might think the quality level in the 20's is shit but playing well in the 20's > doing something at training.

Why is the coaches decision final and correct anyway? Was Jake Friend a worse hooker than Riley Brown & Nick Kouparitsis because he was constantly picked behind them? Was Todd Carney a worse 5/8 than Braith because he was forced to play fullback for the first 13 rounds in 2010? FPN constantly picked above players who were performing, I could go on.

So lets look at what you're agreeing with...

"IMHO I dont think he will make it. He is to small. He is in the Shaun Foley, Rhys Pritchard mould"

Henare Wells - 188cm, 80kgs (will no doubt be more given his goal all last year and this off season was to put on weight.

Sam Perrett - 180cm, 92kgs
Alofa Alofa - 185cm, 83kgs
Daniel Mortimer - 174cm, 82kgs
Mark Kheirallah - 177cm, 83kgs

Look at Jaryd Hayne when he entered first grade, 186cm, 83kgs.
Josh Dugan very similar story, 188cm, 84kgs

People get way too caught up in the size of players these days yet it's one of the easiest things to gain if you have a hard work ethic. Skill & ability should be fare more valued factors.

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put it this way if mini was to get injured perrett would be next in line. If they were both injured mortimer would be played there or kheirallah so i would say that makes him 5th best at the club.

lmfao

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Minichiello was injured and on origin duties for numerous games last season and Perrett was not first choice.

Mortimer hasn't even played a game at fullback, you might think the quality level in the 20's is shit but playing well in the 20's > doing something at training.

Why is the coaches decision final and correct anyway? Was Jake Friend a worse hooker than Riley Brown & Nick Kouparitsis because he was constantly picked behind them? Was Todd Carney a worse 5/8 than Braith because he was forced to play fullback for the first 13 rounds in 2010? FPN constantly picked above players who were performing, I could go on.

So lets look at what you're agreeing with...

"IMHO I dont think he will make it. He is to small. He is in the Shaun Foley, Rhys Pritchard mould"

Henare Wells - 188cm, 80kgs (will no doubt be more given his goal all last year and this off season was to put on weight.

Sam Perrett - 180cm, 92kgs
Alofa Alofa - 185cm, 83kgs
Daniel Mortimer - 174cm, 82kgs
Mark Kheirallah - 177cm, 83kgs

Look at Jaryd Hayne when he entered first grade, 186cm, 83kgs.
Josh Dugan very similar story, 188cm, 84kgs

People get way too caught up in the size of players these days yet it's one of the easiest things to gain if you have a hard work ethic. Skill & ability should be fare more valued factors.

That's because Perrett was injured for most of the season too. LOL

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That's because Perrett was injured for most of the season too. LOL

The month Mini spent out with the flu started at round 16, the same round Perrett made his comeback from injury.

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The month Mini spent out with the flu started at round 16, the same round Perrett made his comeback from injury.

Thats because we had Phil Graham.

Mortimer would get a crack at FB before Wells. 1 million percent.
Sam Perrett
Alofa Alofa
Daniel Mortimer
Mark Kheirallah
would all be ahead of him. No matter what you say.

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lmfao

Did you hear Anasta on fox sport tonight? If Mini go's down Mortinmer will be FB. Laugh all you like, Im only the messanger.

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I still don't get how that disproves my opinion that Wells is the best fullback st the club?

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I still don't get how that disproves my opinion that Wells is the best fullback st the club?

I'm with you, Wells by a long shot.. When he impresses @ nyc and he will, Wells will get his shot. Wells has bulked up nicely and looks ready for it!

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That's because Perrett was injured for most of the season too. LOL

KB you are a duck!

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KB you are a duck!

What ever you say Mr Crap

[Guest]

Minichiello was injured and on origin duties for numerous games last season and Perrett was not first choice.

Mortimer hasn't even played a game at fullback, you might think the quality level in the 20's is shit but playing well in the 20's > doing something at training.

Why is the coaches decision final and correct anyway? Was Jake Friend a worse hooker than Riley Brown & Nick Kouparitsis because he was constantly picked behind them? Was Todd Carney a worse 5/8 than Braith because he was forced to play fullback for the first 13 rounds in 2010? FPN constantly picked above players who were performing, I could go on.

So lets look at what you're agreeing with...

"IMHO I dont think he will make it. He is to small. He is in the Shaun Foley, Rhys Pritchard mould"

Henare Wells - 188cm, 80kgs (will no doubt be more given his goal all last year and this off season was to put on weight.

Sam Perrett - 180cm, 92kgs
Alofa Alofa - 185cm, 83kgs
Daniel Mortimer - 174cm, 82kgs
Mark Kheirallah - 177cm, 83kgs

Look at Jaryd Hayne when he entered first grade, 186cm, 83kgs.
Josh Dugan very similar story, 188cm, 84kgs

People get way too caught up in the size of players these days yet it's one of the easiest things to gain if you have a hard work ethic. Skill & ability should be fare more valued factors.

When you say "I agree" with someone, it doesn't mean you take everything they said as word for word, verbatim truth.

I don't think Wells is too small. Although I don't think you're making the point you think you are... of the fullback's listed there, Wells is the tallest but lightest.

But like I said, I don't think he is too small - just like I don't think he is the best fullback at the club.

Your questions of the coaches previous decisions are valid but have answers. Brown and Kouparitsis had roles in the team; these roles were often poorly performed and executed, but a Grand Final says their selections nonetheless served a purpose. Carney was placed at fullback to shield him from pressure, and a Dally M says that worked. FPN is a senior player in the team - it is not uncommon at all in the NRL to see faith shown in seniority despite poor form.

You say 20's form is greater than training at fullback, but you forget Mortimer has played first grade before. He has tackled first graders, run at first graders, and read first grade play. Wells has done none of that. That first grade experience puts Mortimer ahead of him.

As has been pointed out, Graham was preferred to Perrett at fullback. If Phil was still here, he would be another one ahead of Wells.

As a fan, you really aren't in a position to say "Smith is wrong, Wells is the best." Unless you can actually tell us why Smith has it completely wrong, and why Wells is better than Perrett, Alofa, Mortimer and Kheirallah, there isn't really a discussion to be had.

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Wells is the best fullback behind Mini. To play first grade number 1 you need speed and skill first and foremost. Size is not as important at fullback. If you look at all successful fullbacks in recent years they are either small or slight but all are fast and can ball play. Slater, Bowen, Barba, Gardner, Dugan all run like the wind. Even Merrett is a better fullback than Wesser last year. They also all travel more ground than any other position so you need a more aerobically fit player and to bethis fit it is hard to maintain weight.

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When you say "I agree" with someone, it doesn't mean you take everything they said as word for word, verbatim truth.

I don't think Wells is too small. Although I don't think you're making the point you think you are... of the fullback's listed there, Wells is the tallest but lightest.

But like I said, I don't think he is too small - just like I don't think he is the best fullback at the club.

Your questions of the coaches previous decisions are valid but have answers. Brown and Kouparitsis had roles in the team; these roles were often poorly performed and executed, but a Grand Final says their selections nonetheless served a purpose. Carney was placed at fullback to shield him from pressure, and a Dally M says that worked. FPN is a senior player in the team - it is not uncommon at all in the NRL to see faith shown in seniority despite poor form.

You say 20's form is greater than training at fullback, but you forget Mortimer has played first grade before. He has tackled first graders, run at first graders, and read first grade play. Wells has done none of that. That first grade experience puts Mortimer ahead of him.

As has been pointed out, Graham was preferred to Perrett at fullback. If Phil was still here, he would be another one ahead of Wells.

As a fan, you really aren't in a position to say "Smith is wrong, Wells is the best." Unless you can actually tell us why Smith has it completely wrong, and why Wells is better than Perrett, Alofa, Mortimer and Kheirallah, there isn't really a discussion to be had.

I'm aware of the point I'm making, if you read in the brackets that weight was taken some 6-7 months ago, since then he's been putting on more weight. In the off season alone there were reports he'd put on another 5 kgs.

Graham AND Kheirallah were the preferred fullbacks on all occasions, Perrett didn't even come into it. It's a side point to the real argument but Smith has shown a resistance to move Perrett from the wing, certainly wouldn't be first choice.

I didn't forget Mortimer played First Grade, experience alone doesn't mean he'd be a better fullback than Wells though. That's a ludicrous suggestion, it might be valid had he actually played in the position of argument or in a position where he could display the full range of skills i.e on the wing taking high balls but even then we've seen wingers like Hayne who have struggled positionally in defence and leaked plenty of tries for their team. The most likely outcome is he'd be the next Kelly/Carney/Barba struggling to catch high balls and costing the team massively, although he doesn't have anywhere near the attacking skills of those mentioned.

I think Smith is wrong to have Mini as his first choice fullback I'm not sure why as a fan I'm not allowed to say that? As for who he picks after that no one knows, it's just a guessing game but fairly sure I'm still entitled to my opinion.

As to why I think Wells is the best, out of all the fullbacks you've mentioned he's the only one with the ability to create. A crucial skill for all modern day fullbacks that none of the others display and a crucial skill given our halves pairing this season. He's got great acceleration, very good support player, sound positionally in defence, solid under the high ball and good elusiveness. The only area he lacks in is his front on tackling.