Jets - offering little?

[Guest]

if they were good enough, they'd be playing NRL though. and I think thats where the NRL is going sadly. you gotta feel for the blokes that don't peak till their older, but i think those blokes will shine in the pub comps if they really are NRL material

[Guest]

if they were good enough, they'd be playing NRL though. and I think thats where the NRL is going sadly. you gotta feel for the blokes that don't peak till their older, but i think those blokes will shine in the pub comps if they really are NRL material

That is a pretty naive assumption. You may be good enough for NRL, and killing it in the Jim Beam Cup, but who is there to see it? Not your coach, not your trainers, and how much time do you think someone like Fittler has to watch video of Jim Beam Cup matches?

It was a huge issue for us, even before the introduction of the U20's. The Newtown feeder arrangement saw players get overlooked even if they were in great form for flegg players. The problem with having a feeder club is not through not wanting to promote the performers who are over 20, but more a problem that the communication and knowledge isn't there when you're operating as two separate entities.

Sure some players get promoted from there, but would you take the word of your assistant coach giving wraps to an u20's player, or a coach from another organisation giving you his opinion?

The system is fundamentally flawed, and if it continues I have no doubt the mentality of players will be their career is over once they hit 21 and haven't made it. Which is ridiculous considering the only guys who are actually matured in their playing ability are your 3/4 line. Props are 23-25, 2nd rowers 21-23, halves can be 22 anywhere up to 26... Not to mention in the under 20's, there are no experience old heads to speed up there development, and their opposition are barely starting to fit into their bodies.

[Guest]

It is a huge change in environment too. From training with the NRL team and playing in the NRL jerseys in the curtain raiser for the big game - to training with lifelong pub footy players for a park footy club like Windsor Wolves.

It would cause a serious change in attitude and motivation, almost as if once you are over 20, it actually becomes HARDER to make an NRL team. This is made more difficult for forwards in particular, as many do not show their best form till later on.

[Guest]

That is a pretty naive assumption. You may be good enough for NRL, and killing it in the Jim Beam Cup, but who is there to see it? Not your coach, not your trainers, and how much time do you think someone like Fittler has to watch video of Jim Beam Cup matches?

Yeah how do you prove yourself in the lower grades? Particularly if you're one of those players who's good at playing without the ball.

I think coaches generally look at the following stats:
1) Height
2) Weight
3) Points scored
4) Tackles

... if a guy's 190+cm, weighs over 90kg and has a lot of points/tackles then maybe he'll get eyed out for promotion. I'm not sure how others get picked out. I think as always... unless you're the big unit who's getting points where it counts on the stat sheet, or a renowned coach has looked at your game and said "oh... he looks like Wally Lewis... watch out for him!" then there's an element of luck, and maybe a bit of good networking.

I remember when I was trying out for League teams they'd say "put your name, height and weight on this paper..." everybody would be 5cm taller and 10kg heavier on paper if they had any ambitions of making it somewhere...

With regard to the Jets, there's many kinds of people I can see getting overlooked because the team's doing really badly, e.g.
- A really fast winger who never touches the ball because they're getting no possession, and the forwards/centres are getting the touches when they do get possession.
- A gun kicker who's not #1 pick for penalties...etc (so has no points on the board) but if the team were ever inside the opposition's danger zone then they'd be gun.
- A hardened forward who does lots of work assisting with tackles and marking defenders, but gets less tackles because the other side is weaker, so the opposition hammer it.
- A shy bloke who isn't inside the team's special group, who just never gets passed the ball, so doesn't gain many metres (say a gun athlete who doesn't drink with the boys and is on the field training while they're out drinking... but as a consequence doesn't have as many mates for the team who see him as a champ and rate his skills... LOTS of these guys I reckon!)

So... good stats where it counts, good networking and a bit of good luck is what it takes for some big name coaches to notice you. Unfortunately this is pretty tough when your team's losing 90% of its games...

Although on the flip side maybe it's easier? If your team is getting pumped... maybe it's a chance for you to show some heart and beat everybody else in the stats as they're all getting low stats?

[Guest]

Proving you are a class above in the lower grades often involves using your outstanding ability to MAKE thing happen against the grain e.g. if you are a fast winger not getting good ball, then get in and scoot from dummy half, use pace to catch markers off guard, etc.

But the problem with NSW Cup is the lack of motivation due to the park atmosphere and lack of apparent connection to the NRL.

[Guest]

Starting to go alright, the Jets.

[Guest]

That is a pretty naive assumption. You may be good enough for NRL, and killing it in the Jim Beam Cup, but who is there to see it? Not your coach, not your trainers, and how much time do you think someone like Fittler has to watch video of Jim Beam Cup matches?




The system is fundamentally flawed, and if it continues I have no doubt the mentality of players will be their career is over once they hit 21 and haven't made it. Which is ridiculous considering the only guys who are actually matured in their playing ability are your 3/4 line. Props are 23-25, 2nd rowers 21-23, halves can be 22 anywhere up to 26... Not to mention in the under 20's, there are no experience old heads to speed up there development, and their opposition are barely starting to fit into their bodies.

I think its pretty naive to suggest that if a player is setting the world on fire in a lower grade/different comp that the clubs wouldnt know about it. Isn't that the sort of thing clubs employ talent scouts and blokes like Peter O'Sullivan for.

In regards to your last paragraph I completely agree. The system is flawed.

[Guest]

Seems to me the Jets are offering more than some of the people posting here.

[Guest]

jets are in the 8,seems like their offering more than 1st grade & u20's......go the bluebags!

[melon....]

Seems to me the Jets are offering more than some of the people posting here.

Look its Phil Sigsworth!!

Onya Ghost you old blue bag.

[Chookies74]

There will be a direct correlation b/w the return of Sean Rudder and the improved form of the Jets

[Guest]

There will be a direct correlation b/w the return of Sean Rudder and the improved form of the Jets

Actually, ever since we signed Foran, we have been on a streak.

[Guest]

Personally, I think of the jets boys, ahern, maori, waqa, foran and maori have futures. Ahern and Waqa we all know have the potential. I think ahern just needs to work on his upper body strength - is a great leader, has great skills and a great work ethic but can be bumped out of tackles easily by the big boys so if he can fix that up he will be dynamic. Waqa i still think has the potential to be anything. Adjusting and a few attitude problems seem to be weighing him down. With carney into 5/8 and smithy at the club i think his attitude will improve and he will get better and faster ball so will be more dangerous. Maori is really impressing me from the jets. He is very strong and fast, hits holes, has great skills and scores tries. He might be a little project for us and could be handy in the backs as we wait for the likes of bliar and moeakiola to come good. I can see him partnering williamson in the centres next year and making up a strong centre pairing. Interesting to see how he develops.

Tuigamala and hauraki show promise but both are probably a little small. Id say those mentioned above have a high the highest chance of success at the top level but tuigamala is very quick and skillful and stronger than many of us think. He is also ironically pretty good under the high ball and has a good leap on him. I dare say its a confidence thing.

[Guest]

you gotta feel for the kids making debut this year. maybe the baptism of fire is good for some of them, we've still had the likes of symnds and jones shine, but some of them probably need to be eased into it a little bit. i dont think it makes them any less of player, they're all different.

[melon....]

Actually, ever since we signed Foran, we have been on a streak.

Isnt Foran the trouble making mate of Pearce?? Id say its time you showed teh same contempt for him as you do for Myles and Mason. I hear the boy is a complete prick.