Enforcement of Ethanol fuel

[Guest]

NSW is going to scrap normal unleaded and replace it with E10. The govt and media are doing my head in with their ignorance on the matter.

Ethanol is about 30-35% less fuel efficient than petrol. That means a 10% blend (E10) will reduce a cars fuel efficiency by about 3-3.5%. Premium 95 (95RON) fuel is about 4% more fuel efficient than normal unleaded (91RON). That means 95Ron will end up being about 7-7.5% more fuel efficient than E10. Given 95Ron is about 7% more expensive than E10, using 95Ron will give you similar cost per mileage than E10, better engine protection (due to higher RON), and more power.


The media focusing their attention on cost shows that they have NFI. They (and the govt) have completely missed the point that we are going to be forced into using a fuel which is less fuel efficient. When motorists eventually work out that 95 Ron gives better mileage, better engine protection, and more power than E10 then we will be back to square one with everyone using 100% unleaded petrol.

[Guest]

or you could ride a bike

[Danish]

not to mention the corrosive factors of E10, as well as the amount of farm land sacrificed to grow sugarcane strictly for ethanol production

[stephenj]

or the fact my car runs on 98 ron only and i always get to pay a premium plus price for that!

[Guest]

Mother****ing Communist Green filth strikes again.

[supermario]

Only in emergenicies will we use E10 in our car...... Thankfully we have not had an emergency !

E10 is a farce. I remember not that many years ago, before the green campaign for E10 petrol, Petrol station owners were being prosecuted for adding ethanol to their tanks (yes i realise that they were adding MORE than 10%), now it is common place and pushed heavily in some places.

Seriously though, if you look hard enough, you can find Reg unleaded cheaper than E10 and some places prem unleaded only 5c/L more expensive. Save yourself some money people, pay a little extra for proper fuel, your engine will love you for it.

[melon....]

I use Premium in the car anyway...but Im not putting premium in the Lawn mower. When Ethanol 10 ****s up my lawn mower, Caltex can buy me a new one.

[Kingbilly]

not to mention the corrosive factors of E10, as well as the amount of farm land sacrificed to grow sugarcane strictly for ethanol production

Thats very silly Danish as those cane growers would not be selling the crop to anyone if they weren't selling it for ethanol.

For me the jury is out, because a lot of the supposed "bad effects" of ethanol mixed fuels are a bunch of crap.
My father who is an industrial chemist was looking into the ethanol industry and basically most the stuff about ruining your engine is propaganda and basically untrue.
The "green" benefits of these fuels were also over exagerated as well.

[Guest]

Mother****ing Communist Green filth strikes again.

lol, I love you righties and your prevelance for blaiming all the worlds ails on the left/communist/green/socialist/blah/blah/blah when it's the bloody right who's actually at fault here.

The whole 10% ethanol legislation came about courtesy of Howard the Coward cosying up to the fossil fuel lobby. Here is the farking microscopic maggot doing it for the fossil fuel lobby again promoting Plimers bullshit. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-1...manual/3728026
And this contiuation of said policy is courtesy of the Barry "Saviour of NSW" O'Farrell and his conservative state government.

Has anyone ever asked why only 10%? If ethanol is good for cars and the environment, why was it only introduced at 10%? Because 10% is an easily sellable number that the stupid public will swallow without much complaint...which they have done hook line and sinker. But watch future governments both state and federal increase the percentage of ethanol allowed in the mix. It'll rise from 10% to 15, then 20 and 25 for no other reason then to allow the fossil fuel industry to extend it's monopoly of their farking foot on our throats.

Chook.

[Guest]

Chook,

You will find that anything more than 10% ethanol dramatically increases the chances of engine damage.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...638364665.html

[Guest]

The renewable fuel revolution died about 5 years ago....along with my smallish investment. Basically startups found that as their product became popular, the feedstock used to blend the fuel became more expensive. At the time palm oil and tallow was king. Prices trebled as they did with corn. In mexico, corn field farms that were previously modest, became playthings of US petroleum companies. The price of tortillas trebled.
Renewable fuels is a threat to food supply. How many forests will be raised so we can drive green cars?

[Guest]

lol@hippies!

[Guest]

Chook,

You will find that anything more than 10% ethanol dramatically increases the chances of engine damage.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...638364665.html

That's probably true dice, but I bet it won't stop the pricks upping the percentage in future years. Mark my words, car manufacturers, who are joined at the hip with the fossil fuel industry, will come out with some magical "catalytic convertor" which will reduce the risk to engines enabling a larger percentage of ethanol to be added to fuel. Peter Brock tried to sell something similar years ago from memory but it turned out to be a dud.

But you watch another of those will be pushed onto the market and hailed as an industry breakthrough and promoted as being great for the environment when in fact it's nothing but a way to extend the monoply as I stated earlier.

Chook.

[chook 56]

Peter Brock tried to sell something similar years ago from memory but it turned out to be a dud.


Chook.

Yeah, the "ioniser" caused a big problem between Holden & Brocky.
It didn't work but he refused to admit it.

[supermario]

That's probably true dice, but I bet it won't stop the pricks upping the percentage in future years. Mark my words, car manufacturers, who are joined at the hip with the fossil fuel industry, will come out with some magical "catalytic convertor" which will reduce the risk to engines enabling a larger percentage of ethanol to be added to fuel. Peter Brock tried to sell something similar years ago from memory but it turned out to be a dud.

But you watch another of those will be pushed onto the market and hailed as an industry breakthrough and promoted as being great for the environment when in fact it's nothing but a way to extend the monoply as I stated earlier.

Chook.

Wasn't it some sort of crystal or magnet thing that Brocky tried to push???

Ethanol is a fraud and will open the door for frauds like FIREPOWER ! Look, if you add this to your engine, it will make it more fuel efficient, powerful and everytime you start the car up an angel gets it's wings !!!