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  • #31
    Originally posted by HunchoRooster View Post

    I'd say I'm scaling it based off their ability, potential before the season and what they are capable of. I'm not a fan of Hutch in our 17 but when called upon I feel like he played above his weight at times, especially at centre. Rads was poor by his lofty standards so gets harshly marked a bit. JWH I am taking inyo account his rarly season form but yeah in hindsight id give him a B.
    Fair enough… it certainly seemed that way in a few cases

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Les Tricolores View Post

      Haha you’re mad Big Salvo… but I always suspected that was the case… you were a great player though lol

      Quantity doesn’t equal quality… particularly when you are statistically the worst player at the club… or is Drew’s talent too sublime to be captured by coarse statistics?

      As I said Trent… much like yourself… has an unhealthy obsession with him and that is my concern. Hutchinson wouldn’t be seeing remotely anywhere as many minutes at any other NRL club… indeed I strongly doubt he would survive for long elsewhere

      No doubt Trent… the ex player… sees something of himself in Hutchinson. There is definitely a resemblance there and Trent… much like Hutchinson… wasn’t a good footballer

      What’s your excuse?
      I think a poster already alluded to the issue of rating players based on a ambiguous and subjective system such as NRL fantasy though.

      Fantasy says it all as it has no resemblance to reality.

      I wouldn't be surprised if Hutch picked up an award at the club presentation night - certainly a favourite of many Roosters supporters especially after the injury he copped last year - Round 9 vs Eels - Broken Ribs and punctured lung and a week or so in Hospital - Managed to play 20 games still though

      https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/news-20...2-a60afd494c90

      I backed Hutchy from the start and one of a very very few on here that did I must admit and was glad the club did the right thing a 2 year contract extension as 2021 was his last year of the contract he was on.

      Robbo played 4 NRL games and Hutch 58 so far and no matter what Robbo would still have played 4 more and Hutchy what number he finishes on more than you

      Never mind stick to your fanstasy league











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      • #33
        Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

        I think a poster already alluded to the issue of rating players based on a ambiguous and subjective system such as NRL fantasy though.

        Fantasy says it all as it has no resemblance to reality.

        I wouldn't be surprised if Hutch picked up an award at the club presentation night - certainly a favourite of many Roosters supporters especially after the injury he copped last year - Round 9 vs Eels - Broken Ribs and punctured lung and a week or so in Hospital - Managed to play 20 games still though

        https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/news-20...2-a60afd494c90

        I backed Hutchy from the start and one of a very very few on here that did I must admit and was glad the club did the right thing a 2 year contract extension as 2021 was his last year of the contract he was on.

        Robbo played 4 NRL games and Hutch 58 so far and no matter what Robbo would still have played 4 more and Hutchy what number he finishes on more than you

        Never mind stick to your fanstasy league

        Interesting… is it a coincidence that Hutchinson had played all of 4 NRL games as well when he met Trent? The plot thickens

        As for fantasy football… weren’t you quoting his fantasy numbers from Sunday the other day? yet now you realise that he is perhaps the worst fantasy player in the NRL you’re telling me fantasy football is ambiguous and has no basis in reality?

        I don’t do fantasy… but it is most definitely a metric based in reality… a metric based on those statistics that coaches equate with performance… those statistics that equate to winning games

        No fool would suggest it is an exact science… indeed a science at all… but only a fool would suggest it has no merit at all

        Here’s an idea… go look up the best fantasy players this year… I’m sure you will find those are the players that everyone… from coaches… to selectors… to fans… consider among the best in the game at their positions

        So don’t argue there is no correlation to reality when there plainly is… it’s very silly

        And no I don’t think Hutchinson is substandard because of his substandard fantasy numbers… he just doesn’t pass the eye test and he never has. Indeed I actually wasn’t aware of his fantasy numbers until you sent them to me the other day… but I certainly wasn’t surprised when they perfectly matched what I already knew

        So as you said… don’t let facts get in the way of good fiction… and don’t worry… I strongly suspect Trent will do his very best… much to our detriment… to find a way to get his and your beloved Drew onto the field next year

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Les Tricolores View Post

          Interesting… is it a coincidence that Hutchinson had played all of 4 NRL games as well when he met Trent? The plot thickens

          As for fantasy football… weren’t you quoting his fantasy numbers from Sunday the other day? yet now you realise that he is perhaps the worst fantasy player in the NRL you’re telling me fantasy football is ambiguous and has no basis in reality?

          I don’t do fantasy… but it is most definitely a metric based in reality… a metric based on those statistics that coaches equate with performance… those statistics that equate to winning games

          No fool would suggest it is an exact science… indeed a science at all… but only a fool would suggest it has no merit at all

          Here’s an idea… go look up the best fantasy players this year… I’m sure you will find those are the players that everyone… from coaches… to selectors… to fans… consider among the best in the game at their positions

          So don’t argue there is no correlation to reality when there plainly is… it’s very silly

          And no I don’t think Hutchinson is substandard because of his substandard fantasy numbers… he just doesn’t pass the eye test and he never has. Indeed I actually wasn’t aware of his fantasy numbers until you sent them to me the other day… but I certainly wasn’t surprised when they perfectly matched what I already knew

          So as you said… don’t let facts get in the way of good fiction… and don’t worry… I strongly suspect Trent will do his very best… much to our detriment… to find a way to get his and your beloved Drew onto the field next year
          I will go by Robbo's opinion as I share the same so time to get behind Hutchy don't you think






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          • #35
            I can't handle another season of Paul Momirovski, he is scared of his own shadow....

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            • #36
              Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

              I think a poster already alluded to the issue of rating players based on a ambiguous and subjective system such as NRL fantasy though.

              Fantasy says it all as it has no resemblance to reality.

              I wouldn't be surprised if Hutch picked up an award at the club presentation night - certainly a favourite of many Roosters supporters especially after the injury he copped last year - Round 9 vs Eels - Broken Ribs and punctured lung and a week or so in Hospital - Managed to play 20 games still though

              https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/news-20...2-a60afd494c90

              I backed Hutchy from the start and one of a very very few on here that did I must admit and was glad the club did the right thing a 2 year contract extension as 2021 was his last year of the contract he was on.

              Robbo played 4 NRL games and Hutch 58 so far and no matter what Robbo would still have played 4 more and Hutchy what number he finishes on more than you

              Never mind stick to your fanstasy league










              I think you & Hutchy should get a room. This is just true love that is unmatched.
              Last edited by Eggspert; 09-14-2022, 10:42 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Les Tricolores View Post

                Interesting… is it a coincidence that Hutchinson had played all of 4 NRL games as well when he met Trent? The plot thickens

                As for fantasy football… weren’t you quoting his fantasy numbers from Sunday the other day? yet now you realise that he is perhaps the worst fantasy player in the NRL you’re telling me fantasy football is ambiguous and has no basis in reality?

                I don’t do fantasy… but it is most definitely a metric based in reality… a metric based on those statistics that coaches equate with performance… those statistics that equate to winning games

                No fool would suggest it is an exact science… indeed a science at all… but only a fool would suggest it has no merit at all

                Here’s an idea… go look up the best fantasy players this year… I’m sure you will find those are the players that everyone… from coaches… to selectors… to fans… consider among the best in the game at their positions

                So don’t argue there is no correlation to reality when there plainly is… it’s very silly

                And no I don’t think Hutchinson is substandard because of his substandard fantasy numbers… he just doesn’t pass the eye test and he never has. Indeed I actually wasn’t aware of his fantasy numbers until you sent them to me the other day… but I certainly wasn’t surprised when they perfectly matched what I already knew

                So as you said… don’t let facts get in the way of good fiction… and don’t worry… I strongly suspect Trent will do his very best… much to our detriment… to find a way to get his and your beloved Drew onto the field next year
                Fantasy is bullsh!t.
                I'd much rather use the VB Hard Earned index as a guide to how good a player is going.
                I can't wait for it to come up around half time.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Eggspert View Post

                  I think you & Hutchy should get a room. This is just true love that is unmatched.
                  Just supporting a Chooks player who gets the rough end of the pineapple from a few on here despite playing all 25 games this season - ditto N Butcher/Momirovski/Keary/ Watson/Baker/Sitili and even Robbo as coach for instance all targets for these so called supporters

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Rooster90 View Post
                    I can't handle another season of Paul Momirovski, he is scared of his own shadow....
                    I got lambasted 12 months ago for saying that Paul Momirovski and Kevin Naiqama were bad signings and they both were. Jaxon Paulo is another crap signing.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

                      Just supporting a Chooks player who gets the rough end of the pineapple from a few on here despite playing all 25 games this season - ditto N Butcher/Momirovski/Keary/ Watson/Baker/Sitili and even Robbo as coach for instance all targets for these so called supporters
                      I actually like Hutch also & have defended him & believe he has a place but not in the centres in a finals game.

                      I believe Robbo is fair game now & open to criticism. Below average season & questions need to be asked.

                      Last year's almost reserve team went deeper into the finals than this years one. The first 5 games next year are going to be interesting.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by SamKerrSimp View Post

                        I got lambasted 12 months ago for saying that Paul Momirovski and Kevin Naiqama were bad signings and they both were. Jaxon Paulo is another crap signing.
                        I don't see how Paul Momirovski was a bad signing when he played over 20 games for a team in Penrith that won the comp in 2021. You don't play those number of games for starters if he wasn't at that level as a player irrespective of how Penrith were going.

                        Kevin Naiqama was a left field signing as he had "retired" so one would say it was purely a squad depth signing decision.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Eggspert View Post

                          I actually like Hutch also & have defended him & believe he has a place but not in the centres in a finals game.

                          I believe Robbo is fair game now & open to criticism. Below average season & questions need to be asked.

                          Last year's almost reserve team went deeper into the finals than this years one. The first 5 games next year are going to be interesting.
                          Robbo will be coaching for as long as wants to coach.

                          People had high expectations and maybe unreasonable ones as the Roosters did have the second hardest draw so that in itself was going to be a challenge not withstanding they had a fair amount of ground to make up on the top 3 from last year. Storm (32) and Souths (3) were not as dominant this season as last but Penrith (42) were and are still a level or 2 above the others ( the benchmark) and the team to beat.

                          A number of teams also improved this season and some significantly such as the Sharks (38) /Cowboys(36) /Raiders(30)/ Broncos(28)/ Dragons(26) for instance.

                          I don't think you can compare last years season to this season as basically there were a lot of teams making up the numbers in last years comp and this years comp was easily far more competitive than the comp in 2021.

                          The top 3 last year in Storm (44) / Penrith (44) / Souths (42) were way in front of the others and the Titans finished 8th on 22 points despite only winning 10 games- 8th place this season was Canberra on 30 points.

                          If winning the comp is the criteria for a successful season then it would be deemed a below average/unsuccessful season as they didn't.

                          Making the finals does mean it was a successful season although the question will be asked could it have been more successful

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                          • #43
                            1. Tedesco
                            2. Tupou
                            3. Suaalii (I would like to see him move to wing on 5th, just because of his aerial threat)
                            4. Manu (last year I reckon at 4. I think Keary will either get medically retired or asked to move on to clear cap space)
                            5. Paulo (big and strong. Played well against us. I reckon tons of untapped potential which Robbo will get out of him)
                            6. Keary
                            7. Walker
                            8. JWH (someone else I reckon who might retire end of 2023. If not, we'll probably start rolling out the 1 year contracts)
                            9. Cheese (gonna be huge for us. Also, I dont get how people call him a dhead for sniffing some lines. That's just silly to do as a pro player, doesn't make him a dhead)
                            10. Lodge (gee I hope he re sign. Absolutely tremendous back end of the year)
                            11. Crichton (fantastic as well back end of the year. We sorely lacked his penetration and hard running lines when he went off. Egan Butcher doesn't touch this guy.)
                            12. Nat Butcher (could be a smoky for the world cup if Hudson Young and Shaun Lane are being considered.
                            13. Radley (I tell you what, this guy needs to pull his head in. We play so much better when he's on the field, but he never is cause of suspension and yellows.)
                            14. Watson (great when moved to lock rotation)
                            15. Sitili (will be so much more devastating running at tired legs)
                            16. Lindsay (damaging front row with JWH and Lodgey hopefully)
                            17. Tuku Hau Tapuha (i know this is controversial but this guy is very clearly talented. However he's also going to be fielding offers from other teams soon. Personally think he can offer through his size, speed and power much more than Egan Butcher, who would be 18th man with Hutcho at 19th)

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

                              Robbo will be coaching for as long as wants to coach.

                              People had high expectations and maybe unreasonable ones as the Roosters did have the second hardest draw so that in itself was going to be a challenge not withstanding they had a fair amount of ground to make up on the top 3 from last year. Storm (32) and Souths (3) were not as dominant this season as last but Penrith (42) were and are still a level or 2 above the others ( the benchmark) and the team to beat.

                              A number of teams also improved this season and some significantly such as the Sharks (38) /Cowboys(36) /Raiders(30)/ Broncos(28)/ Dragons(26) for instance.

                              I don't think you can compare last years season to this season as basically there were a lot of teams making up the numbers in last years comp and this years comp was easily far more competitive than the comp in 2021.

                              The top 3 last year in Storm (44) / Penrith (44) / Souths (42) were way in front of the others and the Titans finished 8th on 22 points despite only winning 10 games- 8th place this season was Canberra on 30 points.

                              If winning the comp is the criteria for a successful season then it would be deemed a below average/unsuccessful season as they didn't.

                              Making the finals does mean it was a successful season although the question will be asked could it have been more successful
                              No Robbo won't be coaching for as long as he wants.

                              He will be based on his results like everyone else. He has gathered enough credit for 3 GF's in 7yrs but the last 3yrs of not even making a preliminary final is eating those credits up.

                              He can't hang around in some comfort zone without better results in the future especially with the playing talent we have.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by SamKerrSimp View Post
                                Jaxon Paulo is shite and if he’s playing regularly we are in deep crap he is a north Sydney bears signing. JWH has been one of our best players for the last 3 years anyone who thinks he is a C rating doesn’t understand the game enough and it’s laughable to put Lindsay Collins on par with JWH this year Collins is never missed when he isn’t playing but the team can barely stay in the game when JWH is off and can barely win when he isn’t playing at all.
                                Totally agree with those comments on JWH.

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